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No ID given when requested!!

Not all in blue are jackbooted thugs. Notice "no ID given when requested." The sheeple need to know their rights and demand them if you expect to keep them.

At the very end had to laugh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFzH5Oe-YL4&feature=player_em...

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I just got off the phone with

I just got off the phone with the Oceanside PD. They gave me the information I need to send a letter of commendation to Officer Lions and his supervisor. I intend to do so immediately. Here it is:

The cop in the video:
Officer Matt Lions
3855 Mission Avenue
Oceanside, CA 92054

Officer Lions' Supervisor:
Sgt. Cosby
3855 Mission Avenue
Oceanside, CA 92054

Fantastic

A little glimmer of hope there.........

Colchester, New London County, Connecticut

This is the First time

In a Loooooong time that I've felt happy after watching a video on the interwebs. Well done Officer Lions! Be safe Sir.

An officer

secure in his manhood. Rare breed.

God Bless America!

HAHAHAHA that was great.

Now that is a real American Policman. Can someone get a phone number where we can call and give this man props for being a good policeman. I love this guy. Where not a thrid world country he says hahaha that is great. He gives his badge number and makes sure the camera gets a good square shot of him now that is what a Policman looks like. We have to make this guy famous online. Did he say his name was officer "lions"? He was also in the marine corp sounds like he knows what he served to protect and he takes his oath serious. Man I am blown away by this guy. We should make his name into an award. If a Policman is caught on video doing the right thing he shoud get the lions award. I could not make out his name I think he said lions not sure.

I just got off the phone with

I just got off the phone with the Oceanside PD. They gave me the information I need to send a letter of commendation to Officer Lions and his supervisor. I intend to do so immediately. Here it is:

The cop in the video:
Officer Matt Lions
3855 Mission Avenue
Oceanside, CA 92054

Officer Lions' Supervisor:
Sgt. Cosby
3855 Mission Avenue
Oceanside, CA 92054

Officer Matt Lions Oceanside

Officer Matt Lions
Oceanside PD
Badge #1093

Oceanside PD: 760-435-4900

I intend to write a letter to him and to his supervisor.

TY

I will be calling in the morning.

This is such an easy issue

to deal with and yet people still struggle with it.

When the officer ask "Can/may I see some I.D., please?" The best response is "Are you ordering me or are you asking?"

There is no reason in the whole wide world to do what he asks you and there is a very important reason concerning your health and general well-being to only verbally protest but ultimately comply with all of his orders.

He is not a judge, nor the jury, so arguing what you are required to do in the street is moot. If you want to remain safe and avoid pointless violence, you should comply with the LEOs orders and ignore his requests by remaining silent.

Absolutely true. An employer

Absolutely true. An employer is only required to ASK for a SS number. You can refuse. I have a standard release of liability that states the Employer did in fact ask for the number and that I refused, and the reason for my refusal. All they need do is keep that on file for their own protection.
I remember the famous Taco Bell case where a girl was refused a part time summer job because they refused her employment because she refused to provide a Social Security number. Her father sued Taco Bell and she was awarded 5 grand, which by the way was far more than she would have earned during that summer.

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wasnt what i was expecting to

wasnt what i was expecting to see, but good its about time im sick of seeing a**hole cops.

No Social Security number...

You do not need a Social Security Number for anything including your job, dealing with banks, credit companies or even the IRS. This is the Law, please read below:

The Social Security Act of 1935 was an “Act of Congress”, as distinguished from “laws of the United States”. See 28 U.S.C. (1366) for distinction between “laws of the United States”, which apply only to States of the Union, and “Acts of Congress”, which apply only to territories and possessions of the United States. However, the legislatures of the several States enacted legislation that ONLY authorizes state governments and other state political subdivisions to enter into agreements with the Social Security Administration for the benefit of STATE GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES.

If you do not work for the state or federal government, the only time that it is “required” BY LAW to provide a Social Security number, would be when you are dealing directly with the Social Security Administration (SSA) in regard to your private SSA records.

You do not have to give your number to anyone outside the SSA and if someone demands that you use it or tries to compel you to use this number on some form, then show them a copy of this FEDERAL LAW and then ask them to fully comply with it:

US Code Title 42 section 408
(a) In general Whoever –
(8) discloses, uses or compels the disclosure of the social security number of any person in violation of the laws of the United States; shall be guilty of a felony and upon conviction thereof shall be fined under Title 18 or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.

Policeman

That cannot be an American policeman, it must be an imposter lol

The world would be in better shape with more policeman like him around.

good job by the civilian as well.

donvino

When I open carry in Arizona cops are polite.

they wont fuck with a person who is armed.

armed?

While open carrying In Ca. the weapon Must be empty. Doubt that would scare any cop haha...well I guess someone could hit him in the head with it. Or kick him in the shin.

Doesn't matter.

is a cop really going to disarm an armed person just to check if its empty? NO of course I don't open carry for looks. I open carry with a full mag 1911, and a cocked hammer..but no bullet in the chamber.I have my own reasons for not having a bullet in chamber,but keeping it cocked always.

So do you have to give your

So do you have to give your first and last name and/or SS#? I've never understood that. Do you need an ID? I'm sure it's different state to state. One says one thing and one says another.

Columbus, Ohio

He's Lucky

The Police Officer let it go. He is not required to carry ID, but the officer was correct in stating that he is required to at least verbally ID himself, which he refused to do. (The cop needs reasonable suspicion of something but doesn't need to tell you what it is). I believe the cop could have detained and/or arrested him at that point if he wanted to. It's difficult to walk anywhere in Oceanside without passing within 1,000' of a school, so open-carring a firearm while on foot is like walking through a minefield. The camera probably made the difference here.

That's true

He first hesitated about giving even a name, then he said 'Jerry'.

To add to your comment the reason the civilian was required to identify himself verbally is the officer was briefly detaining him on reasonable suspicion that he had committed, was committing, or was about to commit a crime. Without that reasonable suspicion though the encounter would have been consensual/conversational, and the civilian wouldn't have been required to even say his name. He could have just instead asked "Am I free to go?" which would force the cop to make a decision, which usually means letting the person go.

Some more good reading on stop and identify issue is here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_identify_statutes

The Fourth Amendment

of the Constitution guards against unreasonable searches and seizures, and the Fifth Amendment guards against self-incrimination.

That means if you're just walking down the street not breaking any laws a police officer can't get anything from you. You can just shut up and not say or do anything. If they try and search you or arrest you, especially without any probable cause for anything, they expose themselves to liability BIG time.

In doing their job police do have the obligation of trying to separate the "good guys" from "bad guys" so they look at how well people cooperate to try and figure out which side they fall on. They figure just identifying yourself is a harmless gesture that starts to build a friendly relationship. If you don't even give your name for their report it can frustrate them, even though you are not legally required to do so.

In certain areas like government buildings providing identification when asked may be required, but I'm not sure about those instances. Of course if you were pulled over driving, you need to show a license to drive.

If a police officer finds

If a police officer finds himself frustrated that I exercise my right, then he should think long and hard about his attitude, his job, and his country; because when he starts to lose the first, the second and third might soon follow.

If law requires me to give my name, I will give my name.

If law does not, then I will not; and if, by exercising my right not to give my name, a police officer becomes frustrated... then he has my sympathy, but still not my name.

I have to agree :)

I have to agree :)

Respect

What cops respect is strength. If you show that you know your rights (legal rights), then cops will think twice about roughing you up or trying to teach you a lesson.

If anything, they're afraid you'll sue their pants off if they step out of line.

A good grasp of the law and a working knowledge of your city and state regulations, used respectfully, will deter every police brutality.

Only the second amendment comes close to being as important.

My kinda guy.

The Arizona Department of Safety Officer pulled over pick-up truck owner Mike Murray for a weapons check because of an NRA bumper sticker. When the officer approached the vehicle, the man behind the wheel handed the officer his driver's license, insurance card and concealed carry permit. The officer took all the documents, looked them over and said, "Mr. Murray, I see you have a CCP. Do you have any weapons with you?" The driver replied, "Yes I do. I have a 357 handgun in a hip holster, a .45 in the glove box and a .22 derringer in my boot." The officer looked at Mike and asked, "Anything else?" "Yes. I have a Mossberg 500 12 gauge and an AR-15 in the trunk." The officer asked if the man was driving to or from a shooting range and the man said he wasn't, so the officer bent over and looked into the driver's face and said "Mr. Murray, you're carrying quite a few guns. May I ask what you are afraid of?" Mike locked eyes with the officer and calmly answered, "Not a damn thing"

I disagree it's strength

Cops get training to take down guys the size of Hulk Hogan. (some are more effective than others)

What they do respect is someone who appears to cooperate on the basis they are just trying to do their job, but respectfully resists within knowledge of their rights.

Also phone recordings can definitely add a level of protection. It seems cops around the nation are waking up to this. That cop knew his video would end up on YouTube! Ha!

Yes, here is a policeman who

Yes, here is a policeman who respects the Second Amendment. This is how police should respond. Citizens, including citizens who are armed should not be assumed to be criminals, terrorists or crazy.

At the same time, it is important to be polite and respectful to the police. They have a dangerous and difficult job to do. We want them on our side, and we are ready to back them up should the need arise.

Interestingly that policeman was not afraid of the situation

Those are the kind of policemen we need. Fearless. He didn't see the guy as a threat to himself, obviously the police officer put his head down at one point of the video leaving himself vulnerable in several parts of the conversation....even shaking the hand of the individual was something most cops consider a deadly situation. I see absolutely nothing wrong with shaking someones hands, but this is like 1 in a million to see a policeman shake hands with an armed person.

The first thing the cop did

was verify that the guy's gun wasn't loaded. Once he saw it wasn't he could be a lot more at ease.

Must be an "Oath Keeper"

YAY

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Viva La Revolucion!
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CALL THE DEPARTMENT!!! REPORT THE COP!!!!

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I reserve the right to govern myself.