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Iraq War Deaths Exceed Vietnam War Numbers! Amazing article!

OMG....nothing more to say except God forgive us.... and GIVE to RON PAUL! This MUST END.

http://www.viewzone.com/wardeaths.html
According to The Department of Veterans Affairs, as of May 2007, reports in the Gulf War Veterans Information System reveal these startling numbers:

Total U.S. Military Gulf War Deaths: 73,846
* Deaths amongst Deployed: 17,847
* Deaths amongst Non-Deployed: 55,999

The stastics for non-lethal injuries are likewise staggering:

Total "Undiagnosed Illness" (UDX) claims: 14,874
Total number of disability claims filed: 1,620,906
* Disability Claims amongst Deployed: 407,911
* Disability Claims amongst Non-Deployed: 1,212,995

Percentage of combat troops that filed Disability Claims 36%

AND....... "The nuclear waste the U.S. has exploded in the Middle East will continue killing for hundreds of years! That's how long these particles of radioactive dust will continue to blow around, get lodged in someone's lungs or be ingested. Scientists calculate that there is now enough radioactive material in Iraq to wipe out a third of the world's current population.



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"...there is now enough

"...there is now enough radioactive material in Iraq to wipe out a third of the world's current population."

While I appreciate the anti-war sentiment here, I'm skeptical of the statistics, especially this one.

When there is too much exaggeration, it diminishes the entire story. Reminds me of the hysteria during the oil spill tragedy...

'Cause there's a monster on the loose

Iraqi infant deformities and

Iraqi infant deformities and cancer rates in Iraq are extremely high. It has everything to do with depleted uranium shells that the US has been dropping on Iraq since the first Gulf war, continuing with the clinton administration then taken full force with Bush Jr. I don't know of its a joke at all. The people of Iraq have truly been destroyed by the united states.

I totally agree with you...

my point is that by claiming that 1/3 of the current worlds population will die diminishes the true fact that you just brought up...

'Cause there's a monster on the loose

Read the details

If you read the details of the PDF. The document specifically states that it contains no information on the cause of death.

Tens of thousands of people die in the US each year from things other than natural causes, car wrecks, binge drinking, violence, and stupidity.

What the report is tracking is simply how many out of each given population have died since the gulf war. So there have been 17K of 1.1M deployed that hav died in the 17 years covered in the report. Which is 1.6% of that subset. Looking at the other category (Era aka non-deployed vets) there were 56K of 5.6M that died in the same period which is .98% the difference is the rate applied to the deployed population works out to about 6700 deaths more than the non-deployed group. There isn't data in the report as to what the cause of death was.

Its certianly a mix of KIA, WIA that later died of wounds, Gulf War syndrome, suicide or violence. Historically combat veterans have a higher than average rate of homelessness, substance abuse and mental trauma than their non-combat veteran brothers. This makes them much more likely to die early.

I'll reserve judgement on whether the site is intentionally misleading, but it is glaringly obvious that the author completely misunderstood the data in the report.

The number of deaths

account for less than 1 percent of the total veterans in the ERA. The majority of these are most likely natural deaths.

It should be noted

that the report makes no case that the majority of veteran deaths occurred as a result of the war. And also note that the report is referencing the PERSIAN GULF war, not Iraq. It references Desert Shield.

How can we prove these

How can we prove these numbers??

This is important -- if you link to this article, a lot of people are going to look at the Viewzone homepage and completely dismiss it. It's littered with extraterrestrial stuff.

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What is their explanation for all of the non-deployed deaths?

If they were never deployed to the Gulf War, why are they counted as Gulf War dead? Did they die at other locations?

Era = non-deployed:

Era
Era identifies service members who did not deploy to the Gulf War. This includes Active Duty,
Activated Reserve Forces, and Non-Activated Reserve Forces.

Thanks for any info about this.

Also

"Non-deployed" could also mean they died in hospital care on a US base in Germany or Virginia, etc...

These statistics are so screwed up. The killed in combat numbers given out by the pentagon/media are the troops that actually die on the battlefield. Deployed could also mean those who die in the Combat Army Support Hospital on in transit to other medical facilities. I saw numbers somewhere saying actual combat fatalities is somewhere around 80,000.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

I went into the PDF (since the govt website didn't work... duh)

and they make it quite clear that they formulate no opinions on WHY the veterans have died..... they just post numbers. Since I am not from a military family, and an HORRIBLE at reading graphs or statistics, much of the stuff in the PDF just flew by me.

No matter how you look at it, though, something is going on with the number of dead and wounded veterans that is NOT making the national mainstream news.

Thomas Jefferson: “Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever."

Viva La Revolucion!
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How can we prove that the pdf

How can we prove that the pdf comes from the Department of Veteran Affairs?

I can't share this article until I know it comes from somewhere other than Viewzone. I'm not saying Viewzone is B.S., but they look pretty 'out there', ya know?

I love this site

this is the only place where I can agree with and be agreed by others on the issue of war. What a bunch of peaceniks you are. Awesome. It is sad when posting antiwar comments on other sites and not getting support or approval or when talking to others that just don't get it. It is sad and hard. I just think a lot of them don't want to speak negative about Obomba - though some still think war is for our good. (at least when it's over "there") save lives, save money .... it is a pretty easy thing to figure out isn't it? Thank you all for sharing your peace and love on DP - thanks Michael and DP for being there.

RP 2012

DU is horrible.

Eliviejo, thanks for posting and bringing to attention, - politics, economics & elections distract from this great crisis, its an issue for humanity.
DU is horrible, it effects all, americans as attackers, iraqis as residents, and the environment, where the residue of Depleted Uranium stays for long, - causing many health problems, e.g. cancer, leukemia, birth deformities, etc.
Bombs are bad enough, but with DU its madness,
MAD = Mutually Assured Destruction.

Remember, Saddam was falsely accused of making nuclear weapons and importing uranium from africa, - he was considered a dangerous threat, - now accusers are doing the very same thing, = using uranium weapons.

Not to

throw a wrench in here but it looks like this is total deaths of veterans from the gulf war started in 1990. Im wondering if they are counting all non-war related deaths from veterans that served in the gulf war.

To add...

Iraqi Deaths Due to US Invasion: 1,455,590

Rand Paul 2016 for Peace

Thanks for

Just Foreign Policy,
http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/

a service on grounds of humanity. Politics is really screwed.

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. . . and the high suicide rate among the soldiers -

- the disposable imperial pawns.

This really HAS to end.

Exactly...this government is culpable

for some heinous crimes and unfortunatley those of us who NEVER supported these invasions will be caught in the crossfire.

Add to the above the countless civilian deaths.

Again, if I hear another peroson say, "At least it has kept us safe", I may vomit on their shoes.

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
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Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

And

..that's exactly what I put on Twitter:

How are wars keeping us safe--scientists say enough radioactive material to kill 1/3 of world population? http://t.co/qTg8kuD via @AddToAny

Hopefully, it will cause a few to stop and think about it...

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BAN ELECTRONIC VOTING!!

Yup.... need lots of pepto bismal

when talking to family and associates.

But it's more "at least it has kept us saaaaaaafe". (gotta get the nasal prolongation of the word, ya know)

Thomas Jefferson: “Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever."

Viva La Revolucion!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmaTNf4YhEs

And the lies continue...

from the U.S. Government. :(

Rand Paul 2016 for Peace