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Jack Hunter: SA@TAC - Constitutional Conservatives?

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I want to address the

I want to address the introdcution of the video.

Jack is once again portraying the founders as he sees them, not as they really were.

A defender of civil liberties? The founders supported slavery.

Deferent to the role of Christianity? Many founders openly despised religion. Certainly few were like the politicians today who want to make America a theocracy.

For hard money? They didn't know anything else existed. It's like saying Jefferson favored a agricultural society; they couldn't really imagine anything else.

Against central banking. Hamilton was the classic example of someone for central banking. Both Washington and Madison approved central banking while they were President.

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Jefferson prefered an

Jefferson prefered an agriculture society, but wasn't opposed to manufacturing. He was well versed in reading the free-market economists of his day: Jean-Baptiste Say, Anne-Robert-Jacques Turgot, Count Destutt de Tracy, and Adam Smith. In fact he conversed with all of these men, except for Smith, and has a bust of Turgot at Monticello. So he could and did imagine a society of manufacturing, not to mention hard money; Jefferson was constantly barraging others about the wretchedness of paper money.

Madison, well, would be considered a flip flop of our day; he constantly was changing his views, but nonetheless, new the dangers of central banking and paper money.

The problem is to lump everyone at that time as one mind.

malo periculosam libertatem quam quietum servitium

I am an aristocrat. I love liberty; I hate equality. - John Randolph of Roanoke


Dr. No,

You should inject a little more "yes" in your response to this one. As pointed out by others, not all of the founders supported slavery. Many had no slaves. Many were against slavery. Many could be rightly considered defenders of civil liberty.

Christianity, I'll leave alone.

But hard money? They certainly did know about paper money. Have you ever heard of the Continental Dollar? They certainly knew about paper money and many were against it.

You should also read Jefferson. He could definitely imagine something different than an agricultural society. That's why he wrote so extensively arguing that an agricultural society was preferable, especially in America (in contrast to the non-agricultural society developing in Europe).

Yes, there was a diversity of opinion. Hamilton was for a central bank.

And especially with regard to slavery (and many other things) it can be argued that the founders failed (or their posterity failed---that's us) in realizing their vision. But at least they did put the vision---the ideas---out there.

woaaw there dig a bit deeper than assumption

Youve got some major reading to do sir...

Alexander hamilton WAS SHOT because of his central banking fancy. Because Centralized power was the entire point, the underlying cause of the Tyranny that was so viguorously opposed by the early americans.

"money changing" Or Money changers were around since jesus' time rememmber when he flipped over their tables in the temple?

The roman empire cheated citizens, devaluing their money by lying about the amount of gold and silver it actually contained, by making alloy coins instead of pure gold or silver coins.

One more point, you're reffering to the "founders" as a collective group,(its not your fault were just brainwashed to think that way) The video is talking about Washington and Jefferson. Please remember that these men were also Individuals with different thoughts and different positions. That's precisely why they designed the constitution the way they did, Freedom of expression, religion, and all the rest. They obviously realized people cannot agree on everything, but reserve their God given rights to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of happiness.

Don't jump the gun. Challenge conventional wisdom for it is not wisdom at all. Think deeper into your assumptions and you can always find flaws.If you want to actually know if the things you may consider are merely "opinion" you have to go through a process and a bit of research.

As I said its not your own fault.Thats the way things are these days everyone assumes everything anyone says is "their opinion". If that were the case everyone's opinion would be their own alternate reality, and not a stance based on any substantial review of facts. (I don't mean this to be demeaning or to pick on you Dr. NO) I just want to help you understand on how to do more effective critical thinking. :) cheers!

Not all the founding father supported slavery...

"If slavery, as a national evil, is to be abolished, and it be just that it be done at the national expense, the amount of the expense is not a paramount consideration."
-- James Madison, Letter to Robert J. Evans

"There is not a man living who wishes more sincerely than I do, to see a plan adopted for the abolition of it." -- George Washington, letter to Robert Morris, April 12, 1786

"Every measure of prudence, therefore, ought to be assumed for the eventual total extirpation of slavery from the United States ... I have, throughout my whole life, held the practice of slavery in ... abhorrence." - John Adams, letter to Robert Evans, June 8, 1819

"It is much to be wished that slavery may be abolished. The honour of the States, as well as justice and humanity, in my opinion, loudly call upon them to emancipate these unhappy people. To contend for our own liberty, and to deny that blessing to others, involves an inconsistency not to be excused." -- John Jay, letter to R. Lushington, March 15, 1786

"Another of my wishes is to depend as little as possible on the labour of slaves." -- James Madison, Letter to R. H. Lee, July 17, 1785 (Madison, 1865, I, page 161)

"American citizens are instrumental in carrying on a traffic in enslaved Africans, equally in violation of the laws of humanity and in defiance of those of their own country. The same just and benevolent motives which produced interdiction in force against this criminal conduct will doubtless be felt by Congress in devising further means of suppressing the evil." -- James Madison, State of the Union,1810

"It is due to justice; due to humanity; due to truth; due to the sympathies of our nature; in fine, to our character as a people, both abroad and at home, that they should be considered, as much as possible, in the light of human beings, and not as mere property. As such, they are acted on by our laws, and have an interest in our laws. They may be considered as making a part, though a degraded part, of the families to which they belong." -- James Madison, Speech in the Virginia State Convention of 1829-30, on the Question of the Ratio of Representation in the two Branches of the Legislature, December 2, 1829.


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