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Sen. Rand Paul Questions Invasive TSA Searches 06/22/2011

Sen. Paul spoke at a full committee hearing of the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee regarding invasive TSA searches.


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"The two weakest arguments for any issue on the House floor are moral and constitutional"
Ron Paul

As I see it, the mission is to systematically duplicate

totalitarian regimes, where travel IS restricted, where people are undressed and subjected to humiliating treatment to break down their sense of dignity and make them fearful.

It's all part of a grand psy-op.

Rand did a good job here, but he missed the mark. We all know that the TSA isn't really about finding terrorists. It's about keeping people under the government's heel, and afraid. It's about making money for Rape-scan. I'd like to see this zombie Pistole faced down with questions about what is REALLY going on.

Thank You Rand Paul!!!!

Rand Paul filibustered the Congress and forced a vote on two amendments to the Patriot Act. Rand Paul is standing up for our civil rights. He walks a fine line to maintain credibility because most of the people in the United States are asleep at the wheel and still think the incredible violation of our civil rights by an out of control government is a fringe idea or conspiracy theory.


I sincerely from my heart thank you for the stand you are taking in defense of My Life and My Liberty.

Please keep on making civil rights a front and center issue in our Congress.

People we need to do what we can to direct others to these issues being seriously discussed by our Congress in a manner that does not threaten them. We need to wake people up not frighten them away before we all lose.

This Guy Pistole Is Just A Low level Lap Dog..He Does What Hes

Told..Your Wasting Your Time being Diplomatic With This Creature From hell. We Don't need A TSA period!!

when I first saw Pistole, his

when I first saw Pistole, his looks reminded me of Reinhard Heydrich who was the Deputy Protector of Bohemia and Moravia for Hitler

Rand is so dang squishy on

Rand is so dang squishy on this issue and it's so hard listening to him trying to sound "reasonable," suggesting we should go ahead and continue this BLATANT violation of the 4th amendment, just with more profiling. It's shameful and I wish his dad would set him straight on this. Rand's position on the TSA seems more in line with Hannity's than with the Constitution.

I thought Rand's language and

I thought Rand's language and tone was clear, disapproving, articulate and indicated immediate change was needed.

or maybe you're just not smart enough to read between the lines

others have summarized to save the load on your brain's behalf. read below.

To tell you the truth, I didn't even notice TSA

I haven't been on a flight since 2000, but I had to fly last week to see my mother, an emergency.

I was scared to death of TSA. I read their rules and packed according to "the rules." I had to get on that flight to see my mother.

Now I do not approve of TSA and think the agency should be eliminated, but I did not even notice them. They didn't stop anyone. They just looked like a bunch of clueless security guards who didn't know what they were doing.

We did have to take off our shoes and put them in a box to go through the machine, but that was it.

Your point?

It's impossible, unless you have millions of TSA employees to grope the millions of travelers.

It's not a 1:1 ratio.

Hope you didn't get athletes foot!

One final note, I'm sure you're not arguing FOR violation of our rights by the TSA because you had an easy time, which of course begs the question, what is the purpose of your post?

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a rEVOLution before tomorrow morning." - Henry Ford

There was no real point

I quit flying because I am anti TSA. I'm protesting with my wallet.

I just quit flying when TSA came into the picture, and this was just an emergency with my mother and I doubt if I will fly again.

It's just that except for the shoe thing, I didn't even notice they were there. I was expecting a lot worse.

My feet did get cold, but it was pretty clean there and my socks did not get dirty.

They will get you when you

They will get you when you aren't expecting it and are most inconvenienced.

No they won't

I don't fly. This was the first time since 2000, and it was an emergency.

And I'm not flying again. I'll figure out something else if there is a next time I need to travel. I usually just drive, and I will do that if I need to travel.

I prefer not to travel. (Weird, I know.)

Like I said above, these are clueless security guards.

How lame this TSA guy sounds

How lame this TSA guy sounds

Total puppet

government lackey.

Our tax money at work.

TSA and Ran Paul the Controller

I am surprised so few of you picked this up. Rand Paul does not have a problem with the concept of a TSA. No, he just doesn't like the way they do things. Abuse comes, my friends from an abuse of authority. There is no authority in the Constitution for the molesters at the TSA period.

Mike Benoit

Actually he was saying that it may not be necessary to have...

....An agency such as this around at all. That perhaps the Federal Government doesn't need to be sticking its nose in everyone's business.

He implied that we could simply do without a TSA, if more people at the airlines took over this responsibility themselves as we ought to be doing. We might not have such fraud.

More than refreshing was to hear all the Republicans starting to agree with him...and drop the rhetoric that Lindsay Graham always employs.


he said more responsibility should be turned to the airline and he tried to imply that no matter how long it takes, a government agency will never do anything properly.. note how he kept emphasizing that agencies had promised to do better for decades and maybe it's simply 'police work' such as checking visas hence police can already handle all of these (implying there is no need for TSA) and they shouldn't be involved at all.. can't believe i need to reiterate what he just said. i am not adding anything.. this all came from him but apparently it ALL fell to your deaf ears

you didn't fail to pick up.. you just picked up the wrong thing totally.

I don't think you appreciate

I don't think you appreciate the nuanced rhetoric Rand was employing. I am amazed at the speed with which he has become so adept in D.C. politics. He must have read Sun Tsu.
I thought he was very clear about his likes and dislikes. He even broached the subject of a private sector alternative at the end; to which Mr. Pistole looked positively distressed to hear.

Rand and Ron are very wise. I believe the evidence speaks to that fact louder than words ever could.

"The United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that." — Alan Greenspan

TSA molestation story from 11/07/2010 (long but worth reading)

November 7, 2010 5:00 A.M. Indianapolis International Airport

Bright and early Sunday morning, returning to Hollywood, Florida after my interview at the Indiana University School of Dentistry, I was waiting in line at the airport security in order to catch my Airtran flight when I became the latest victim of sexual assault by US government TSA agents.

As soon as I entered the airport security line I knew I was in a very troubling situation. The Indianapolis International Airport was not busy, and it is not an exaggeration to say that the TSA agents nearly outnumbered civilian passengers. Most disturbingly, every single person in line was being forced through the millimeter wave scanners. To those unfamiliar with these devices, it uses extremely high frequency radio waves in order to penetrate the layers of clothing on your body and produce a completely naked image of your body. I spent my spring semester senior of college studying Nuclear and Particle Physics at DePauw University and my last year earning my Master's degree in the Biomedical Sciences. I am far from ignorant to the biological effects of radiation. No government pseudoscience propaganda is going to convince me that the sierverts absorbed by the body due to the millimeter wave scanners is not causing damage to our DNA and increasing our risk of cancer. This dose of radiation is, of course, in addition to the already perverted image they are taking of your naked body.

While in the airport security line I decided to engage in conversation with the male passenger next to me. I asked him "Are you going to let them force you through the naked body scanner?" He said "yes of course, these agents are doing a great job of protecting us from terrorists." I immediately diagnosed this man as a moron and decided that he was not worth speaking to, so I turned away from him.

As always, I was very compliant, polite, and orderly while going through the airport security. I removed my laptop, my shoes, hoodie, and my belt and waited patiently for my turn. Under my hoodie I was wearing my favorite t-shirt, my "Don't Tread on Me" Gadsden flag shirt. I always wear the shirt when I fly as a symbolic deterrence to oppressive government agents. Unfortunately, my reminder that "I am an American" failed to prevent government agents from fondling my genitals.

As I was waiting for my turn to walk through the metal detector, I watched in horror as a frail and shaky old woman was forced to struggle out of her wheelchair and walk the 12 feet or so through the detector. After she finally made it through the detector, they made her stand longer as they frisked her before finally allowing her to return to her wheelchair. When my turn came, I calmly walked through the metal detector, which of course remained silent. Regardless of passing this security test, the agent told me to go through the millimeter wave scanner. I said "I'm not going through the naked body scanner."

He then announced to the entire security wing, "WE HAVE AN OPT OUT!" Another agent then yelled "WE HAVE AN OPT OUT!" I raised my hand and said "Yes, I am opting out of the naked body scanner." The agents escorted to another area of security and informed me that I have the right to opt out of the naked body scanner but then I must undergo a thorough full body pat down. I said "you can pat down 98% of my body, but you are not touching my genitals." The agents informed me that I had no choice, and that if I wanted to fly that they could frisk me anyplace they deemed necessary. I told them that I wanted to talk to their supervisor.

The supervisor came out. She was a grizzly woman named Lisa Scott. The first thing she said to me was "You smell like shit. Have you been drinking?" I replied that "yes, I had some beers the night before. But why does that matter? I'm 24 years old. Plus I'm being very calm and cooperative."

She told me that "I could have you arrested right now." I replied that she has no reason to arrest me, I am a model citizen and I could not possibly be any calmer or any more non-threatening. She said that I still had to go through the pat-down. I told her I agree to be patted down, but I repeated that "I don't want my genitals touched." I said that I am a law abiding American citizen and I have my God-given 4th amendment right to not be sexually fondled"

She and the other agents then told me that I don't have the right to fly through this airport. I told her that "I'm not wealthy enough to afford a private jet, so I have no choice but to fly through here." The agents then rudely told me that I can "take the bus." I quickly responded with "I have to be at work tomorrow morning, I don't have time to take a bus. Plus, when is this going to stop?! A bus is very similar to a plane. When are there going to be mandatory naked body scanners at bus stations?"

The agents then attempted to reassure me about the genital pat down by saying that it would be down by male officers. I said "but what if they are gay?" An agent asked "Why, are you gay?" I replied "Why does that matter?"

Lisa Scott then had me escorted away by a police officer. The officer attempted to talk me into just going through procedure and that "he does it every day." I said, "you allow other grown men to fondle your genitals every day?" He awkwardly said yes. He was clearly lying.

Needless to say, I missed my plane. The Airtran employees told me that there was nothing that they could do, and the TSA "runs the airport." They gave me the Airtran number to call. After waiting for Airtran to open, they were gracious enough to reimburse my ticket. That was the only good news I had all day.

Unfortunately, I still needed to get to Miami to go to work. After speaking with everyone I could, I realized I had no choice but buy another ticket and submit to either a dose of radiation or sexual molestation. When I went back to Airtran, the Airtran employee informed me that the TSA agents had briefed her on my situation and that I could not fly with Airtran that day. She said she sympathized with my situation, but there was nothing she or I could do.

I had to buy a Southwestern ticket for $350, wait half a day, and submit to security. When it came to my turn at security, the agent addressed me by "Mark" and directed to the naked body scanner. Once again I refused to go through it, and the situation started all over again.

The supervisor, Lisa Scott, again came up to me and said "I see you got some coffee, but you still smell like shit." I ignored her and asked "So who is going to be fondling me?" A male agent replied that he was. I turned around to Lisa Scott and told her "I would really prefer that you are the one who gropes me. I would be much more comfortable with a woman like you." She told me that "you would love that, but that's NOT going to happen." She then told me to act like a "grown man and follow procedure." I asked her "Since when is letting complete strangers fondle my genitals acting like a grown man?"

I followed the agents into a backroom, and the full-frontal pat down commenced. Two male agents stood and smirked and watched while a third agent gave me what amounted to approximately ten-minute molestation. I want whoever is reading this to please picture a clean-cut, polite American student of medicine wearing a "Don't Tread On Me" shirt standing helpless while three perverted government agents groped my entire body, including my genitals. Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson are undoubtedly turning in their graves.

Apparently the TSA thinks that verbally warning me about where they grope me is justification for the action. The fact that the agent announced that he was going to feel my crotch did not justify him actually doing it. Twice. I would like to add that in addition to rubbing my penis and testicles, the agent pinched my inner thigh, underneath my testicles, with enough force that I literally jumped. The whole experience was very humiliating.

After the molestation, the supervisor was waiting near the terminal for me. She rudely said "Have a nice flight, Mark!" I replied, "Is there a place I can go smoke a cigarette after the sex I just had?" She glared at me and said "no."

The TSA has also removed the right to smoke anywhere near the airport.

Was this the end of the saga, now that I made it through security? Not quite. A Southwestern employee, who was aware of the situation, came up to me while I was waiting at the terminal and informed that the agents were still watching me and that would "probably search you again before you board your plane." I thanked her for the warning. Later, when I went into the bathroom to brush my teeth, and agent followed me into the bathroom to keep an eye on me. Eventually I finally boarded me plane, and I was surprised the agents did not search me again.

I ask everyone who reads this to please don't tolerate these civil rights atrocities. In nearly 10 years of existence, these obscene procedures have NOT stopped one single terrorist attack. The organization is about controlling innocent civilians, not about protecting them. Please do your research and find out for yourself.

Thanks for reading about my saga, and keep an eye out for the sake of your family and your countrymen.


Mark Lundgren

What if ?

You had called the local county Sheriff and asked him to back you up in your rights?

The sheriff has final authority in his county. Either he would side with the Constitution or he wouldn't.

Then you could honestly say you did everything you could, and possibly won a key convert (the local county sheriff) to the cause of Liberty, or at least educated him.

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a rEVOLution before tomorrow morning." - Henry Ford

In retrospect that would have been the right play.

Keep in mind this was 8 months ago and before the "don't touch my junk guy" and the Texas TSA revolt. I really didn't know what my options were.

Plus I was completely alone in an unfamiliar city with hardly any money to fall back on. I didn't even have enough money to hire a lawyer.

I wasn't telling the story as a model for what to do. I was just sharing my experience with the DP community, for good or bad.

nice cave in

Nice cave in.

Mike Benoit

I had to cave in.

I literally had no alternative if I wanted to keep my job. Civil disobedience is pretty damn difficult when your major source of income is at stake.

From statists, sheep, and tyrants

come all sorts of nasty results.
If you want an organization that fights all sorts of statism, and is on top of this TSA issue as well, here they are:
they have had some victories, (albeit not in this area yet)

They will give you an easy way to contact all of your Congressmen, I highly recommend them.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

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Precious nugget, LL! Many thanks.

Rand said TSA's random deep pat-down is "PC, universal giving up of our freedom. Universal insult" to us.

Yes! Exactly.

Must see TV. Thanks for posting.

It was so great to hear Rand make him (sort of) answer for those specific victims of TSA abuse, especially the ones in his district. He made excellent points. He's a master. But I would have liked to hear him call it "abuse", not just stupidity. Because first and foremost it is abuse.

Finally! Someone takes them

Finally! Someone takes them to task in Congress - that was great to behold. I hope that mobilizes the public even further against these outrageous TSSA abuses.

I realize Rand has to be reasonable. However,...

TSA has to go before someone takes the law into his own hands about this outrageous conduct.

precisely the reason i will not fly.

the tsa is my line in the sand. i refuse to enter their airports. should they decide to venture out from there, eliminating my choice to interact with them, i will be left with no choice but to defend myself.

"The two weakest arguments for any issue on the House floor are moral and constitutional"
Ron Paul