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I'm madder'n a wet settin' hen - Health Care HISSY ALERT!

I am sooooo ill-tailed, I've just been sitting and spinning for almost 2 hours. I'm unsure of what to do with myself so I thought I'd pound it out here.

My husband's annual health care re-enrollment was due today. You would not believe the hoops I just jumped through to "re-qualify" to re-enroll for insurance I've had for years. Being as how I live by the creed "Freedom is not doing everything you want to, freedom is not having to do what you don't want to do", I feel I just allowed myself to be "question-raped". I feel like a biblical "renting of my clothes" coming on. :(

First there was an authorization form that MUST be signed in order to receive "group insurance discount". The form gave consent to collect info, trade info and formed a liability for the policy owner to participate in health programs/classes run by the insurance bureaucrat (not the doctor). I struck the line agreeing I would participate in a diabetes management program, initialed it and wrote "This is what I have a doctor for, no thanks".

The form directed the signer to go on-line and sign up with them. First, I'm thinking "what if someone does not have the internets?" How can they "make you" sign up electronically? (I see this a lot with the schools system expecting everyone's papers to be Word and projects to be PowerPoint with threat of poor grade/refusal if not...)

In the past 3 months, I've been informed by my state run local hospital (as a side-note, also my local bank records) that myself and my husbands medical records were hacked so (they say) now I "need" some crap like "LifeLock" identity protection and they'll pay for it if I just "give consent". [I have NO debt so I have no need to protect my non-existent "credit".] This is a huge scam to get everyone totally (more) tied to "credit score" and create a false need for a new "insurance". I don't know which is worse, the hack or the idea there was no hack but a smooth conversion to becoming a scanable, databased member of "the Beast". So, to say, in light of recent threats to my "identity", I'm extra-wary of signing up with a lot of pertinent info on the internet.

Nevertheless I gave it all up. It was a requirement of my obtaining continued health care (and I just found out within 6 months I have diabetes, so NOW of all times, I need it). You would not believe the intrusiveness of the "questionnaire" so I'll list in shortened form, what was asked:

Phone number
Waist size !!!!
Smoke? How many?
Alcohol? How much?
"Mood-relaxing" drugs?
Ride w/drunk driver this week? !!!!?!
How many miles driven this week?
How close to speed limit?
What type car?
Seat belt worn?
Servings of high fiber food per day?
Servings of high cholesterol food per day?
Floss your teeth? How often?
Wear SPF15? How often?
30 minutes heavy exertion how many times per week?
30 minutes light exertion how many times per week?
Satisfied w/life?
Satisfied w/job?
How strong are social ties?
Describe overall health
Sleep hours?
Quality of sleep
Refreshed upon rising?
Any personal loss this year? (Job loss, divorce, death, jail term)
Tense, depressed, anxious?
Any stress affects over the year?
How much work missed?
Employment status
List of problems/diseases (past, present) check all that apply
Colon cancer screen?
Rectal exam?
Flu shot?
Tetanus shot?
Dental exam?
Pap test?
Breast exam?
How many times visited doctor in past year?
How many times visited ER in past year?
First menstrual period
Age at first childbirth
Breast self-exam?
Household income?
Marital status, race, highest level of education
Personal changes planned for upcoming 6 months: increase physical activity? lose weight? reduce alcohol use? quit or cut down on smoking? reduce fat? lower blood pressure


My first question is: Don't they have all this info on me already? This questionnaire seems to by-pass HIPPA (HIPPA was already a trick too). Can this be any more outright "medically tyrannical"?

My next question is: Don't I have insurance so I can afford a doctor to handle all of the above without a bureaucrat's take? I object to "having" to deal with the persistent and insistent phone calls/e-mails/letters of "jump through our hoops" requests that will come out of "them" "having control of me".

MY HEAD IS ABOUT TO EXPLODE: I feel like calling the benefits department at my husband's work and saying "I'd like to report a rape"....but I consented so I'm disgusted with myself!!! >:(

The HORROR of healthcare is coming!!!

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I'd be livid too

and probably just answer everything YES or NO or N/A to all questions, including questions about height/weight/menstrual period/etc.
Which health insurance carrier is this?

Colchester, New London County, Connecticut

Don't blame you

That is why I opt out of health insurance and take care of myself. I do know the reason they are asking a lot of those questions. It is like life insurance. They want to see correlation between those things and costs (services used) so they can set prices based on lifestyle. I am actually all for that because I am sick and tired of paying the tab for people who don't take care of themselves. However, this is invasive and what you have to put up with, if you want "health" insurance which is actually sick insurance.

Also, as mentioned, diabetes can be reversed and managed through lifestyle. Diabetic drugs actually cause more problems than they fix, like the majority of drugs. There is a book http://www.amazon.com/30-Day-Diabetes-Miracle-Overcoming-Reb.... Check it out. I believe it will arm you with enough information to be successful without having to use medical doctors.

I am in Ecuador and one of the reasons is exactly this; health freedom.


The lip of truth shall be established forever: but a lying tongue is but for a moment...Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are His delight. Prov 12:19,22

gosh, I love southern women,

now, if only I can find me one....that thinks like you do!


Just Curious

By any chance was there anywhere hidden that you could choose not to answer any of these questions. Hint, its usually at the end of the questionnaire.

Sounds like all these questions are for the New FICO health score coming our way. Yup that's what they are planning. Don't believe me, look!



it did have a disclaimer that if you didn't submit you would not get discounted insurance. Our insurance covers 5 family members so I really should get a group discount just for that!

That FICO thingy is horrid. This is exactly a type thing I was concerned would happen yet I didn't figure it down to being a "FICO" type thing but now it makes even more "sense".

To be cataloged or not to be cataloged, that is the question. :(

South Carolina Public School Entry requires i.d. scan-I did not comply period!

Thanks for the link Peggy...I'm sending it to my state senator with a "toldja" graphic. ;) OX for the back-up info.

Freedom is not: doing everything you want to.
Freedom is: not having to do what you don't want to do.
~ Joyce Meyer


that would make be fit to be tied too. I hate answering questions like that because I don't know what they are up too.

"We can see with our eyes, hear with our ears and feel with our touch, but we understand with our hearts."


Check out EFT for dealing with this irritation. We all must pick our battles, and I feel the same way filling out a 1040.

Insurance relies on statistics. Statistics relies on data. It's annoying, but there it is. Cash would be easier.

Anyway, EFT (Dr. Mercola also recommends it) is easy and cheap to do, and works well on stress, and even blood sugar and blood pressure. Also cravings and PTSD. It involves tapping on accupuncture meridians while you're annoyed at the paperwork. You'll still be annoyed on principle, but without the bad physical side-effects.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

I used some EFT type stuff to

"open my third eye" and PHEW!!! Now I know why Bob Marley often covered his forehead with his hand to slow down the "incoming".

Freedom is not: doing everything you want to.
Freedom is: not having to do what you don't want to do.
~ Joyce Meyer


for September insurance re-enrollments....here it comes!!

Freedom is not: doing everything you want to.
Freedom is: not having to do what you don't want to do.
~ Joyce Meyer

This may help with your Diabetes

Preventing or Reversing Diabetes in Six Simple Steps


LOL Buckeye

"Feeling Fatigued or Irritable?" What gave it away? ;)

Thanks for that link. You see the latest Mercola about Splenda? Phew! Absurd New Ways Splenda is Deceiving You I knew it was bad but sheesh.

(I've had insulin-dependent gestational diabetes 3 times and pulled nutritional analysis for a national food service company so I don't need their stinkin' classes!)

Freedom is not: doing everything you want to.
Freedom is: not having to do what you don't want to do.
~ Joyce Meyer

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I'm glad to know you are tuned into

Mercola. Also useful avenues for your consideration would be the GAPS program and Paleo; each case if unique, but I'm convinced it's healthier and works better to find the right diet/lifestyle to handle (and even cure, yes) diabetes that being stuck in the money-medical complex which thrives on prolonging chronic illness (not on purpose as in a conspiracy, but most M.D.s have poor training for wellness.

Yes, it's invasive and only semi-private

The accumulation of data is the unintended consequences of innumerable government interventions, starting with wage and price controls during WWII, tax exemptions, and managed health care laws.

Whenever there is a third-party payer system, the patient will be scrutinized in uncomfortable ways (your premiums are a boost to sales, but your claims are a drag on profits). Since you cannot be refused insurance through your employer, by law, the insurance company needs to factor in all of the possible health issues for your employer's pool of workers so they can come up with an appropriate premium for the whole pool. That means gathering info.

The other option is Healthcare Savings Accounts. Then your health is no one's business but your own. And it's totally 'portable' because you own it. It is unclear to me if Obamacare has destroyed that market. Might be worth checking out.



The doctors are merely computer operators who will follow the directions on their government controlled iPads, cross-referenced with your data.

Perhaps there will be a black-market in health care.

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul