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For those that cuss the state of Az.Please consider this:

As most of you know,Yet very few participated,I had a new grand daughter born a few days ago.

The interesting thing was that they actually asked a couple of questions that the parents had the right to answer yes or no to.

The first choice the parents had was to vaccinate the child or not,And it was asked in total politeness and conviction.

The second choice they had was to give the baby a SS# or not,They actually had a choice that was explained in detail.

So before you cuss the State of Az consider these facts of choice when you have a child there.

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Who is cussing Arizona?

Arizona, like all the states, is a mixed bag. Some good folks, some asleep folks and some bad folks.

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SS number

They weren't forced to give their child a SS number?

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I wasn't "forced" either and I live...

...in Alabama.

Now, they did ASSUME that I was going to get her a SS number. They came with all the forms and ask us to fill them out. I told them I would NOT be filling out the form for a SS number.

They were shocked. They asked why, and I explained that my baby did not need a SS number and that having one only made her more likely to be a victim of identity theft. "Why have a number sitting around for 16-18 years waiting on someone to steal it?" I asked. Then I followed with, "I'll wait and decide later if I want my little girl to become a slave to the government and the international banksters that really run it."

The nurse left saying she would be back to let us know if it would be ok. I assured her that I didn't get my SSN until I was 14 or so, and that it would be fine. Next thing I know some hospital administrator was there explaining to me that it was standard policy at the hospital to sign up all newborns for a SSN. I explained to her that it was my child and my wishes were the only ones that mattered and that my child was not getting a SSN assigned to her at birth.

Later I find out that I cannot claim her as a dependent on my taxes without her having a SSN. This is new. So are the pushy hospital people forcing SSN's down our throats.

Screw 'em. I didn't fill out the paperwork. She has no SSN.

No,they were given a choice

Seriously,I was there and they were given a choice and I still do not know what they decided.I am just the grand father and did not have a decision in the matter.Trust me I stressed the fact that they have time to study before committing.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Only ignorant people curse Az....

Arizona cannot be collectivized in description. Private Prisons were lobbyists who shoved the SB 1070 through legislature and to the governors desk. People didn't even have time to question or look at it before it had already passed .Obviously private prison corporations had been the culprits and they were very powerful lobbyists. Arizona has been subjected to some really really stupid politicians recently,and many of them are deeply entrenched in the system.....they control local GOP parties like a monopoly.It is unbelievable how tightly knit the GOP oligarchy is.

I agree

This state is the epitome oF neocon cowboys.Yet there is some good to be found in it all.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.