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Remember the vote fraud from last election? We need to wise up

We are all hopeful that Ron Paul can win Iowa and I read a lot about our growing numbers.

But non of this matters if the vote is rigged.

Here are a few threads from last time around:

http://www.dailypaul.com/127807/fox-diebold-electronic-vote-...

http://www.dailypaul.com/32800/fox-news-exposes-diebold-vote...

http://www.dailypaul.com/128061/voting-fraud-in-texas

http://www.dailypaul.com/23191/vote-fraud

http://www.dailypaul.com/25530/have-you-read-this-yet-diebol...

Please re-read and re-watch these links and others and ask yourself this: "What am I doing to ensure fair vote counting in my area?".

The establishment will stop at nothing to destroy the freedom movement and they are already well prepared with their vote counting machines that are programmed to pick the "correct" winner as well as their manual counting procedures that were exposed as fraudulent on several occasions at the last election.

I hope this is being discussed and taken seriously in all local meetup groups.

We need to act fast before it's too late.

Any good ideas what we can do?



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Remember the Voting Fraud in New Hampshire?

Search Daily Paul for: New Hampshire Vote Fraud. The result is a lot of articles that specifically dealt with voting fraud in New Hampshire from 4 years ago.

Here are just a couple
http://www.dailypaul.com/23647/nh-voter-fraud-confirmed
http://www.dailypaul.com/30761/update-in-nhvote-fraud-jan-28

What we need to do:
Bring people together in New Hampshire to get an independent count of the votes.

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I think.

Iowa is relatively 'immune' to vote rigging due to the system they have there. Votes are counted by hand, in public, as I understand it.

I am more worried about New Hampshire though. Diebold voting machines to be more precisely.

and that my friend is why FOX News says that Iowa is NOT

representative of the rest of the country. Because they have no control over the results. I think they have to say Iowa dosnt matter because Iowa actually DOES represent a cross-slice of America but youd never know it because the media lies to us about RPs support everywhere else. Its like trying to convince us that 9 year old girls in Iowa are the only girls in the US who like Justin Beiber.

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Here is a vid about the NV caucus. It is an interview of Wayne Terhune who was a great leader for the NV RP movement and organized the counter convention in NV.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1NNrlBtvyg

Thanks for posting this video

It just shows how much more we have to do.

Thanks, Lars.

I refuse to contribute money for just this reason. If the vote fraud had been acknowledged in 2008. amd p[erhaps some suits filed, we would have a prayer this time. I do not think they will allow Ron Paul to win. How many media heads have to tell you "Ron Paul will NOT be the Republican nominee" before you suspect that they are telling you what they KNOW? Maybe they are just trying to demoralize his supporters, or maybe they are laughing at us, because they have contacts with the people who rig the elections and have been assured that Ron Paul will NOT be the nominee.
I will go vote, but circulating FRNs is how we keep the Fed in power, so I do not circulate them unless I HAVE to. (I would not buy new shoes until my old ones literally fell off my foot.)
Here in Idaho, I can't even get the straight scoop on how to vote. They changed the rules up, I wrote the local meetup to let them know something was different. They assured me they were all over it... but did not explain it to me. They told me just enough to realize what I thought I knew was wrong, but I still don't know what the process is. So although I am a lukewarm supporter by the standards of the zealots, I am WILLING to go vote for him, but the zealots are not satisfied with my level of support and so will not tell me how the new process works. I don't know, maybe they are right. Maybe keeping the polling places and dates a secret will foil the fraud....

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

Same here Fishy

I see this as an awakening - not a presidential race. People are waking up. Some are just wiping the sleep off their eyes others have done a whole days work already. But we are all as important as each other.

A five year old is not less than a grown adult. A big tree is not more than a small sprout. We are all the same, just at different levels and on different paths but we are all going to wake up eventually.

So we have to help our fellow brothers along, no matter what. Yes they will rig the vote and they may even kill the good doctor, I don't know, they have done it before but maybe this is different. And if it's not it will just wake up even more to the harsh reality of the fascist dictatorship we call democracy here, in Europe and internationally. Hitler lost but the Nazis won - we now have the society they envisioned. 1984 is here and on steroids and it is getting worse by the day.

I agree with you. Stop taking their money. Stop supporting any of their inhumane systems. That's what I do but we all do things differently and that is the beauty of this freedom movement and also the only non-tactic they can't beat. We are winning, slowly and surely.

Grassroots polling

I'm organizing grass-roots exit polls in my county in north carolina. I'd love to know who else is organizing similar polls and any online resources for sharing results.

Agreed

Since RP supporters are generally internet savvy, there should be some sort of site for voters to record their vote. It may not be completely accurate, but if the "official" vote is way off then it would show.

Great idea

I hope someone with the skills runs with it.

We need some transparency and "they" need to know we are watching them.

Great job

This is what we really need to focus on now. They will rig the voting machines and they will commit fraud counting the votes. If we don't get organized to find solutions to stop them this time we won't win. Simple as that.

And don't forget

Did Ron Paul Win The Louisiana Caucus?
http://infowars.net/articles/january2008/250108Win.htm

Ronald Reagan Wins Louisiana Caucus (huh???)
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/18852.html

Nevada's GOP shuts down state convention early to prevent Ron Paul from winning
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2007762/posts

Voter fraud against Ron Paul in West Virginia (he loses votes on the final tally)
http://www.meetup.com/Harrisburg-Liberty-Alliance/photos/355...

California Election Fraud (those who switched to Rep. in order to vote for Ron Paul not permitted to vote)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWKxwVZmomc

New Hampshire District Admits Ron Paul Votes Not Counted
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2008/010908_dist...

Voter Fraud Against Paul Confirmed in Sutton, N.H.
http://www.ronpaulwarroom.com/?p=655

Greenville NH Vote Discrepancy SAME as Sutton
http://www.ronpaulwarroom.com/?p=754

Clear Evidence Of Widespread Vote Fraud In New Hampshire (Dems do it too)
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2008/010908_wide...

Vote Fraud 101
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/vote_fraud121.html

your 2 links

to NH primary voting fraud are crap. If anything, the NH primary showed how easily any suspicious tallies can be checked (there is ZERO electronic voting)since there is a paper trail for every vote.

h-daddy

Get on your county/state elections commissions.

They won't listen if you're not in their face. Can you say John McInsane, Pelosi, Reid....etc.

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves." William Pitt in the House of Commons November 18, 1783
"I know major allies who fund them" Gen. Dempsey referring to ISIS

ELECTION FRAUD

NOT VOTE FRAUD!

The Abuse of Greatness is when it disjoins remorse from power. - Shakespeare

I guess you are right

Do you agree?

Please study this issue

We need to get organized or they will cheat us again.

Here is more http://www.dailypaul.com/174088/assessment-of-the-situation-...

Yes this is extremely

Yes this is extremely important .... I like the idea with the afidavits. If anyone else thinks this is a good idea could we flesh it out some? I am not a us citizen, just a permenant resident so I am not as familiar with the voting process.

I am guessing we would need a Ron Paul supporter at each voting area in a certain district to compare numbers with the official tally? Is this practical or doable?

This is why we have a pledge.

In our county, we are doing a pledge of every person we come across who supports Ron Paul! They are pledging to not only go to the strawpoll, but vote for Paul in the Caucus. We know we won't catch everyone voting for him, but at least we will have number of people who pldeged to go from; this way we can expect at least X number of people turning out. I know it seems trivial, but it's something, locally that we are trying. Plus we can go back to those people before the primaries and remind them to go vote! Then if the numbers seem way out of proportion from what we have, we can call "B.S.!"

ln

LARS, HERE IS AN EFFECTIVE ANSWER......

I keep posting this and get very little feed back, even though it is THE ANSWER to this problem.

Offered here is an outline to a simple, faster, cost-effective, efficient, easy to set up, tamper-proof and above all -ACCURATE- voting system.

http://www.dailypaul.com/142228/they-say-that-the-definition...

Because: Some animals are more equal than other animals. -Animal Farm-

What the? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MTIwY3_-ks

This is a good idea

However I think those who control the current system like it too much to give it up.

My concern is to find ways to win from where we are, what we have and what we can do.

Thinking of better systems is fun but won't change much if we can't find ways to getting there.

Sorry if I sound negative...

Re: This is a good idea

Thanks for your honest input, but....

Re: My concern is to find ways to win from where we are, what we have and what we can do.

Although I do understand that the elites won't give up the system, I don't get it. Where we are is not only bad, but is an intentional misdirection and manipulation and what we have is still forced computer voting.

There's no way around this. Where we are and what we have must be abolished and an honest system must be established in its place. There's just no other way.

If anyone believes we can work with the system we have, please inform me how, cause I haven't got a clue. If anyone knows of "any other system" that is more accurate, easier to use and less expensive than I proposed, then please, lets hear it.

Because: Some animals are more equal than other animals. -Animal Farm-

What the? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MTIwY3_-ks

We need to find practical solutions

We know the Government and the GOP will cheat.

So what can we do about it?

We know what should be done (paper voting, follow the constitution etc.) but we also know they won't do it.

Here are some practical ideas:

1) Get involved with whoever count the votes in your local community. If you are there you can help make it fair and stop any attempts of fraud or at least bring it out in the open afterwards. Turn up a few people if possible and bring cameras if possible. If we all do this at the local level we can push for accountability. But this won't help with electronic vote counting, so

2) Count everybody who is voting for Ron Paul. Again we have to do what we can locally. If we set up outside the voting place with a sign to ask everybody who is voting for Ron Paul to tell us then we can count the votes in this one location and compare results afterwards. This may reveal some inconvenient truths and even though we may not be able to prove the results it will give a strong indication for anybody who may be on the verge of waking up to the fraudulent system we have.

Under 2 you could ask people to register but that goes against all common sense about privacy and many of the people who know how fraudulent the system is may not want to register with a stranger. Of course if this was organized by Campaign for Liberty or the official campaign this may be different.

Anyway we can't wait for central control on all issues. Turn up at the voting place in your own town and do what you can to hold everybody accountable.

Let's have some good ideas and discuss how we can best DO something.

YES!!!

I wish we would get serious about this. It is not enough anymore to just educate the masses and wake people up. We have to win this time, and I don't see how we can win when they control the vote count.

The WTP lawsuit is great, but hasn't that been going on for like 3 years? Doesn't seem like it's going anywhere and the courts are so corrupt that justice is the exception to the rule rather than the rule.

I agree that official exit polls are going to be rigged to match the official results, and that conducting our own grassroots exit polls on a wide scale, and making it clear that we are going to do so, will make it harder for them and they may not flip as many votes as they otherwise would.

Somebody had the idea last time around to collect affidavits precinct by precinct from people who voted for RP and are willing to go on record with a sworn affidavit. Then compare the number of affidavits collected to the number of votes that were counted for RP. If there were 2,000 republican voters who voted at a precinct, and 1,200 of them sign affidavits that they voted for RP, but the official results only give him 500 votes, then we have solid evidence of vote fraud. If it happens in precinct after precinct, then we can make a huge stink about it.

I think this is what we should do, but we have to get organized, precinct by precinct, and let "THEM" know we are on to their game and are not going to sit by and let them steal another election.

How to fight

computer voting machines?

You see, they have convinced the general public that theses devices are so much better - we would never want a repeat of the 2000 election with all of those hanging chads.

Create a problem - create a solution.
Quite the effective strategy.

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

Exit polls are one simple option

Exit or entrance polls could be organized and performed. I know "independent" businesses and MSM conduct these. If the powers that be were going to go as far as to rig the election, wouldn't they see to it that these exit poll results are fixed also? If they know there is an organized grassroots effort to conduct exit polls (which I'm sure they would), couldn't this put a kink in their plan? Don't know a whole lot about the topic, just tossing out an idea.

I think having

a very visible organized exit poll conducted by the grassroots is a great idea! The results could then be posted on a dedicated website to compare with official results.

The only problem is this is only half the solution. Finding evidence of wrongdoing would ONLY be provable with a paper trail.

I personally think we should eventually have a Constitutional amendment requiring only paper voting. I don't care how advanced technology gets.

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There was a site

http://www.blackboxvoting.org to address this. I don't know their progress, but we should probably look into it!

I am very concerned--not so

I am very concerned--not so much about the caucus, but about the national election. It seems someone from the media counts the votes. I am on a We The People lawsuit to block electronic voting, but not much seemingly has gone on with that. I do not know how to stop this other than going where they are counted to watch. Maybe we can start a movement toward that now. As I recall, it is in New York, but can not clearly remember.