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Forbes: Don’t Get Caught Holding Dollars When The U.S. Default Arrives

http://blogs.forbes.com/greatspeculations/2011/07/23/dont-ge...

Greece can’t solve a problem of too much debt by taking on even more. We will note, however, that by some measures, the United States is even more deeply in hock than Greece.

Greece’s debt-to-GDP ratio is 143%. America’s is officially 97%. But the $14.3 trillion national debt, stacked up against a $14.7 trillion economy, doesn’t tell the whole story. Look at these numbers:

• $14.3 trillion: “official” national debt
• $5 trillion: Amount Uncle Sam is on the hook for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
• $62 trillion: Total liabilities and unfunded obligations for Social Security and Medicare

That doesn’t count the black box of bailouts.

We know how much the Federal Reserve doled out in emergency loans: $16.1 trillion between Dec. 1, 2007, and July 21, 2010. We know that because yesterday the Government Accountability Office completed its first-ever audit of the Fed, made possible largely through the persistence of Rep. Ron Paul (R.-Tex.) making that audit, however incomplete, the law.

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i would invest

in gold and silver but i have nowhere to put it.

Hold on to your dollars!

Forbes of course has this dead wrong. Everyone should hold on to their dollars and should be accumulating more of them if possible. I think what they meant to say was that the federal reserve notes and bank accounts with federal reserve member banks (BofA, CHASE, Wells Fargo, etc.) that only allow withdrawal in federal reserve notes are going to further decline in value due to the fact that more of these federal reserve liabilities are being created every day to finance the massive deficit spending in Washington D.C. by the legislators. While federal reserve notes and bank accounts are denominated in dollars they are not worth their face value. Dollars of course are silver coins. See seventh amendment to the constitution, and Thomas Jefferson 1784 Notes on Coinage and the establishment of a money unit "A dollar is a known coin...If we determine that a dollar shall be our unit we must say with precision what a dollar is".

Huh?

Dollars are not silver coins. Where does it say on the FRN that it's redeemable in silver? If it's redeemable, tell me where I can go and do that. There is no government silver stockpile to match the current money supply.

A dollar is officially

A dollar is officially 1/42.2222 ounce of gold. It was devalued from 1/35th to 1/38th of an ounce of gold shortly after Nixon "temporarily" closed the gold window, almost 40 years ago. Later it was devalued to 1/42.2222. But of course the gold window never reopened.

It's Happening

The markets are already beginning to react to a potential default as the price for gold is over $1600/ounce. Track real inflation of US dollars in terms of a valuable commodity like gold. ;)

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... Sell Illusion. Purchase Reality ...

We've built a society on such absurdity. Just as money exists as a claim on a borrower's economic output, government sustains itself by claiming more of the future economic output of the people it supposedly represents."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robin-koerner/sell-illusion-pu...

Succinct wit.

Thx.

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The scare about a technical

The scare about a technical default reminds me of the Y2K fiasco.

Bankers: no limit upon themselves. An 18th Century charade.

The Year 2000 fiasco (French word to describe Italians making French linguistic errors. Circa 18th century.) was about scaring folks to upgrade software & things related. The Italian Government did nothing. They were fine. They also got the last laugh as the whole world used an Italian word to describe that foolish global scare.

The French & the Italians are laughing at our charade about putting a ceiling our our mythical debt. Money would be better spent by roofing with 50 year shingles. Let no liquidity soak through our ceilings.
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fi·as·co (f-sk, -äsk) n. pl. fi·as·coes or fi·as·cos
A complete failure.
[French, from Italian fare fiasco, to make a bottle, fail, from fiasco, bottle (perhaps translation of French bouteille, bottle, error, used by the French for linguistic errors committed by Italian actors on the 18th-century French stage), from Late Latin flasc; see flask.]

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Will share!

Will share!

I can always count on you my friend

Thank you
enjoy your Sunday evening!

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On the contrary, dollars are what you do want to be holding.

It's Federal Reserve Notes you don't want to be caught with.

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Right: Money that is the real money.

Stand alone money: gold and silver.

hahahaha

good point!

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thank god i dont have many

frn's to begin with LOL

LOL

Freedoms just another word for nothing left to lose.

♫ Federal Reserve Note" is just another freedom lost! ♫

[Victrola sparkles to life with "Me & Bobby McGee" ballad, by Roger Miller, 1969.]

♫ "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose." ♫

Windshield wipers slapping time. Holding banker notes, not mine. Notes ain't worth nothing, but their debt...

♫ Federal Reserve Note" is just another debt, ain't freedom lost! ♫

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and thanking Kris as well...

"Fiat's just another word for take us at our word,
Our money's backed by our integrity.
If you can't trust your government then who can you believe?
When nothin's backin' up our money scheme?"

West of 89
a novel of another america
https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/161155#longdescr

Friends & Family take my money.... Good times & otherwise.

No matter the money system is make-believe to many a friend or family. When given a choice between money vs a witty remark, my nieces will smile & take my silver dollar every time. Sets a man to thinking.

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I like your songs Mark

Can you sing something about gold the real money?
Enjoy your evening!

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The Great Dictator (Diktátor), 1940. Czech subtitles.

Story teller by trade.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yypR80BLEo4&NR=1 10 minutes

    The Great Dictator (Diktátor) - 1940
    Director & Writer: Charles Chaplin
    Cast: Charles Chaplin as Adenoid Hynkel (Adolf Hitler)
    Czech subtitles.

Charlie Chaplin has great speaking parts. You can brush up on your German, whilst we await further super congressional news.

Na zdraví! Pozdravem.

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Herren Garbitsche und Herring...

...ist rautten fruten und rannsedt tjizen krakkers.

West of 89
a novel of another america
https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/161155#longdescr

Mixing German, French & English is sure to start trouble.

I am wary of standing between sworn enemies.

Fruté!

... fruits pourris et rance craquelins trahison

... rotten fruit and rancid treasonous crackers

Note: Any slander is incidental among warring nations. No implied linguistics nor treaties apply.

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legalize, my father in law was in communist Poland

as a child, but he came to a completely different conclusion than you, unfortunately. He is now passed on, but till he died, he was trusting of the govt. and he was for all of the socialist plans, and thought that socialism was wonderful. Fortunately, for me, his son, my husband didn't inherit his viewpoint, and is a Ron Paul supporter.

Thanks for the story

good to hear your husband woke up...sadly not all people do.

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Nobody knows how this will all play out.

The nation's money supply is bank debt. Under this system, in order to increase the supply of money new loans must be made to some individual, business, or government. This makes the debts OF the banks go up by the increase in the money supply, and also makes the debts TO banks of either individuals, businesses or government go up in an equal amount. Since the federal government is the most hungry debtor and stands first in line to borrow (as long as they increase the debt ceiling) it will just become more indebted, and the current scam will be perpetuated for just a little longer.

When individuals, businesses and government pay back debts held by the banks or interest thereon, the money supply decreases with "out of thin air" money going back to the netherworld from which it originally arose.

And then there is the velocity of money. If people and businesses sit on what money they have the overall supply could go up, but prices could go down from lack of spending, even if the government increases spending.

It is a complex system (fraud).

We know that a huge number of banks in the US are insolvent, i.e., they have more debts than the value of their assets. They have glossed over this by valuing their assets at fantasy numbers with the complicity of their accountants. What happens if people start to fear that their bank will fail and they won't get bailed out by the FDIC which is also insolvent, and backed by an insolvent government. Most people are under the delusion that Federal Reserve Notes are money, not realizing that they are just un-payable debts of the Federal Reserve Bank. It is conceivable that people would want to hold these in preference to a checking account or savings account and would run the banks. This would wipe out the ability of banks to make new loans because it would deplete the reserves against which they make new loans, so a deflationary collapse is just as likely as an inflationary blow off. It is also possible that if prices start to pick up, people will take money out of the banks because they won't want to hold large checking or savings account balances, which would have the effect of making money supply expansion much more difficult for the banks.

Additionally, formal default by the federal government could cause the money supply to be wiped out because it could take out the banks and eliminate the checking and saving account component of the money supply.

For an inflationary blow off to be highly likely, the federal government would need to change the way money comes into existence. They would need to start printing their own paper bills and spend them into existence. Unlike the current loaning of money into existence, there would be no associated debts taken on by individuals, businesses and government so the deflationary drag from the requirement of debt repayment would no longer exist on the new money.

So what will play out. Will your checking accounts and savings accounts become worthless because your bank fails and the FDIC cannot step in? Will Federal Reserve Notes have any value if they become the only remaining component of the money supply? Will a banking collapse damage the economy to such a degree that the economy grinds to a screeching halt, resulting in social chaos? Will the federal government try to issue its own greenbacks and will a Wiemar Republic hyperinflation result? Will the federal government even survive?

I don't think you can really know, but the longer the resolution of the debt crisis is pushed into the future the bigger it becomes and the more destructive will be the collapse.

We don't have reliable money. We have been swindled by those occupying the seats of power colluding with the banks to impose upon us an unconstitutional, unstable, unsustainable, predatory monetary system for the benefit of the banks to the detriment of the general public.

Do not automatically assume that the money supply will become worthless from hyperinflation because it could just as easily become worthless from banking system collapse.

"The deepest sin against the human mind is to believe things without evidence." Thomas H. Huxley

Unknown unknowns

“...there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns... the ones we don't know we don't know.”
—Donald Rumsfeld

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Man. The comments show that

Man. The comments show that even educated people are not getting this..odd.

education system sucks

none of them experienced it as I did when back in at the time communist Poland -- they can't understand what it means that one has to buy a fridge today because tomorrow it's price will be higher...and the day after tomorrow there will be no more fridges in stores only in the black market for yet vastly higher prices.

Thanks for a bump Crickett.

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Willful ignorance?

:/

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