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Your thoughts on the movie "Dark Knight"

Was the film really a result of the studios and Christopher Nolan? The movie to me does not feel like a movie at all..it feels like a complete and pure propaganda induced idea.Does government possibly influence big films such as "dark knight"? The film is riddled with "necessary evil" ,and "necessary spying" on civilians ...and "necessary lying to citizens" a bit deep and shoves it in the face of the audience for an entire 2 hours nearly.I don't even see batman as any kind of hero during or at the end of the film.It was on tv lastnight.What are your thoughts?

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Batman was a character developed during the Great Depression

Do a little comic book history here.

Superman was created during WWI when we felt the "world" was in crises. Batman, however, was created during the Great Depression when "street crime" was on the rise and the threats were more domestic than foreign. And the "hero" came from within our humanity versus a "savior" from the stars.

I just found it interesting that this franchise has been reignited during another time of economic uncertainty where street crime is again on the rise.

But at the end of the day, don't read too much into it. It is, after all, a comic book character ;-)

Good art reflects and is

Good art reflects and is informed by reality.

Ani Defranco said that art

Ani Defranco said that art imitates life and life imitates television.

I like her fierce sense of

I like her fierce sense of independence, in art and in thought.

John F Kennedy said something along those lines

but when does art actually endorse something of the state?

I suppose such lines are

I suppose such lines are created in the minds of individuals.


There are two ways of looking at things like this. Its true that having all that spying propaganda is bad even in a comic book movie, but its not as if they were saying, 'this is good.' Morgan Freeman's character even said he was quitting because of Batman's spying. Then, at then end, the 'spy machine' was completely destroyed so no one could ever be spied on again, hence basically saying, 'this is wrong and shouldnt be allowed.' I felt the same way about Watchmen. TONS of New World Order references, but I felt as if it was put there to DEFLATE the argument that they should be considered right or legitimate, not as a way of converting people to globalism or totalitarionism. All a matter of perspective I guess. Art is relative. But anyway, I thought Dark Knight was WAY overrated. I liked the tim burton batman movies much better.

yeah but put this into perspective

Lucious Fox is only saying an afterthought "this is wrong". Then Lucious proceeds to use the spying machine.Another thing I caught onto was the fact that in the Christopher Nolan films Bruce Wayne doesn't give a damn about Wayne Enterprises manufacturing weapons???and giving the patents to military?.............bizarre stuff imo for Chris Nolan to include in the movies.Im starting to wonder what Christopher Nolan has in store when producing Superman :Man of Steel. Rumor has it that "Man of Steel" will revolve around the 900th issue of Superman in which citizenship is renounced...and why is that important in such a movie? Well basically 900th issue of superman has supes answering to the United Nations...and he works for them basically.


Dont forget zack snyder is directing Man of Steel. The guys who did Dark Knight and Watchmen. Visually it will be stunning. But content? Im worried too about the globalism aspect, but that has ALWAYS been an issue with Superman. He is, after all, an alien being sent to be the savior of the entire world, not just America. Dont forget in Superman 4 ( although u may want to forget that atrocity) he was answering to the UN. If u wanna see superman in pure Americana, get the Smallville complete series boxed set on dvd thats coming out in a few months. That show displays a lot of American values in my opinion. Even though it was shot in Canada, lol.

Snyder is quite prolific. As

Snyder is quite prolific. As long as he is not saddled with a poor script, it should be interesting to look at, and as Nolan has penned Man of Steel, the script is almost guaranteed brilliant.


thanks for the neocon element there with
pitting religion against religion,they hate us for our freedom...kinda odd on the DP but whatever
have no qualms with believers except for the matters
of whom is awake...you are right there is something
bigger than all this and my opinion is religion, banks, and war ain't it..

Humility is the cornerstone of a Warriors Strength.

Ledger died due to an

Ledger died due to an unfortunate mixing of prescription drugs. Christian Bale noted that he felt it was an insult to actors to suggest that an accomplished actor might "get lost" in their character. They act as their profession.

"method acting"

I do not believe for one moment that Heath was an amateur and that his death was related to "method acting" or "accident". I can neither rule his death as accidental but am inclined to lean towards it being homicide.


He is called the "Dark Night" which you could find many parallels to our administration.

"I have found that being rich is not about having the most but about needing the least"

i am glad you posted this

on a different scope.. I just finished re-watching
Alexander directed by Oliver Stone...
I could not help but notice how Alexanders foreign policy is really no different from the U.S. foreign policy as far as making people "free"... taking over the middle east.. expanding bases everywhere, preemptive war for the greater glory... America has done what Alexander attempted to do or rather Bush II and B.O...
as far as the Dark Knight goes...love the movie but definitely crazy undertones in there as well as Chris Nolans newer movie Inception.... Totally connects to psy-ops by implanting info into the subconscoius yet he disguised it as dreams..

Humility is the cornerstone of a Warriors Strength.


America is NOT taking over the Middle East.
The Middle East is taking over America.
You got to get your mind right.
It is they who have an interest in America, NOT the other way around. America is the Staple of Christianity.
What is their goal? What does it mean to be a stumbling block?
OH!! they are SO intelligent.

Come out of your hypnosis.
Stockholm syndrome
what you see is not what you get.
There is a plan and it's BIGGER than America.
America is engage in a side show, Obama is the side show President. Who is next? OH!! they are SO funny.


thanks for the neocon element there with
pitting religion against religion,they hate us for our freedom...kinda odd on the DP but whatever
have no qualms with believers except for the matters
of whom is awake...you are right there is something
bigger than all this and my opinion is religion, banks, and war ain't it..

Humility is the cornerstone of a Warriors Strength.

My take...

is not that the government influences hollywood. It's that the same people/group influencing government and creating this tyrannical creature are influencing mass media including hollywood.

Does government possibly influence big films...


Hollywood and The Pentagon: A Dangerous Liaison

Operation Hollywood: How the Pentagon Shapes and Censors the Movies

Cinema, in America and elsewhere, has experienced a longstanding and influential relationship with the government. http://www.ehow.com/info_8422211_social-influences-drama-fil...

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

Comic Books are a Pavlov experiment for the banksters

There is no black and white.. pure good and pure evil.. batman and joker… the movie portrayed batman as having too much invasive power at first, but concluded with Batman having to make sacrifices to stay hidden from the judicial system…. No different from the banksters of today.. sit outside the system and come in to pull some levers and stop the absolutely evil terrorists from taking over society absolutely.

Comic Books have been propaganda for years in certain mainstream circles…. The only one that I like is The Punisher since he is the inverse of all other superheroes… The Punisher accepts that he is a criminal according to society and goes after large organizations and cartels… which is why the character never really made it in hollywood.

Waking up takes a lot of going back… going back to childhood and becoming aware of what may have conditioned your mind to hope, believe, have faith, and submit to being bailed out of your problems….and when reality hits your mind still hopes, but you are less willing to fight… a pavlov experiment by the bankers

A true flower can not blossom without sunlight and a true man can not live without love.

Batman is a vigilante

His actions in the movie are consistent with his character.

The Dark Knight equates vigilante with superhero, tricking you!

Stay with me here…

the Federal Reserve (a vigilante institution), defined by its secret mission to fix the inherent social flaws the system creates.

The only difference btwn. a vigilante and a superhero is that government accepts the superhero whereas government does not accept a vigilante. So there is no difference between a vigilante and a superhero if a government secretly accepts the vigilante…which is what happens in Dark Knight.

The Federal Reserve is not a vigilante if its secret mission is accepted by society.

This is what made the Dark Knight so tragic… it toggles at the heart strings of children to have them equate a superhero with a vigilante and accept that a secret mission is necessary for their security as opposed to the open mission of a superhero.

A true flower can not blossom without sunlight and a true man can not live without love.

Batman is an anti-hero,

Batman is an anti-hero, because he is driven by revenge, even as he tries to restrain himself from simply becoming a murderer.

You can't be serious ?

the IMF and Federal reserve do not preserve peace. They create wars and chaos. I just cant shake this feeling that the "Dark Knight" movie feels so ominous. I feel as if it was partially inspired by world governments to create such a film. Just my own two cents...Im usually never so deeply intrigued by a movie.The Dark Knight has never felt like a normal movie to me,it has this very surreal strange feel to it and I can't quite put my finger on it.

When did I say the IMF preserve's peace?

I agreed with you. I am serious.. the IMF and the World Bank both treat society as if we all should have faith in something bigger than us to define what is evil and then to vanquish that evil… Comic books condition our minds to accept our dependency and rely on a dark knight to save us…it is an production of the illuminati and a story to tell us how they think of themselves.. how does that not agree with you?

A true flower can not blossom without sunlight and a true man can not live without love.


Batman is the perfect example of what could emerge if the government doesn't take its role to police us as seriously as it does now.

A not-for-profit entity with a large donor potential would effectively be left to maintain order by selectively and decisively affecting crime.

The private sector could turn out some Batmans. The public sector has a little too much red tape.

Batman is more an example of a philosopher king than neocon wet dream. He is aware that what he's doing is wrong when he uses the sonar, and so Lucius is glad to see he set the device to self disable once the mission was completed because nobody should have that kind of power.

You can find propaganda in any way you want to, but I really think Batman is pretty benign.

I felt that Christopher Nolan shoved a few ideas into the mind

Christopher Nolan pushes almost an agenda of ideas such as :

A.it is necessary to be evil to fight "terrorism"
B.civil laws are inadequate to retaining crimes and terrorist's
C.batman is a necessary evil..a person who wiretaps,tortures people for information ..and at the end of the day lies yet is regarded as the director as some sort of "necessary force"...though Christopher Nolan sidesteps it by calling Batman "not a hero"..he pretty much infers that Batman is a necessary savior of gotham for his ability to be like the Bush era government....how charming of Christopher Nolan .

D. the joker is an anarchist?oh really...he clearly doesn't care about destroying the government,neither does he care about its size or power. The joker is not an anarchist. Christopher Nolan exchanges "existentialism" and "sadism" for "anarchy". I think this was the clearest propaganda in the film in which I observed.It clearly sets Batman up to be a "necessary force" which is actually tyrannical.

1984 ia on tonight

in my area. I read the book years ago but forgot most of it.

Just the previews made me think DARK KNIGHT was propaganda.
I REALLY watch movies from a concerning mind now.

Thanks for the opportunity to remind people this is a WAR ON OUR MINDS and we must remain vigilant in what we watch, and control our emotions because they play on them.

"We can see with our eyes, hear with our ears and feel with our touch, but we understand with our hearts."

Did anyone catch how the movie portrays "anarchy"?

Apparently Christopher Nolan thinks "anarchy" is terrorism......

It sure does...

it makes anarchy appear as terrorism/chaos. Thats typical of the mass media though. They have been on a campaign to make anarchy (the absence of a central state/hierarchy) appear as the worst alternative possible for a long time. If the masses understood the ideas of anarchy a lot would change really quick.