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You people need to lay off the cops

Geez, you want to hand the election over to someone else, all of you coming on here with all this "Oh God, we're in a police state, we're not safe anywhere!!", you all sound like the nutcases everyone is trying to paint RP supporter's as. You show some hand-picked vid's of a small amount of police doing something wrong and try to brand the entire police force that way, and in alot of these "bad police" videos you people are intentionally going out and provoking the police and trying to get arrested, thanks for wasting the police department's time and your fellow taxpayer's money. There are bad cop's sure, anyone know's that, but how many people are killed/mistreated everyday by citizens in all walks of life. I just saw a story on the news last night about a truck driver who shot a fellow motorist that "cut him off on purpose" - oh no, guess we should all run and hide from truck driver's now right?

How can any of you call yourselves RP supporter's and lover's of freedom then turn around and brand an entire group of people based on what a few of those people have done, and for the record, I'm not a cop, in fact I was even falsely accussed of rape 9yrs ago, had nice time getting handcuffed, thrown in jail, ton of money on a lawyer for something I didn't even do, if anyone has a reason to hate the system it'd be me, but I blame those idividual's who were wrong, not every cop everywhere.

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SOME ARE JUST

more brainwashed than others. I must say, I work for a sheriff's office, and they are all pretty awesome, laid-back guys not out to "get" anyone! There are just as many working for the "police state" that are disgusted by its laws and would like to see them changed. I know one personally who is using his status as an officer to help him get elected to city council in his town. He has the very same ideals as we all do, and shouldn't be grouped together with others whom might wear the same uniform, but wear it differently. That being said, I do, unfortunately know several others who look at the laws as their "power source" and are on the extreme end as the others I work with. You kow what the laid-back guys call them?....not appropriate here... :)

I know it's hard, but don't make it personal. The establishment brainwashes people, go after the establishment to change the ways of the people...REMEMBER, Ron Paul advocates against looking at people in groups....The "police state" as a way of political blunder and the people that advocate it, is very different from "the police". Remember this.

ln

woops

This is the type actions that are becoming ever more prevalent and so indicative of a true police state. So, is the argument about good and bad cops or are we good with a police state, period. http://rense.com/general94/warrants.htm

Who fears who?

When the people fear the police there is tyranny.

When the police (gov't) fears the people there is Liberty.

Who fears who now??

A poll would surely reveal we have tyranny in this here United States.

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a rEVOLution before tomorrow morning." - Henry Ford

unfortunately...

Men aren't angels, and so a monopoly on violence should be given to NO man! The position IS the problem, the police have gone from being peace officers to law enforcement, however the rule of law has become increasingly more nonsensical. When the majority of prisoners are in government pens and being assaulted in their homes for NON violent activities that harm no one we need to reassess the goons willing to pursue the soveirgn at the behest of crooked politicians. I'll lay off cops when they work for the people again

In Liberty,

Luis

Ron Paul garnered the most money from Cops in 2008

more than all other candidates combined.

There are 1,000,000 cops.

1,000,000 potential voters

1,000,000 potential Oath Keepers

There's a glass it has liquid in it.....

....something about babies and bathwater

Never [phrase] horse [in the] mouth

Good point

Good point

nice BBQ, huh?

Here is an example of the "good" cops standing against the bad by throwing a BBQ for his benefit (satire). Now would they do the same for one of the lowly surfs? ---http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2xCeHRL-yA

Yes, how horrible for some

Yes, how horrible for some people to raise money to defend a friend they believe to be innocent.

Enough!

You, you statist punk (HitchRK), wish to allow the Federal MJTF to take over all aspects of our once-independent coalition of FREE STATES, by assuming that posts regarding the abuses of these federally-led 'people' are not worthy of recrimination ('I was just following orders').

I suppose that you are still of the mindset that allows the USAPATRIOT to rape the states with their DHS and TSA edicts.

Why don't you just go ahead and support Mitt Romney, Sarah Palin, or John (SONGBIRD) McCain, while you spout off about your 'not all nazis are BAD nazis' diatribe?

C'mon, you statist punk, how about DEFENDING the abuses that have been brought to light?
It's O.K., they just SHOT another 2-term IEAQ VETERAN 68 times, in a 'mistaken address' raid, looking for POT (in the good old USA)!
C'mon, PUNK, tell everyone how this differs from a JDAM falling in a village, eradicating a WEDDING PARTY that was 'mistaken' to be an 'AL-QAEDA' stronghold in Afghanistan.
C'mon, troll ALINSKY, tell me to LAY OFF.

If all Nazis are bad, then

If all Nazis are bad, then the Pope is bad.

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

once they lay off of us, well

once they lay off of us, well lay off them very simple. they have no problem taze-ing people and framing the victim. we owe it to anyone whose been threatened and treated wrongly by cops to be just as relentless on our pursuit to bring them to justice, as they are to incriminate people at any cost they're business is to oppress thats how they cash out that needs to change.

once they lay off of us, well

once they lay off of us, well lay off them very simple. they have no problem taze-ing people and framing the victim. we owe it to anyone whose been threatened and treated wrongly by cops to be just as relentless on our pursuit to bring them to justice, as they are to incriminate people at any cost they're business is to oppress thats how they cash out that needs to change.

It would save some money

!

When...

When police officers VEHEMENTLY start policing their ranks and VOCALLY begin to demand that those that are out-of-control are truly brought to justice... then and only then will I not consider them "Pigs".

So when police officers become "better than" 99% of American

civilians in their quest for perfection, individualism, and liberty THEN "you" will give a nod?

Cops did not sign up to be "better than" other people -- most of them signed up to (literally) "protect and serve" and at the beginning of their career it was 100% pro-constitution.

This is why MORE COPS gave money to Ron Paul (in 2008) then all other candidates combined.

Maybe if getting RP elected is the goal thinking of the 1,000,000 cops as "potential RP voters and potential Oathkeepers" is a better model.

As a logical un-emotional "aside"

It's understandable

You eat only because you lay at their feet. They provide your income.

In case you haven't noticed, when the lowly peasants commit crimes, other lowly peasants decry the crime - and request justice. I don't see the silence in reaction to crimes - except in the ganglands.

You'd probably notice if you weren't licking their boots.
The OP as well, as he's just a Pig wannabe - hanging with his homies.

Brother, please! You absolutely know that the mentality is to keep their trappers shut when it comes to wrongdoing in their ranks.

Other than LEAP, please show me an instance of a Kop speaking out against the Pigs.
Good luck with that.

Cops (exist) because of individual abdication of

consumer-sovereignty.

Meaning Cops come from consumers (their mamas and papas).

When people refuse to "rule" through consumption and would rather "rule" (faux-rule) via the Voting process they abdicate their true power and thus there becomes a need to have "laws" and those who'd risk their lives to enforce them.

You are an absolutist so there is no real way to argue the totality of your reasoning.

I do not get paid for training cops -- it is 90% voluntary and the rest is paid by non-police / non-gov't sources #1

I am a "coach" which means I whip them in shape -- I do not hold hands with them and if there are any issues regarding ethics I feel need addressed I do; however, where we live our Cops are AWESOME -- there are few complaints. We live in a county of 300,000 people too #2

When individuals decide to get into "self-defense" and demand that police be paid locally (ONLY) -- then we'll have the free-market police force you want.

Most cops want free-markets and they DO NOT want drug laws.

I believe that even the four

I believe that even the four legged pig's are now offended that we have applied thier name as we have!

There was a time when they were proud of it?

The cops need to lay off us

people

Leges sine moribus vanae

I believe it would be more

I believe it would be more accurate to say the various legislatures need to lay off us people.

Right. They are only following orders

Without him Caesar would have stood alone,
He's the one who gives his body
As a weapon of the war,
And without him all this killing can't go on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGWsGyNsw00

Leges sine moribus vanae

I've always said following

I've always said following orders is no excuse for committing atrocities. Perhaps when we finally adopt a society that appreciates the merits of honor, the spineless cowards among us will no longer use this, or anything else, as an excuse.

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Solution: Get the Feds OUT of local police 100%

Locally controlled police forces is a bedrock principle of liberty. Most all of the unconstitutional police actions we see are generated by a federal program or federal funding.
The fix is to work local and eschew federal funding. Granted, the political mind-set is not conducive, but we have to try to educate local politicians what is going on.

Undo what Wilson did

I think you have hit the key

that could change our tune, "Get the Feds OUT of local police 100%"

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I believe, Fireant is on the

I believe, Fireant is on the right track of thinking! This thread is a good one for finding leaders for the project.

You sound like the nutcase,

You sound like the nutcase, right now. Cops are going on a rampage, every week I hear about some story involving a cop... They are either busting into homes of innocent people blowing away everyone inside, shooting people to death on the street, beating people up in restraunts and bars, searching without warrants, mistreating people at the jail, etc. Litteraly every week for years, I've been watching this for a long time.

There are many, many people who are talking about the police in pirvate - this is not an unpopular issue.

"every week I hear about some

"every week I hear about some story involving a cop."

And every week you hear about Ron Paul wanting to destroy our military and put our kids on heroin. You would think that people experienced in the lies and manipulation of the media could look a little deeper.

Member for 1 day and 22 hours

Member for 1 day and 22 hours. Paid Blogger for the RNC. Mods, please remove this traitor.

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Bzzzt, WRONG! Thanks for

Bzzzt, WRONG! Thanks for playing, try again, lol.

Nope I have been a reader here for a long time and member for about a year. I forgot my last password and for some reason when I request a new password one is not sent so I created a new account. I volunteered in Paul's last presidential campaign. Just because I don't hold the same views as you doesn't make me a RNC plant and definitely not a traitor. My comment was merely pointing out that the MSM lies and distorts which is something everyone on this site knows for a fact.

edit* My first sentence wasn't meant to sound a taunting as it does. I guess the "lol" should be in caps :)