Oh For Frigg's Sakes They Finally Throw The Gauntlet!!

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CNN Has been trying for a long time

Every Interview Ending with ... Are you going to Run as an Independent...

Since Ron Paul wouldn't say outright now (he has in the past...and they kept flippin asking him)... they're running an article

Ron Paul Won't Rule Out Independent Bid...

I'm right miffed right now chaps

link: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-talk/2007/12/post_6.html

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let him run as an

let him run as an independent if the repubs wont do the smart thing. ill donate to that cause and if he gets a couple of percent and "spoils" the election for one of the other parties than too freaking bad for them. i wont vote for one douche to prevent another douche from winning. . . no to president douchebag(s). YES to Ron Paul !

independent

How does that hurt Ron Paul? I know it hurts him because they Keep asking that question, it has been asked a 100 times.

Why do they ask that? How does that hurt us?

Because

it falsely portrays him as something other than Republican, when in fact he's pure Republican (not to be confused with neocon)

oh the fickle voters....

first of all....those undecided republicans won't go for a Ron Paul as the republican cuz they think it will be a wasted vote. The undecided Dems wont switch to vote for him cuz the same reason...then the independent undecided, well some will and some wont....at least that is what the OM seems to be trying to do. Also, after reading that and the Huckabee thing at the end...it seems that ole Huck is trying to get the Paul people...by now being anti-bush foreign policy and 'all inclusive' and 'changing' the republican party to do so. Odd...this is their best set of tactics yet.
-discredit Paul (finally a decent try that dummies will believe)
-make Paul seem the outsider for sure (3rd party crap...)
-get those votes to Huck

Good try...but it is too little to late.
Ron Paul already has the support he needs to win.

Lets GO! Can I vote already!!!

"Vote for Paul if you want it all! Goodbye taxes! Goodbye big bro! Hello all my money! Oh! There you are freedom! What?! You have maryjane!?! Oh, wait, everything is fine now...the Doc saved America!"

I read the article

And tried to view it objectively. This is supposed to be a hit piece, I know...but reading it, I would not be so turned off on a number of these points. What they think is harmful to Dr. No would actually be viewed by many as reasons to vote. I mean, can you honestly believe that slavery would have "lingered on" for 100 years into the 1960's? Its utterly ridiculous. The political pressure from other countries alone would have forced America's hand. This is all of course if you really believe that the Civil War was all about slavery anyway! The war was about secession and economy. President Lincoln would have gladly allowed slavery to continue if it would have prevented the south from seceding. I totally agree with Paul's earmarks...the money is there and it is going to be spent...it would be unfair for Paul's district to not get any of it just because Paul votes against the bill. They want to condemn Paul because he isn't all or nothing in 100% of his views...well gee, tell me what candidate is! Even while misrepresenting Paul he STILL looks good. If he doesn't win the Republican nomination, I EXPECT him to run. And if he won't voluntarily, I will circulate a petition to get him on the ballot in my state and he will be a candidate regardless of whether or not he wants to.

Yes, you're right about Civil War history

And I'm always surprised about the ignorance of Americans. They usually think that the Civil War was "to free the slaves", when that was a political calculation made years after tens of thousands had died. Lincoln did it primarily to inject a moral justification for an immoral war whose primary purpose was to try to prevent people who had freely joined a union to freely leave it. Even as a political calculation, Lincoln did not free "the slaves". The Eman Proc freed only slaves in the seceding States, not in the Union states.

The moral thing to do would have been what Ron Paul suggested, which was to buy the slaves and free them and some abolitionist groups were doing that.

The moral thing to do would have been to use economic pressure to free the slaves and some abolitionist groups were doing that.

The moral thing to do would have been, having won the war, Lincoln could have freed the slaves, and then freed the South to do whatever they wanted, including seceding.

If the South had freed all the slaves and then had seceded, Lincoln would have still attacked. He personally wanted slavery ended, but he did not think it politically possible. What he did not want was for States to be able to leave the Union, even if their people decided that the Union no longer represented them. He was willing to extend Tyranny, and was not as concerned about reducing Slavery.

But Americans believe that the Civil War was fought to free the slaves (and was not a political expedient afterthought). They believe that the Civil War was necessary because the slaves could never have been freed otherwise. And they never think about the real underlying issue -- when can a free people leave their government because they believe the government no longer represents them.

Lincoln represents to me Tyranny, not Freedom. "Government of the people, by the people, and for the people" did "perish from the earth" with his immoral war.

But this is a losing argument!

People "know what they know", because it was indoctrinated into them from elementary school. And the government schools have enobled the Civil War to a degree that saying that 100,000 men need not have been slaughtered is considered heresy.

The big question for the campaign is why let this be discussed at all. If they want to review history of 130 years ago, there is another forum for that. We're talking about increasing freedom today.

I wish Ron would focus on his message and leave off the disabusing of historical ignorance. That's not his job.

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Misinformation

They are all going with this misinformation! Yes I agree, press conference is needed.

And this creep says online support doesn't count? Say what?

''If Paul were such a candidate who truly had wide appeal he would be where Mike Huckabee is right now,'' Wilkes University political science professor Tom Baldino said, referring to the former Arkansas governor and GOP candidate, whose poll numbers have jumped dramatically in recent weeks. ''That fact that his constituency is online isn't going to get him very far.''

http://www.mcall.com/news/local/all-ron_paul-a.6198063dec24,...

The campaign needs to call a press conference!

The news has set the stage now take the opportunity and knock it down!

Shut the door on the third party: Say for the last time. No third party run.

Educate the public on the Issues. Demonstrate how the system works.

The civil War: It's the past, nothing can be done about what happen, but we can learn from our mistakes. And no, Ron Paul wasn't there!

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Problem

The problem with that is that he doesn't want to be called a lier if he runs 3rd party. If RP doesn't win the nom, you can be sure he won't let down the millions of people and dollars he has. The issue isn't "putting it to rest," it should be explaining the goal. You cross that bridge when you come to it. The goal now is winning the republican nom, nothing else. All questions of a 3rd party run are inconsequential because the opportunity isn't even there yet. It's rather obvious that he wants to keep his options open. All he needs to do is say, "I have no intention...I'm running for the republican nomination now and that's all I'm thinking about." A press conference will never happen because Paul will almost certainly run 3rd party if he doesn't get the nom. It shouldn't be an issue, since he's currently running as a republican, but the media can't stay away.

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99.9% sure

I guess thats not sure.
I am 99.9% sure that If I jump off a four story bldg I am gonna get hurt but you just never know.

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Minimal loss compared to the exposure

For those of us who know Ron Paul, the negative press urges us to do more to advance the truth. To those that don't know Ron Paul, it can open their eyes, and if they're going to go any deeper, they too will learn the truth. The MSM data on Ron Paul is still minimal which points them to the official info or info we've created. Those that look no further than the negative press are worthless and can not be helped. WE WILL ALL be voting and they are largely apathetic.

We still win...

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They will

stop asking when he does well in Iowa, and NH....

they're just doing their jobs

Find out who pays the people lying to you, and you'll know (essentially, if not literally) what lies you'll be told.

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What is begun in anger, ends in shame.

be angry, thats fully in

be angry, thats fully in your rights and is a sentiment shared by all of us, but when are we going to stop expecting otherwise?

We have the media exposure, and for the large part it hasnt been positive. the more media coverage we get before the first primary/caucus, the worse it'll be.

we can be angry about the inevitable smears from now to next sunday (figuratively), but it helps nothing but reinforce the attitude that we are just a bunch of whiney internet dorks that dont know how to press a button on a rigged diebold.

"we can be angry about the

"we can be angry about the inevitable smears from now to next sunday (figuratively), but it helps nothing but reinforce the attitude that we are just a bunch of whiney internet dorks"

You nailed it.

u speak truly and wisely...

u speak truly and wisely...

well, of course that's going to be the headline...

He didn't rule it out. He never has, unfortunately. Tactical error, but he's never ruled it out.

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"Cheers for liberty, my man."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qpVWPlqSAw&feature=related

"The question isn't who is going to let me, it's who is going to stop me." - Ayn Rand
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Not a Tactical Error

The 99.9% position is a tactical brilliancy. Dr. Paul has been around politics a long time and is looking several moves ahead on the campaign chessboard. He has a better chance to win the Republican nomination by not ruling out every option and so he simply accepts the aggravation of being asked about it repeatedly as the price he has to pay to retain that advantage. Interestingly the threat of making that particular move is even more powerful than actually making the move. This is a common theme in chess strategy.