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John McCain won the primary in 2008, Ron Paul can win it in 2012. Here's why.

In 2008, I was absolutely shocked that John McCain actually mustered up enough support to win the primary. I wondered where it came from. I had been an avid Limbaugh/Hannity/Levin listener since 1999 and I knew damned well that those guys could not stand McCain. McCain has not had traditional support from the so called ‘conservative gatekeepers’, which includes Rush Limbaugh - who actually has several very funny parodies of McCain; Sean Hannity who hasn’t ever had much good to say about McCain except about his war position and military service. Then there is Mark Levin, who actually could not stand McCain as a candidate in 2008, but now is an odd bedfellow with McCain supporting Obama’s unconstitutional War in Libya, while claiming to be a Constitutional scholar. Why is this information even important?

It’s important because it shows that in 2008, the so called gatekeepers, while promoting Mitt Romney by and large, completely lost their influence over the Republican primary voting base. It seemed to scare them quite a bit. It even concerned me as much; as I wanted Ron Paul to win and was basically told by the establishment that he is unelectable, just vote for Romney, the lesser evil. McCain won the primary.

Really, McCain won? I thought for sure Limbaugh and Hannity would have been able to sway their constituency into supporting Romney, or that their constituency was so large that they could get together and call the shots. Hell, I thought these guys were always looking out for me. Naïve I was in 2007.

Some of my family joked about having to go get drunk to vote McCain because we could not in good conscience vote for him. Even my relatives who I would describe as neoconservatives were starting to wane on the war mongering, and it was relatives who first introduced me to Ron Paul with a video of him on Google. In my heart, I knew Ron Paul was right and I supported him.

The new gatekeepers in 2007-2008 became the pollsters - including Frank Luntz on fox news. They were manufacturing up polls for daily news stories. Rudy Giuliani was initially seen as the front-runner, but walked away from the Primaries without a single delegate vote. By the time New Hampshire came around, the pollsters were showing McCain having tremendous support over in that region. What happened? The conservatives figured they would just follow the trend of who could win against Hillary – according to who the pollsters said was the front-runner. As usual, even the pollsters were dead wrong on Hillary Clinton having already sealed the nomination. Hannity was so convinced by the pollsters that he had nearly a year of the “Stop Hillary Express” tagline on his show.

The public has fallen into the trap of letting the pollsters ask questions that will have a more desired outcome from someone who actually pays for the poll. Pollsters like Gallup don’t do it for free, so of course there is some bias in the questioning to lead to a more desired outcome for the entity paying for the poll, so they get repeat business when it rewards them.

Where this dangerously changed was that the news media and the pollsters united and starting pre-selecting candidates using news stories made up from this poll and that poll, using this data to influence the public to the extent of pre-electing candidates who are only deemed viable by the MSM and the pollsters. Fortunately, their platform is crumbling with younger generations.

So what’s changed since 2008? Well, Myspace is now a dud. Just sold for 35 million and was the major social networking site in 2008. Facebook is the rage, and the number of people on Facebook is absolutely incredible - some 600 + million. People can more easily share their political rationale with family and friends. People are starting to listen to their friends share things more than they watch TV in certain age ranges. The amount of people watching television is going down, and it’s shifting to Internet television/news/media that isn’t as centrally controlled. Netflix subscriptions make up nearly 25% of all Internet traffic, and people are cancelling their standard services in droves to save money. As usual, the free market creates more choices and people like this.

If the media is losing the lion's share of their influence over these last four years namely because of public distrust and real free market alternatives, Ron Paul actually has a very good chance of winning the nomination. The Limbaughs, Hannitys and Levins no longer had the ability even in 2008 to pre-select the conservative candidate, so Ron Paul really does not require their support to seal the nomination.

So I must remind Ron Paul supporters who get discouraged, and those who like Ron Paul who say “he isn’t electable because my talk radio head guy says so” are dead wrong. Ron Paul does not need the talk radio head support to win the nomination because John McCain won the nomination completely without them. John McCain could not have been a more polar opposite for talk radio. That’s how badly their influence has fallen.

Ron Paul is the polar opposite of talk radio this time around, mainly due to his foreign policy views, but he’s also the polar opposite of the MSM in general. He does have the internet, tea party, fundraising, and grassroots organizations promoting him for hours a day on the internet and with friends. That in the end might change the equation- as younger generations don’t even listen to the news any longer. Now those kids just need to get out there and vote.

Even Glenn Beck has been promoting Ron Paul’s positions more than ever, and his influence within conservative circles has grown. In the debates this year, the people on stage no longer laugh at Ron Paul but rather agree with him even on stage about his policies on healthcare, economics, debt, social security and the fed. All the other candidates are trying to incorporate pieces of his policies into their message; even Newt wants to audit the fed. The public is slowly seeing this; Ron Paul who they first heard mentioned in 2008 predicted the economic crisis, runaway government and has always stood by the Constitution and our Liberties. Don’t let the media and the pollsters decide your candidate this time around, Ron Paul can win if you, your neighbors, friends and family vote for him. This is a real grassroots campaign, not Astroturf. Get involved.

The media-polling union has thrown the flavor of the month conservative candidates at us now for months – effectively telling the public anyone but Obama, but also anyone but Ron Paul. Why? Because the establishment does not want the status quo changed, and they know Ron Paul if elected will drastically disturb the unholy union of the media, corporations and the state.




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It was all a show!

TPTB picked McCain because Obama was already pre-selected to be the President. They knew that people could buy McCain losing because he wasn't a popular candidate to begin with. McCain was nothing more than a fall guy just like John Kerry was in 04. ALMOST ALL THE PRESIDENTS HAVE BEEN RELATED. Even the talking head Limbaugh is related to Obama! Every news station is a propaganda machine for the corporation called THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. We have the impossible task of winning our nation back from a mafia type bloodline that controls the world through central banks like the federal reserve. The only way we can win is through a mass awakening of Americans so that the liars can't possibly keep their scam going. We need the backing of the military to ensure a secure vote on PAPER BALLOTS after ousting these fraudulent elitist thugs. That is the only way we can win period!

The Judge keeps mentioning

The Judge keeps mentioning Ron on Freedomwatch. Last night he even asked guests some questions that started with the proposition that Ron Paul had won the presidency!! It was interesting to say the least..

Another possibility

There are a lot of GOP candidates for President right now. If all of the candidates get some percentage of the vote (say 1-10%), but the crowd that passionately supports Ron Paul comes out and votes in full force, he could win the primary with 10-15% of the vote. As it has been said:

"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds."
Samuel Adams

hey

i get inspired everytime i read something like Ron Paul can win it He can win no matter what anyone says because of young people like me spreading the message around on facebook and the internet is a good source to give information out at a fast rate :)

A couple observations

A couple observations today.

First we had a family gathering and I overheard my aunt talking about trying to support Romney, but he made some mistakes. So she was going down the list of other possibles like Gingrich. No mention of Ron Paul, though I've spent considerable time trying to push her his way.

Then I came in and watched NBC nightly news and watched them showing clips of candidates Romney, Huntsman, Gingrich, Cain and Bachmann.

No mention of Ron Paul.

I have resigned myself to the fact that the elections are somewhat rigged, starting with who the media is willing to show.

The best we can hope for is candidates adopting some of Ron Paul's ideas. But he will never get credit.

Back in 07-08 Ron's

Back in 07-08 Ron's popularity was doubling about every three months despite the gang-ignore by the media. This was essentially pure Internet-organized word-of-mouth and volunteer activity.

(IMHO if he'd started 9 months earlier he'd have done well enough in the primaries to win the nomination or at least make it a floor fight, despite possible slope reducition around 30%.)

Now he's got significant exposure, especially on the financial networks, thanks to his calling the financial collapse. And he's got the voting record. And he's got people like US still driving that exponential. And he's starting early and NOT just doing it to educate the population: He's in it for the gold ring.

So I think we, and a continuously growing crowd of like-minded people, can keep his exponential going enough to bring in the nomination.

Starting with you recruiting some of your family - like your aunt. (You DID mention Ron to her, didn't you? B-) )

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"Obama’s Economists: ‘Stimulus’ Has Cost $278,000 per Job."

That means: For each job "created or saved" about five were destroyed.

I don't think it is that bad.

Yes it will be up to us, but they are talking Ron's message and I believe in the end the Cream will rise to the top....and the chaff will fall to the bottom.
Those Ron Paul ideas that they are talking will help us in the end, because they are working to change every ones opinion for us...which is the hardest part. In other words they are working for us.
In the end they voters will see the others as opportunists and all we have to do is show them that Ron has been voting that way for 25 years.

Ron Paul can beat Obama

Ron Paul has a better chance of defeating Obama than any of the Republicans.

Why?
Most Dems will not vote for a republican...but would be more likely to vote for Ron for many reasons.

Most Repubs will never vote for Obama...and even if they don't agree with Ron on 50% of the issues...they would certainly vote for Ron due to his fiscal policies alone.

The problem is that the

The problem is that the internet really doesn't influence the debate all that much. The MSM is still a major player and will remain that way for some time.

RON PAUL has won

against big machines in his Texas district. We can help him do it on the national scene!

The problem is that the

The problem is that the internet really doesn't influence the debate all that much. The MSM is still a major player and will remain that way for some time.

In 2008 McCain was the Establishment candidate


The analysis is off.

The GOP "talking-head" gatekeepers disliked McCain because of this 2000 Campaign, in which he advocated more "moderate" positions than Bush on Taxation and other matters, and appeared to be more "Independent" from GOP Party orthodoxy than he really was.

But McCain hardened after losing the Primaries to Bush...so much so that he happily endorsed Bush, and as Senator endorsed all the Bush-Cheney War & police-state initiatives. McCain even reversed himself on the Bush Taxe-Cuts-for-the-rich debate, and supported it (after initial opposition).

By the time we got to 2007-2008, John McCain's positions were indistinguishable from Bush-Cheney. So whether or not the reich-wing "talking-heads" considered McCain as the "best guy" or not, he clearly was still the Establishment guy -- and the contrast in the debates between McCain (Warmonger) and Ron Paul could not be any wider (In fact, McCain seemed to hold a special bitter contempt for Ron Paul saying in one debate: "you don't want me pal").

Ron Paul is clearly not the Establishment candidate under any scenario. His challenges will come from the fact that, unlike McCain, the Media will not talk as much about him and he just won't get the same 'credibility' and attention from the standard Media cricles. McCain never had those obstacles.

While Ron Paul may not need specifically Hannity or Limbaugh or whoever to win, he will need lots of attention, and creative Campaign techniques to draw attention to him (like the "schooling of Guilinai" press conference).

I hope Ron Paul knows that the goodness of people will not win this Election, and that his Campaign needs to be really aggressive and creative to prevail.

McCain may have been the NWO candidate..

But he was definitely not talk radio's man. He was ridiculed relentlessly by Limbaugh and Hannity followed suit. The point here is that the Limbaugh/Hannity/Levin wing do not have as much clout as many believed. The pollsters in conjunction with the MSM brought McCain to the primary. The difference this go-around is that we now have the Internet being more of a factor than last time in terms of shaping opinion. If you think I am wrong that's fine, but the Tea Party would not have happened without grassroots organizing on the Internet. The Media never wanted to see the Tea Party become a reality, and only a few like Glenn Beck truly capitalized on the Tea Party existence. It was only seen this last 2010 election cycle how much influence the Tea party actually has had on the establishment. Every neocon and big government republican clown has tried to cozy up to the TP. The debate has changed. We have solidified the Fed as a problem within the Republican electorate. We have shaken their stance on the warmongering with Obama's continuation of pre-emptive war in Libya. Rand Paul is a senator. The MSM has started to lose their grip from declining viewership and competition within the younger activist generation. We also have to mention that Drudge is our friend in the battle. Even Drudge now sports Alex Jones links quite frequently, and has brought issues and subjects like Bilderberg up mainstream conservatives because of the Internet. Previous Conspiracy Theory has become reality in many minds. Times have changed and the media does not have such an easy cake-walk job at influencing opinion as they once did. Remember Dr. Paul's mention of the tireless irate minority willing to set brushfires of freedom in the minds of men? We are succeeding in this manner with incremental progress towards liberty. Dr. Paul does have a chance, and you can be guaranteed that the establishment will continue lying about him, his message and will undermine liberty. Just wait until we see the numbers in Iowa, and New Hampshire. Then we will know for sure. The establishment is preparing for a backlash, and Romney isn't even trying. Something is brewing and we are only getting a taste of it.

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Google Search results:

Sean Hannity - About 6,430,000 results (0.18 seconds)

Rush Limbaugh - About 16,700,000 results (0.12 seconds)

Mark Lavin - About 4,420,000 results (0.19 seconds)

Frank Luntz - About 640,000 results (0.09 seconds)

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Alex Jones - About 36,400,000 results (0.12 seconds)

Alex Jones pulls more on the Web than all of those Neocons combined!

Yes Ron Paul can win!

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Alex Jones' job is to "fringe" Dr. Paul

An association with Jones gives the rest of the media ammunition to say Dr. Paul is like those guys. I do not trust Jones. It is true that we need all the exposure Dr. Paul can get. Proceed with caution.

I think Jones is sincere.

And the "conspiracy theories are automatically nuts" meme is losing strength, as actual conspiracies are exposed from time to time. (People in power DO sometimes conspire to put things over on the rest of us in order to increase their power. Whether any of Jones' pet theories are correct is immaterial.)

Of course the media and his opponents will try "nuts by association" whenever anyone who supports Ron says anything outside the worldview they've been pushing and Ron doesn't immediately throw him under the bus. But a big part of the libertarian ethic is to let other people think different(ly), as long as they don't take force-initiating action.

Meanwhile, Ron has a recent, and very public, track record of being RIGHT when HE pointed out things that the establishment claimed were hokum - especially the ones they called him nuts about last election cycle. (When the moderators, questioners, and other debaters mock and laugh at him on issues where he is later proven right, in ways that hit the viewers' pocket books, it will be remembered if they try it again four years later.) So the "kooky uncle" attack no longer works well against him.

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"Obama’s Economists: ‘Stimulus’ Has Cost $278,000 per Job."

That means: For each job "created or saved" about five were destroyed.

Trust the fruits of one's labor

Trust? Do you trust Ron Paul? If you see a long period of time of doing/saying the same thing, it's not hard to trust. You can disagree with him, and I disagree at times, but to a large extent you can't argue with the facts he discusses.

The media has lost much of its credibility due to their lies and uncritical repetition of government propaganda, being shown to be liars or non-journalists. Jones' obsessive uncovering of government documents, statements, and plans of the elite has proved him reliable. For example, for much of the last 60+ years of its existence, the media would not talk at all about Bilderberg, or later claimed the Bilderberg group was a conspiracy theory. Now it is increasingly covered as regular, real news, due to the tireless journalism of Jones and others in the alternative media that make it impossible to cover up anymore.

AJ's wildly growing patriot network is the #1

... promoter/proponent/advocate for Dr. Ron Paul on the planet. He is the kindling and the core fire of Ron Paul support movement whether he gets or deserves the credit - it's just plain true. Facts are stubborn things and don't always fit into our preferred paradigms.

Ron Paul 2012
The Champion of the Constitution

At the cross Jesus Christ defeated sin, death, hell, and the new world order.
C’mon boys, let’s take the plunder!

New Hampshire

In the process of setting electoral districts, gerrymandering is a practice that attempts to establish a political advantage for a particular party or group.

In exit polls during the New Hampshire primary, www.blackboxvoting.org discovered that there was roughly a 17% discrepancy between the hand counted precincts and the machine counted precincts. (New Hampshire is still one of the few States that has mandatory hand-counts in some of their precincts).

The gerrymandering that took place in a few years before the primary resulted in more delegates weighted in the precincts with machine counts.

Exit polling showed that Clinton and Paul actually won the primary in New Hampshire.

This is what we are up against. Ron Paul can win, but he will have to win by several points.

We don't know Ron Paul's real numbers as they have been faked

and distorted by the establishment. Now that the campaign has hired their own pollster, (Fritz Wenzel Strategies out of Ohio) I expect in the next 2 weeks a much more accurate polling of Ron Paul's true numbers will have the establishment reeling and knashing their teeth. I expect to see his real poll number in excess of 15%..

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A little ghost in the machine glitch. It happens from time to time. Sorry! Open again for business.

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Bravo, its almost 4 a.m here

Bravo, its almost 4 a.m here in California and i just had to read this before going to sleep, thank you for putting in the time to write this wonderful piece, happy 4th of july this is our day make good use of it. Keep fighting the good fight, I will always stand by this message and salute you.

I'm also in CA.

Chico. Happy fourth to you all. Time to recharge the batteries.

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nice..

SEE PEOPLE FROM THE MIDWEST...CALIFORNIANS AREN'T ALL A BUNCH OF HOLLYWOOD LOVING IMMORAL FASCISTS WHO LOVE TAXES LOL JK

THATS RIGHT!

Although...I am originally from the Midwest :)

Me too. Born and raised in

Me too.

Born and raised in Michigan. In exile at Silicon Valley currently. Vacation cabin (and maybe eventual retirement home) in Nevada's high desert.

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"Obama’s Economists: ‘Stimulus’ Has Cost $278,000 per Job."

That means: For each job "created or saved" about five were destroyed.

Sadly, it won't happen (99% chance against it).

In 2008, the rotted, corrupt RNC promised Romney the 2012 nomination if he stood down to let grandpa McCain have it then.

So Romney is the RNC darling who will get the nomination in 2012.

The advantage of that for me is that I can once again give up on politics and go back to my (previously) apathetic ways before I discovered Ron Paul.

Notice I left a little one percent chance for Dr. Paul because:

1. Hope springs eternal and
2. I've had a few beers and am probably not thinking real clearly

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

I Disagree

Anything promised to Romney in 2008 did not take into effect the TEA Party, Obamacare, or the economy.

All three of these things are strongpoints of Ron Paul's.

That's not to say the establishment neocons won't try to force Ron out. They're flooding the market now in such an attempt.

The chances are slim, yes. But no candidate has Ron Paul's support. We are his strength, we volunteer, we talk, we write, we put up signs, we argue, and we vote. We own the internet and the polls.

Ron's numbers are double what they were this time last year.

well see if their promise

well see if their promise holds any ground. because i can promise you that everyone in this community will do everything in our power to not let that happen.