Ron Paul's Statement Against HR 2560, the "Cut, Cap and Balance" Act
Submitted by Michael Nystrom on Wed, 07/20/2011 - 08:09By Ron Paul | July 19, 2011
Mr. Speaker, I rise to speak against HR 2560, the Cut, Cap, and Balance Act. This bill only serves to sanction the status quo by putting forth a $1 trillion budget deficit and authorizing a $2.4 trillion increase in the debt limit.
When I say this bill sanctions the status quo, I mean it quite literally.
First, it purports to eventually balance the budget without cutting military spending, Social Security, or Medicare. This is impossible. These three budget items already cost nearly $1 trillion apiece annually. This means we can cut every other area of federal spending to zero and still have a $3 trillion budget. Since annual federal tax revenues almost certainly will not exceed $2.5 trillion for several years, this Act cannot balance the budget under any plausible scenario.
Second, it further entrenches the ludicrous beltway concept of discretionary vs. nondiscretionary spending. America faces a fiscal crisis, and we must seize the opportunity once and for all to slay Washington's sacred cows-- including defense contractors and entitlements. All spending must be deemed discretionary and reexamined by Congress each year. To allow otherwise is pure cowardice.
Third, the Act applies the nonsensical narrative about a "Global War on Terror" to justify exceptions to its spending caps. Since this war is undeclared, has no definite enemies, no clear objectives, and no metric to determine victory, it is by definition endless. Congress will never balance the budget until we reject the concept of endless wars.
Finally, and most egregiously, this Act ignores the real issue: total spending by government.
As Milton Friedman famously argued, what we really need is a constitutional amendment to limit taxes and spending, not simply to balance the budget. What we need is a dramatically smaller federal government; if we achieve this a balanced budget will take care of itself.
We do need to cut spending, and by a significant amount. Going back to 2008 levels of spending is not enough. We need to cut back at least to where spending was a decade ago. A recent news article stated that we pay 35 percent more for our military today than we did 10 years ago, for the exact same capabilities. The same could be said for the rest of the government. Why has our budget doubled in 10 years? This country doesn't have double the population, or double the land area, or double anything that would require the federal government to grow by such an obscene amount.
We need to cap spending, and then continue decreasing that cap so that the federal government grows smaller and smaller. Allowing government to spend up to a certain percentage of GDP is insufficient. It doesn't matter that the recent historical average of government outlays is 18 percent of GDP, because in recent history the government has way overstepped its constitutional mandates. All we need to know about spending caps is that they need to decrease year after year.
We need to balance the budget, but a balanced budget amendment by itself will not do the trick. A $4 trillion balanced budget is most certainly worse than a $2 trillion unbalanced budget. Again, we should focus on the total size of the budget more than outlays vs. revenues.
What we have been asked to do here is support a budget that only cuts relative to the President's proposed budget. It still maintains a $1 trillion budget deficit for FY 2012, and spends even more money over the next 10 years than the Paul Ryan budget which already passed the House.
By capping spending at a certain constant percentage of GDP, it allows for federal spending to continue to grow. Tying spending to GDP creates an incentive to manipulate the GDP figure, especially since the bill delegates the calculation of this figure to the Office of Management and Budget, an agency which is responsible to the President and not to Congress. In the worst case, it would even reward further inflation of the money supply, as increases in nominal GDP through pure inflation would allow for larger federal budgets.
Finally, this bill authorizes a $2.4 trillion rise in the debt limit. I have never voted for a debt ceiling increase and I never will. Increasing the debt ceiling is an endorsement of business as usual in Washington. It delays the inevitable, the day that one day will come when we cannot continue to run up enormous deficits and will be forced to pay our bills.
In conclusion, Mr. Speaker, while I sympathize with the aims of this bill's sponsors, I must vote against HR 2560. It is my hope, however, that the looming debt ceiling deadline and the discussion surrounding the budget will further motivate us to consider legislation in the near future that will make meaningful cuts and long-lasting reforms.
















How about a cut, cap, REDUCE.
How about a cut, cap, REDUCE. Instead of just "balancing" the budget, we need to start reducing our budget to live within the means of our country. 1%, 2%, 500billion, etc, etc to get the ball rolling in the right direction. Yea it may take 20 years... but can we do it? Yes we can.
Dr. Paul:
I am glad you are saying no to this but please clarify. You have said that you want to cut spending in warfare, corporate welfare, the war on drugs, and other forms of empire building and maintenance, and apply half of the savings to shoring up social security and the safety net for those who depend on other government programs. This is your chance to turn the tide of the election. People trust your word. Tell us that in your first term as president you will not cut any social security, medicare and medicaid benefits.
http://progressivesforronpaul.blogspot.com/
I believe that the recent Cut, Cap, and Balance "Act" (HR 2560)
is different from the Cut, Cap, and Balance "Pledge" put forth by Jim DeMint. Both Ron and Rand signed the "pledge" and Ron is obviously against the "Act". That should tell you all you need to know.
http://dailybail.com/home/hr2560-passes-the-house-to-cut-cap...
"Liberty, when it begins to take root, is a plant of rapid growth." - George Washington
Exactly
Exactly.
Eric Hoffer
http://gplus.to/jamesrmoore
Rand Paul and Campaign for Liberty SUPPORT this...
Just a got a letter in the mail yesterday from Campaign for Liberty, along with a letter attached that was written and signed by Rand Paul. The letters were URGING me to support the Cut, Cap, and Balance.
so, Clealry, Rand and Ron are opposed here.
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There is a prominant website called cutcapandbalance.com
Its pretty well established and has many signers to its petitions - a lot of clubs and organizations have also pledged support. You might want to take a look at the site.
Even THEY are against this Frankenstein bill passed by Congress. They are urging their supporters to contact Congressmen and Senators to oppose and threaten no support in upcoming elections.
They refer to this thing as "Cut, Run and Hide".
can someone explain/help me understand?
wow... I haven't been following the details of all this- sort of just figured that whatever happens/whatever deal they make or bill they pass won't really do anything...
When I heard that the House was voting on/had passed the "Cut, Cap, and Balance" plan, I assumed that it was along the lines of the pledge Dr. Paul had signed- the one put forth by Jim DeMint. I'm still not completely sure if they are the same thing- I'm assuming they must not be, if Dr. Paul voted against this bill but signed the pledge (?). Does anyone know if these are the same thing?
I feel pretty confused about all this right now- it seems like a massive mess (not just the attempts to find a solution, but the problem itself).
However, I trust Dr. Paul so much- based on his unwavering principle and knowledge on these issues- to the point that whatever vote/stance he makes, I assume to be the correct one- he's the expert, he knows best.
It's all greatly concerning however- given what's at stake, it's such a tremendous problem.... I'm really baffled that everything doesn't come to a halt, and the entire nation doesn't engage in a SERIOUS dialog about this. For the love of God- I wish people, the media, the politicians, the voters would listen to Dr. Paul's arguments on this- not so he can get elected- but so we can make the right moves to save ourselves while we still can.
I take it this plan passed (?)- but that it does little if anything to solve the problem? Does it make it worse? I don't even know at this point- everything seems pretty futile, what with the size of the problem we're facing combined with the system and people in office.
I think people are willing to
I think people are willing to have a serious dialogue.
It is just that any serious dialogue needs to include tax hikes, military cuts, Medicaid cuts, and discretionary spending cuts including corproate welfare.
Half of America is against tax hikes (for themselves. Of course everyone wants to tax the rich. May be justified, but not coming from a rational point of view).
Half of America is against any significant military cuts.
70% of Americans are against Medicaid cuts. 60% against ending unemployment benefits. Medicare cuts are STRONGLY opposed by the elderly.
95% of Americans want to cut discretionary spending, there is very little consensus on what to cut. Farm subsidies and oil subsidies, something that the average American should hate, have a 20-30% favorability. It shows you how hard it is to get things done.
Forget the lobbyists and special interests.
The American people for too long have been getting dollars on their pennies in taxes. They do not want to take their medicine.
Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:
Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...
Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a
Ron Paul on PBS Newshour - 7/20/11, Wed. Check Local Listing
listing..
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2011/07/ron-paul-on-prop...
Factually wrong; Medicare
Factually wrong; Medicare doesn't take up 1 trillion/year.
Overall his message is a good one, but Paul has to realize things aren't going to go his way. He has to comprimise somewhere. This bill doesn't go nearly far enough, but I'd like to see a proposal put forward by him.
Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:
Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...
Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a
We can't compromise principle.
We have to address both warfare and welfare state spending. The compromise isn't something like this. The compromise that needs to occur is cuts in BOTH military and welfare spending. No more games. We need to actually address the issues at their root cause.
We can't balance the budget without changing our foreign policy.
I see your point, it is just
I see your point, it is just that Ron Paul isn't going to get cuts to the measure he is talking about. You have to raise revenue, and even then, you are not going to realistically balance the budget. Forget lobbyists and special intersts: the American people have become to used to low taxes and high spending that they cannot take their medicine.
Half this country pays no taxes. The richest Americans pay very little in taxes. You need to smoothen that curve out.
Also, in my view, Ron Paul is fundamentally wrong in that you can't cut EQUALLY from the two. Our military budget is FAR more bloated than our "welfare" budget. And in my view, cutting social security is a tax hike. People have paid into it; you already are getting less than what you paid in for the most part. If they take even more away, that is just a retroactive tax hike. This is a fundamental, logical point that Ron Paul himself has made in the past. The fact that he seems to be changing his tune on it is very disturbing...he wants to essentially raise taxes under the guise of social security cuts.
Other than that, you could get about 45 billion/year from balancing Medicare, 300 billion from eliminating Medicaid, and 150 billion from eliminating unemployment, both of which are at all-time highs because we are in a recession. The latter two cuts will have a drastic effect on the economy. Cutting people off medicaid without some other kind of health reform is going to end up in disaster.
My plan to balance the budget would be this, in a very simple form:
Cut non-military "discretionary" spending 75% (take mostly from DOH, DHS, etc.) = 350 billion
Cut military spending 66% (600 billion)
Cut Medicaid 50% (150 billion)
Cut unearned unemployment 33% (50 billion)
Balance Medicare (50 billion)
Cut some other welfare (50 billion)
End the Bush tax cuts, raise top marginal tax rate to 45%, change capital gains to 25% (one year), 15% (two years), 5% (three years) and 0% afterwards. (~500 billion)
That would balanced the budget with a slight surplus.
A more achievable proposal would be:
Cut non-military "discretionary" spending 25% (take mostly from DOH, DHS, etc.) = 125 billion
Cut military spending 33% (300 billion)
Cut Medicaid 25% (75 billion)
Balance Medicare (50 billion)
Cut some other welfare (50 billion)
End the Bush tax cuts (~300 billion) which would still leave you with a trillion dollar deficit.
Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:
Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...
Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a
How is it you conclude revenue needs to be increased?
We already have more government than we can stand. The problem is that they spend, spend, spend, and when government spends it allocates resources to collectivist "products", few of which are legitimate. In actuality, only defense (not militarism) and a few administrative functions like ambassadors and courts are legitimate. Militarism, welfare, the government health and pension systems (Medicare and Social Security), interference in free markets, a host of "departments" and the Federal Reserve should not exist.
If you think the government needs more taxes you are just rubber stamping the fascist/socialist system; your position on taxes is anti-liberty.
People have already been screwed by being forced to pay FICA taxes to fund Social Security and Medicare. This money is gone; you have already lost if you plan on getting these promised "benefits", so when the check does not arrive, it is just confirmation that you have been swindled. The only way for old people to get benefits is for money to be taken from the young, just more theft.
The debt limit should not be increased. On the contrary, a plan to liquidate existing debt out of existing revenues should be in place, and if it cannot be liquidated, then it should be defaulted upon. Government revenue should not be increased. Spending should be slashed down to a small fraction of the current level. Let the cards fall where they may, and after the sharp pain of debt liquidation medicine the economy can then recover.
Getting out of this mess will not be a comfortable experience, but adding more debt to solve the excess debt and excess levels of government spending only keeps us in the mess, with all the attendant human suffering.
And remember that government as it exist today is the destroyer of freedom. This whole debt extension issue is about how to keep the federal government in existence doing what it does, plundering and controlling.
I find little merit in your "need more revenue" position.
"The deepest sin against the human mind is to believe things without evidence." Thomas H. Huxley
I understand that you think
I understand that you think Medicare and Social Security should not exist. Regardless, people have paid taxes into those programs. I don't want to cut the services to those people unless I cut revenue.
Where did that money go? Why can't we recover that money? If you take that 2.5 trillion dollar surplus in SS and give it in tax cuts to the rich, corporate welfare, etc; why can't you get it back from them? Isn't that wealth redistribution?
My ultimate position is that if you have big government spending, you need to increase taxes. We get about 1.2 trillion in income taxes and corporate taxes every year. Subtract the mandatory cost of paying the debt, and we have one trillion left over. There is no way you are going to cut government spending down to one trillion. It just isn't going to happen. In lieu of that, increase taxes. That way, people can feel the pain. The money comes directly out of their paycheck; everyone's paycheck. It doesn't come silently through inflation.
Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:
Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...
Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a
I am with you on this Henry.
I am with you on this Henry.
"Ineptocracy: a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confisc
What about Bachmann's NO vote on HR2560? MSMs lovin it!
What about Bachmann's NO vote on HR2560? The MSMs lovin' it, saying "Presidential front-runner an tea party champion Michelle Bachmann (and some guy called Ron Paul) voted NO on the Cut-Slap-an-Cuisinart Act."
Did she really vote no on it? And, was it merely to deflate Dr. Paul's principled stand against the status quo, which she, by the way, upheld when she voted for the extraconstitutional unPatriot Act?
"Cowards & idiots can come along for the ride but they gotta sit in the back seat!"
Better Delivery!
Ron's getting better at speaking even in the HOR! ;) Generally, Ron enunciated much more clearly and spoke much more slowly. Notice those pauses, too! Dramatic ... and I haven't even mentioned his content which is always A+! Go, get 'em Ron. Soon, you'll leave us all spellbound when you speak. :) Seriously, I appreciate Ron's commitment to winning the nomination...
He seems to be far more ready this time...
GO RON GO!
But that man should play the tyrant over God, and find Him a better man than himself, is astonishing drama indeed!~~D. Sayers
There is no difference between an authoritarian government from the right or the left...F. A.Schaeffer
This bill is just more Washington deceit.
My personal opinion is that these sociopaths will keep on with the tax, print, borrow, spend insanity until the country collapses in civil war or revolution.
As I have said in many post on this site, this government cannot be brought under the control at the voting booths. This is legislation voted upon with the new "Tea Party" representatives a significant factor, and look at what they have given us. They are either idiots or more likely just the tried and true neocons masquerading as freedom loving, small government patriots.
The pain and suffering will continue, and increase until it exceeds any possible pain that could come from violent revolt; then nature will take us down the path of least resistance.
"The deepest sin against the human mind is to believe things without evidence." Thomas H. Huxley
I've said it before and I'll say it again
At least one guy has the rocks to get up there and tell it like it is.
So He is for the idea of
So He is for the idea of Cut,Cap,Balance just doesn't like this particular Bill. I suppose I can buy that
www.middlegroundpolitics.wordpress.com
This statement ...
could produce the next "Rudy's reading list" moment at the next debate.
Great Job Dr. Paul.
WAHOR!!
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/48994
Thanks for the post!
Michael, you're the man! Threw on c-span to see what nonsense was going on and saw them "debating" this. Found myself wondering what Dr. Paul had to say about this. Dropped in to my favorite site and, like magic, here it is.
NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.
father against son
of course Ron Paul is right and Rand Paul is wrong. GDP will be manipulated, and stipulating 18% max essentially means that you will never see government smaller than that.
Link?
Link to the source for the text, please.
"Know what you know, know what you don't know, and understand and appreciate the distinction."
Minarchism
track
"Con, Crap and Bull."
The PROPER name for this so-called bill.
lol
lol
What's the dilly
Ok, then why the Hell is the Campaign for Liberty with Rand Paul's support sending me a huge packet of info. supporting Cut, Cap, and Balance---and wanting me to send in $300, $200 or $100 dollars??!! And wanting me to contact my Reps and Senators in support of this bill?>??>!
Here's the deal on the supposed discrepancy...
C4L’s position on the debt ceiling has always been; no deals, cut spending, and balance the budget. While C4L still supports the “Cut, Cap, and Balance” pledge as first proposed – promoting substantial budget cuts (at the very least cut the deficit in half for FY 2012), enforceable spending caps that would trigger automatic reductions whenever the cap is breached, and sending a BBA to the states for ratification – this proposal did not make the transition into the bill being considered in the House.
The House’s “Cut, Cap, and Balance” bill, while maybe not objectionable in its goals, does not adequately address our nation’s fiscal crisis. Instead, it leaves us with paltry spending cuts ($111 billion of the FY2012 baseline), unenforceable spending caps (ignores Social Security, Medicare, and military affairs – while capping the “Global War on Terror” at $126 billion dollars for next year alone), and handcuffed what type of BBA the Republicans are willing to consider.
Ok
Thanks for the explanation.