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More about Adam Kokesh

I wrote this as a comment on this article/video and some of the comments on this thread: http://trevorloudon.com/2011/06/adam-kokesh-paid-russian-age...
Thought it was maybe worth posting here. I'm sure I'll get some flack for it.

As much as it pains me I think the evidence is compelling. Think about who funded the anti war movement on the left in the 1960-70s. Now that movement has been castrated by and anti-war candidate who is now a pro-war president. The only viable anti-war party now lies in the Ron Paul movement. The Russian’s don’t like it at all that we are at their back door in nations they trade with frequently. Think about how the Russians have gone to bat for Iran among others. I like Adam. He even read an article I wrote on the air during his show. But here are the facts. His livelihood depends on the government. Not only that, a foreign government and not just a foreign government, but the Russian one. Home of the KGB and Pravda, the originators of social change through media and demoralization. He admits to this openly that he is an employee of the Russian government. Therefore, no matter what you think of him personally, his message really cannot be trusted and anything he does should be watched closely. Just stop and think for a moment the scope of the problem if he is a paid agent/agitator. His power within the liberty movement grows by the day. Most would never suspect he could some day betray us. What if one of the most popular and famous leaders of the liberty movement were to be agent sent in to defuse or distract the movement? Do you not think that this would be a worthy goal of those who seek to undo us? Think about Kokesh. His rise to fame has been meteoric in the movement. A congressional run, several public incidents involving his arrest, a quaint radioshow for less than a year and now a lucrative TV show. All within 3 years. Now his fame is approaching Ron Paul’s who has been around for 40 years practicing what he preaches. Peter Schiff is more famous, has a better record and he doesn't have his own TV show and he has had a radio show for years and years.

I have a friend who posted something on Kokesh’s FB page asking, quite innocently, some questions about all of this. His post got removed and he was BANNED from ever posting there again. He then made a fake facebook page and went back and posted another questioning article or statement and tried his best to be as innocent and just curious, not malicious, in the post. Once again, deleted and BANNED. So we can dance at the Jefferson Memorial but you cannot have free speech on Adam's FB page? Interesting indeed. I am not saying he should be made public enemy of our movement. I’m just saying consider not trusting him. You don’t know him, he has only a short public record of rhetoric and has been surprisingly successful in a very short time (not to mention he is funded by one of the largest Marxist regimes in the world, btw, yes Russians are still Marxists). Leave the jury in the chambers for a while. There is no harm in that. Make him earn your trust over a longer time scale, do not just hand it over blindly. There are bad folks out there who have conned intelligent people out of their entire life’s earnings because the thought never even crossed their mind that the con artist was not who he said he was.



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Is Adam a Con Man? What about Ron Paul?

After Reagan I don't trust anybody completely. However, when I learned of Reagan's record in California I should have known better. Reagan signed the first in the nation law legalizing abortion. Reagan increased California's waiting period for handguns. The warning signs were there; I was ignorant. Ron Paul has proven his metal; Adam comes pretty close, getting arrested repeatedly and body-slammed at the capitol. I don't have that kind of courage, to show restraint rather than responding violently or lethaly. Ron Paul is our last, best hope, barring the second coming or violent revolution (the only other options, as I see it). Adam Kokesh is a soldier in this peaceful revolution, as is Rand Paul. None of these individuals are above criticism, no more than Washington (who cut the toes off runaway slaves), Adams (who signed the Alien and Sedition Acts) and Jefferson, whose slaves were sold at action upon his death. Ronald used to say, "Trust, but verify." On that note, at least, he was right.

I'll just add my two cents.

I've served in the Army, worked in the hardest environments, machine shops, steel mills, manufacturing, construction. And there are few times I've ran into anyone with the courage and convictions of Adam.
My brother and I had him on our radio show. Then ran into him the night before his big speech in DC back in 08. He gave that speech to my brother the night before and we made sure to let the organizers know (our radio station) he was going to be awesome. Because Ron Paul had to fly that day there was some concern Adam might get bumped... but luckily he made it on stage and the rest is history. After that we hooked up again to get him to the Presidential debate in Mississippi where he spoke to a not-so friendly crowd... But he stood firm. He's spent the night at my house on several occasions on his way through... and he's been gracious to speak to our local groups. We ran into him again in Minnesota at the Rally for the Republic. And he's always impressed but remained modest.

We were one of the first to get the word he was going to run for Congress and I did make the trip to New Mexico for his kick off event. He even put me up in one of his bedrooms for a few nights.

So I can say without a doubt. I've got a pretty good idea of who Adam Kokesh is... and he is the genuine article. I've met very few like him... but I would say there's quite a few Ron Paulers that are pretty close.

As for RT, I'd say he's making the most of an opportunity and it's a great focal point for the movement. He hasn't turned down the intensity and he certainly isn't being shy about his opinions. What other host do you see taking a position and following it up with action to the point that police are body slamming them? The man is seriously dedicated to the cause! And if we had 1000 Adam Kokeshs... we could probably rest easy that our country would be hard core Liberty fanatics!

But, that being said... Liberty requires responsibility. And we all need to stand on our own two feet. No one needs to lead us... most of us know we need to be leading ourselves... if we truly understand that... we really have learned the lesson of time. Liberty = Prosperity! And ..." if your not having fun... your not doing it right!" ~ Ron Paul

Always question everything

Always question everything. I'm not saying I distrust or don't like Adam but there is nothing wrong with questioning a person and their motives. It's healthy and means you are truly not sheepish. I think Adam is on our side but his quick rise to fame should be questioned, I don't trust RT at all, just like I don't trust MSNBC or FOX. They all take news and information and put it in an entertaining format to sell advertising. I think the only person I trust outside of my immediate family and friends is RP and thats only becase he's been saying the same damn thing for 30 years.

I am sick of it

Why a person is allowed to attack one of our leaders?
Why?

On this website/
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when you attack Adam

you attack me.

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In America Truth is Treason

So yes, he is treasonous to the mobsters who own us and loyal to the mobsters who own Russia (or "Princes" as mentioned in the "Art of War.")

I feel upside down.

"Walls are stronger than the men that defend them."

Ghengis Khan

RT

is 100% anti-America, all the time. That is enough for me to believe that they are a propaganda outlet, regardless if they have RP on occasionally (so does gatekeeper AJ).

There's nothing objective about their reporting, if they are airing a story, it's showcasing America in a bad light.

Never the other way around. Don't people know that reporting is supposed to be objective? Even if we agree, and appreciate their pointing out some issues that we care about, we cannot naively believe that they have our best interests at heart. RT is very one-sided.

IMHO, shame on Kokesh for joining up with a foreign government propaganda ministry.

My .02

"If this mischievous financial policy [greenbacks], which has its origin in North America, should become endurated down to a fixture, then that government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off its debts and be without debts. It will hav

DONT FEED THE TROLL

dont give this imbecile one second of your time

I got to know Adam

a little bit while working for his congressional run in New Mexico. I had been following him pretty closely before I knew he was from New Mexico, and by the time he decided to run I knew his background pretty well. I too thought his quick rise to prominence in the movement was a bit suspicious. His military background and his early responses about 9/11 made me doubly suspicious. However, his campaign turned out be far from any sort of professional machine and we ended up getting beat soundly in the primary against a really weak candidate. It sucked losing, but it definitely made me trust him more. As for the individual, I can tell you that Adam is a really cool guy. Friendly and intelligent, good at having political discussions and willing and able to dominate a conversation when necessary. I thought his personally traits were perfect for a politician. He was definitely receiving support from the Campaign for Liberty and you could tell as you watched his speeches evolve that someone was coaching him on Austrian Economics. As far as working for the Russian govt goes, it is unfortunately the only way to have real free speech and distribution in this country. At the end of the day, Adam is saying exactly what needs to be said and he is spot on. So until that changes he has my 100% support.

Thank you

Thank you for posting this.

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Adam has been around a while,

Adam has been around a while, it's not as if he just one day showed up on RT and became a popular activist. I think I first learned of him back in early 2008... he was in some video making a speech about being ordered to crawl around on dirt loaded with depleted uranium in Iraq.

He certainly is nowhere near as popular as Ron Paul. (Adam, if you're reading this, no offense.) Even being remotely as popular as RP is still quite an achievement.

Also consider that much of what Adam has done was at his own personal expense while spreading the message of liberty.

What if there were 50,000 people willing to do the same? Would our movement be better off or worse off? I'd say better, much much better.

Anyhow, if you're skeptical of him that's fine. Don't judge him based simply on what he says, judge him based on what he does, based on his actions. You know the old saying, actions speak louder than words.

BTW, I've never listened to his radio show nor have I ever watched one of his RT shows (yet).

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I place my good name on Adam's side

His good work speaks for itself.

Why he rose to fame so fast?
Do you remember GOP convention and what AK did?

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Kokesh is a hero...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCT36wUAH48

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guys guys guys, adam is a

guys guys guys, adam is a patriot. who cares who funds his network he always tells the truth the msm is even more anti american, pro isreal instead of pro russia whats the difference? i commented on an isreal argument last night on the tea party straw poll comments section and the comment was deleted. i was shocked but i had kept my browser on since last night this is the comment that was deleted.

AND what about all of the palestinians? what about them its ok for isreal to systematically remove them through military force against people with no guns ! isreals always the victim right? commting genocide against the palestinians with airstrikes and militarism, dont play dumb either i just read an article saying isreal passing laws that makes palestinians pay for their own home demolitions! and im supposed to support that? im supposed to believe isreal is the victim? all isreali's ever do is is talk about "tolerance" for other people to accept them, BUT THEY commit horrible acts of war against civilians, what a model of tolerance, were not stupid, i dont hate jews i dont hate anyone for where they come from, i do hate genocidal racist governments , oh no but the rules dont apply to isreal everyones supposed to love them but the can kill palestinians for the fuck of it because theyre muslim dirt right!? practice what you preach then maybe the arab worl will stop fucking with isreal.

A patriot?!

You can't be an American patriot and an employee of a foreign government at the same time!

I know allot of them that work for WALMART.

Adam found a vehicle for his message, just happens to be a foreign model.

I think you're confused as to

I think you're confused as to what a patriot really is.

Who were the original patriots? The founders of the U.S. Although, to Britain they were terrorists, not patriots.

Patriotism isn't about blindly following whatever government of whatever land you happen to live on. It's about loving your country, and your fellow countrymen, while remaining vigilant in watching the government to make sure they treat us properly.

If RT is the only TV network that will allow Adam to speak openly and honestly about whatever topics he covers, then good for him and kudos to RT.

It would be great if it was Fox News putting him on the air, but even Glenn Beck just today said that Fox News isn't completely honest, although they are the most honest compared to other American media outlet.

Consider the differences between the message and the messenger. RT is just a messenger. Adam Kokesh is also largely just a messenger. Take the message and if you can prove it false, do so in order so that the rest of us are not deceived in any way. If his message is truthful, well, then that speaks for itself.

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you should be ashamed of

you should be ashamed of yourself. SGT Kokesh was a marine who fought for what he thought was your protection. he woke up and is now using all rescources he can possibly use to spread our message and you are condemning him for it? there are freedom supporters around the world are they not patriots? the word patriot is not exclusive to the united states, if you ask me the united states has raped the word, calling traitors patriots like donald rumsfeld dick cheney and others, for god sake we have the PATROTT ACT that is the enemy of freedom. i dont give a fuck who he works for as long as your heart and mind are for the fight against tyranny your a patriot goddamn it

I guess that eliminates the President...

and the entire Congress from being patriots.

I can't say I follow that

I can't say I follow that one, but in either case; Kokesh hosts a program on RT. Does that make him "an employee of a foreign government"?

Just listen to what the guy says, and if you're unsure about whether he's blowing smoke, see what others you trust say about what he says.

I personally thought the whole dance performance was a bit childish, but then again that may be just what is needed to draw support from some younger people. At least he is out there trying to do something to shrink government.

Yes it does make him an employee of a foreign government.

The Russian government owns RT. It's pretty simple.

So?

If Iran or Venezuela or China paid me to do a show seen by millions in the West about how good Ron Paul is and how we should support individual freedoms and liberty, I would hire on in a second. Just as long as they didn't try to monkey with my message and control what I said.

You have no point... :)

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~wobbles but doesn't fall down~

You would have no libertarian credibility.

Because you would be making a living off of taxpayers performing a non-essential government function. If you were a real libertarian you'd work in the private sector where you're paid on a voluntary basis.

So Ron Paul

has no Libertarian credibility?
how about lew rockwell who was once on his cong. staff?

both govt employees...

no cred huh?

Liberty = Responsibility

He is working in the private

He is working in the private sector. Or, are you implying that Russia is our government?

Any businesses that Russia operates within the U.S. is private sector.

The U.S. government is our government, not Russia.

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For your information,

private sector means you receive your income entirely through voluntary means from people who want to pay you. Taxes aren't voluntary. RT is not private sector. It's government sector. RT is not any more private than a U.S. military base in Iraq.

When did I say I was a libertarian?

I'm a libertarian-leaning conservative jeffersonian like Ron Paul.

And as far as purist libertarians, there is no ethical issue with working in the current system/reality to put forth the message and vision of how things SHOULD be. Regardless of who is paying for it.

Try again... :p

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Kokesh is a Russian government shill.

If he ever did an anti-Russian government story he would be fired. That's unlike here in the U.S. where you can have virulently anti-American government shows like Freedom Watch and keep your job.

What if

the American government (or NGO) sponsored a show called America Today, that featured an ex Russian military soldier going on and on about how bad Russia is?

It's convoluted and weird.

"If this mischievous financial policy [greenbacks], which has its origin in North America, should become endurated down to a fixture, then that government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off its debts and be without debts. It will hav

Freedom Watch is a

Freedom Watch is a pro-American show, because it is pro-Freedom and pro-Liberty. That is the core foundation of our nation.

Why would Kokesh spend any time at all talking about anti-Russian issues when all along it seems as though his focus has been on pro U.S. liberty issues?

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