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Help needed. New Politico assertions look false.

POST UPDATE: New Politico assertions are false. Thanks to drheyde for providing the proof. Details in the comment trail for this post.

New Politico article about fundraising. I am biting my tongue because I don't have the actual numbers to dispute what is said here:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/59239.html

The title's about Romney, and the point about him is valid. But what they say about Bachmann here

Towering head and shoulders above the other GOP candidates in terms of money raised from small-dollar donors in terms of a percentage of their total takes is Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.)

seemingly contradicts http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20110715006122/en/Ron-...

Unfortunately, I can find nothing in the FEC reports at http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2011/Q2/ , from which to calculate the number in question, the percentage of donations which are small-dollar. From everything I know about our campaign, we should be creaming all competitors in this respect. We are hurting for clout precisely because we don't have rich and influential contributors like the rest of the candidates have.

If anybody knows a reference for these numbers, or from which they can be calculated, please inform, so I (and maybe some other supporters) can inject some truth into the Politico article comments.



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My conversation with the author

Here are the various back and fowards via email:

1) I'd like to bring to your attention that Bachmann isn't leading in small donors, that in fact if you look at the numbers:

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/candidate.php?cid=N00005906

Ron Paul's Individual Contributions $4,513,666 (100%) -Small Individual Contributions $2,259,452 (50%) -Large Individual Contributions $2,258,984 (50%) http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/candidate.php?cid=N00027493

Bachmann's Individual Contributions $1,639,723 (45%) -Small Individual Contributions $1,092,919 (30%) -Large Individual Contributions $546,804 (15%) Other $1,996,800 (55%)

Ron Paul is leading with almost double the amount raised from small donors. I'd appreciate it if you would correct this. Thanks, Paul.
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2) Author's response: You are incorrect. Bachmann's percentage is only lower because $2M of her cash came from her House account. Of the money raised for the presidential, her number is higher.

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3) Dear Alexander,

Thanks for your prompt reply.

Even though it is true that $1 million out of her $1.6 million came from small donors, which is about 66%. But calling that "Towering head and shoulders above the other GOP candidates in terms of money raised from small-dollar donors in terms of a percentage of their total takes" is pretty misleading when Ron Paul raised $2.2 million from small donors, more than double the amount Bachmann raised which comes to 50% of his total not that far from Bachmann's 66%.

Thank you in advanced for responding,
Paul.

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4) Hi Paul -- I'd encourage you to take that up with the Center for Responsive Politics. I was quoting from their report, which was numerically accurate.

Alex

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5) Dear Alexander,

I am not questioning your numbers, the numbers I am quoting are the same as yours as found in the links in my first email. What I am saying is that it is misleading to portray Bachmann's 66% ($1 million) as "towering head and shoulder's..." above Ron Paul's 50% ($2.2 million). Don't you agree that it is a little misleading?

Regards,
Paul.
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6) Again, I'm telling you to take it up with the source I was quoting. I don't actually find it misleading to say that her proportion of donations coming from small donors was substantially higher than his, though I would agree that Congressman Paul clearly has very energetic grassroots financial support.

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The guy is a real tool, not sure what to respond at this point...

I concede

I concede that Bachmann does have a higher percentage of low-donation donors, which is the whole point here.

I believe that the Politico author, Burns, has now fixed his article to include the statistics to justify the claim above.

I definitely think that a 16% lead in no way justifies the "head and shoulders above" hyperbole. But that is a charge of bias and exaggeration against OpenSecrets, not against Burns, who quoted a presumably legitimate authority. I don't have the original Politico article to compare to any more... maybe somebody else does... but I think he has revised it significantly, because there is a consensus here among many people who read the original article that it did not contain the numerical justification that it now has. Dhust? drheyde?

Re: My conversation

If I understand correctly, you are at this point only pressing Burns about introducing "towering head and shoulder's...". If you are generally giving him a pass by deferring to the authority of OpenSecrets (a plea to legitimate authority, I think), then I think you must grant him this point to, because he takes this conclusion directly from OpenSecrets: http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2011/07/several-presidential...

Mealy mouthed words...

Proportion?

What are they using to measure, school-board rulers?!?

This isn't a valedictorian class.

Rep. Paul raised over two times the amount of small donors, with 2.3 million, and overall a much higher total than Bachmann.

Yea

Just because Bachmann has a slightly higher percentage of small dollar donors doesn't really hold water, when you look at the fact that Ron Paul has double the amount raised from those donors.

If the FEC reports do not include this info, than one can

only surmise that the Bachmann camp is releasing this itself in press releases.

The Paul campaign should respond in kind, and politely point out Politico's error.

Once the info is publicly released, then the rest of us can give Politico hell about it.

FEC's Summary: "itemized" vs. "unitemized"

I believe the split comes from "itemized" vs. "unitemized" on each candidates summary. The #s do seem to match up with what Opensecrets is reporting in their full article at:
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2011/07/several-presidential...
Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas), former Godfather's Pizza CEO Herman Cain and former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich all reported collecting between 45 percent and 55 percent of their funds during the second quarter from donors who gave $200 or less.

Paul collected about $2.3 million from small-dollar donors, according to the Center's research, while Cain raised about $1.1 million and Gingrich raised $921,000.

Paul's #s
http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2011/Q2/C00495820.html#DETAILED

Cain's #s
http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2011/Q2/C00496067.html

Newt's #s
http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2011/Q2/C00496497.html#DETAILED

"Bachmann for President"
http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2011/Q2/C00497511.html#DETAILED

and "MichelleBachmann.com"
http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2011/Q2/C00410118.html#DETAILED

more votes please

so more DPers will see it and will contact/comment Politico and Opensecrets.

"As a sign of grassroots

"As a sign of grassroots support, more than half of Mr. Paul’s presidential campaign contributions were through small donors — people who give less than $200. That demographic supplied Mr. Pawlenty with just 10% of his donations." WSJ

anyone else contact or post comments

to Politico or Opensecrets?

I posted comments to both but for Opensecrets, it said "must be reviewed by moderator before it can be posted". I'm betting they won't post my comments.

I am going to email back the person at Opensecrets that contacted me this weekend.

I just emailed the author and

I just emailed the author and he says take it up with Opensecrets, because its their quote.

Wow...

how obvious can they be? I fear they are underestimating the "sheeple" this time around.

WHO in the world is backing this woman? Is she just in it to confound Ron Paul's efforts?

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Here are the #s from OpenSecrets...Politico lied

they updated their website this weekend after we emailed and posted comments on their facebook wall.

Looks like Politico is trying to say that Bachmann's 30% small contributions are more than Paul's 50% small contributions. Incorrect.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/candidate.php?cid=N00005906
Ron Paul's Individual Contributions $4,513,666 (100%)
-Small Individual Contributions $2,259,452 (50%)
-Large Individual Contributions $2,258,984 (50%)

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/candidate.php?cid=N00027493
Bachmann's Individual Contributions $1,639,723 (45%)
-Small Individual Contributions $1,092,919 (30%)
-Large Individual Contributions $546,804 (15%)
Other $1,996,800 (55%)

Even Cain had more % than Bachmann

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/candidate.php?cid=N00026247
Individual Contributions $2,050,335 (80%)
-Small Individual Contributions $1,146,571 (45%)
-Large Individual Contributions $903,765 (35%)
PAC Contributions $2,500
Candidate self-financing $500,000 (20%)

CRP (Opensecrets) seemingly contradicts themselves

the link that Politico points to at Opensecrets (CRP):
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2011/07/several-presidential...

says this in their article:
Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas), former Godfather's Pizza CEO Herman Cain and former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich all reported collecting between 45 percent and 55 percent of their funds during the second quarter from donors who gave $200 or less.

above where they reference Bachmann. They seem to be contradicting themselves and Politico copies what segment they want.

RE: CRP

It's a shame that Politico displays comments in such fashion as to pretty much hide those after the first 20. Instead of giving the option to display the last 20 under the article, you can only display the first 20.

Paul isn't mentioned in the first 20 comments for this article. To see a word about Paul, one must click the view-comments button, then click to explicitly visit the Politico forum. What proportion of people checking out the news are going to want to do that? Not much.

Thanks!

Thanks for the ammo pack.

Zoomin' myself back over to politico.com now...

I commented on Politico too

saw yours at #26 and I'm at #28. I hope more people comment today.

Lets contact Opensecrets too

like we did over the weekend:

Links to their Contact page, Facebook Wall and Twitter.
http://www.opensecrets.org/about/index.php
http://twitter.com/#!/opensecretsdc/
http://www.facebook.com/OpenSecrets/

Re: Lets contact Opensecrets too

Email sent and receipt confirmation received. Thanks for suggestion.

Hi blaine

I too would appreciate a link to any campaign contribution statisics, including how much the military is investing There is a post up about it, but there is nothing since 2007/8).

(((( hug to you )))

this Q2 data may help

here is Paul's contribution by employer on the FEC site. Of course, if one's contributions don't exceed $200 in a campaign year, they don't have to report their employer.

http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2011/Q2/C00495820/A_EMPLOYER_C...

I believe someone on the ronpaulforums already put together some prelim. #s for the military and compared the candidates.

gathering this data might take a little while because as you can tell from the link, the way the person entered their employer (in this case the military) isn't the same way. Thus, you must look at multiple rows.

*****A QUICK SCAN shows the following (not as high as the person on ronpaulforums but again, this was a really quick scan)*****
ARMY 554.50
ARMY RESERVE 201.20
NAVY 50.00
UNEMPLOYED VETERAN 201.20
UNITED STATES AIR FORCE 451.20
UNITED STATES ARMY 302.20
UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS 301.20
UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS / GSSC 329.00
UNITED STATES MILITARY 380.00
UNITED STATES NAVY 2,877.80
U S NAVY 250.00
US AIR FORCE 3,026.32
US AIRFORCE 212.00
US ARMY 11,057.44
US ARMY RETIRED 201.20
US COAST GUARD 451.20
US MILITARY 551.20
US NAVY 2,320.28
US NAVY RESERVE 801.20
USAF 3,051.28
USAF (RETIRED) 226.20
USMC 713.61

Hi drheyde

Thank you for the link and the quick scan.

It's not very much money. Perhaps Ron Paul needs to do what he can to reach out to troops?

(((( hug for you ))))