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Rand Paul's Reaction To Father Ron Paul's Grand Showing At The Ames Straw Poll


Air date August 13, 2011

Rand Paul Reaction To Father Ron Paul's Grand Showing At The Ames Straw Poll

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Rand Paul Should Run For President In 2016

If Ron Paul decides not to run for re-election or if Ron Paul doesn't win the nomination. Rand would get the vote.

Can't wait until hannity is

Can't wait until hannity is off the air.

Hannity is an idiot

Notice how Hannity uses words like "followers" like if they were some cult following.

Rand is more effective in conversion than Ron

Now maybe I'm going to get those dreaded thumbs down for saying this but please think first.

Ron doesn't "convert" many people; he AWAKENS people who have had enough of DemoPublicanism and, perhaps, never really realized that the DemoPublicans are more alike than different (DemoPublicans want LESS freedom and more government -- they differ only in where the freedom should be taken away and the government intervention added).

Ron Paul's biggest problems with attracting Republican voters remains the same as in in the 2008 campaign: (1) Many Republicans want a strong military and (2) Many Republicans want the party to stay out of the abortion issue; they are Republicans for economic reasons or military reasons or other reasons. Ron Paul, principled and straight talking man that he is (God Bless him) can't CONVERT these people and most of them can't bring themselves to give up on their stances on these two issues (My Dad is one of them).

Two, imo, FACTS:

(1) IF RON PAUL EXPLAINED HIS MILITARY POSITION AS MORE AN ATTEMPT TO KEEP THE MILITARY STRONG BY CONSERVING RESOURCES HE WOULD PICK UP A LOT MORE "CONSERVATIVES". A bankrupt country can't remain militarily strong and attempting to remain policeman of the world is actually CONTRARY to remaining militarily strong. It is also, of course the case that being capable of strong military action DOESN'T correlate to being strung out into hundreds of economically draining but militarily irrelevant posts around the globe and that being capable of strong military action WHEN NECESSARY doesn't correlate to fighting all the time in multiple skirmishes (that is call diluting your forces on multiple fronts and is a classic military blunder).

(2) IF RON PAUL SIMPLY STUCK WITH HIS PREVIOUSLY STATED POSITION THAT ABORTION IS A STATES RIGHTS ISSUE HE WOULD PICK UP A LOT MORE VOTERS. The FACT is, as Ron has said repeatedly and as evidence indicates, it is unlikely in the extreme that Ron Paul, as President, would ever get a bill on his desk allowing him to sign into law an overturning of Row vs. Wade. So, he opens his mouth on this issue (as he did in the Iowa speech) and turns off many of his own supporters and chases away many people who would otherwise likely support him.

God bless Ron Paul for being so honest on his personal feelings but re-framing these two issues would dramatically increase his appeal and chances for being elected. I believe Rand Paul also is against military waste/dilution and against abortion. But Rand has a better tact.

Goethe said, "The thing which matters most must not be at the mercy of things which matter less." Oblio said "Pointing everywhere is the same as pointing nowhere." I say: I vote for shrinking our military footprint because, as the USSR demonstrated, an overextended country cannot remain militarily strong, no matter how many H-bombs it owns. And abortion, pro or con, is -- AT THIS POINT -- a DISTRACTION from the more important issue of Constitutionality/liberty/economy. In terms of electability it is, imo, foolish for Ron Paul to not re-frame his presentation on these two issues. I wouldn't say Rand is more of a politician or less principled, I'd say he displays more common sense regarding priorities and delivery.

Flame away but please THINK first.

Bill of Rights /Amendment X: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Do you need a politician or judge to "interpret" those 28

Sure, he is probably a better

Sure, he is probably a better speaker than Ron. But so are so many others. BUT, Rand is NOT a libertarian, and I am a libertarian. I didn't vote for Ron Paul because he was a Republican or a conservative. I would never vote for any of those. I vote libertarian and have for 15 plus years. Ron Paul IS a libertarian which is why I support him. Plus Rand is much more of a politician than Ron. And I dont like that.

I think there is a disconnect between the conservatives that support Ron Paul and the libertarians.

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

I am a libertarian and I think Rand is, too.

I agree with you about the disconnect between Conservatives and libertarians but I see that more as a gap to be closed than a necessary divide. I am a libertarian and I believe Rand is one also. What is your filter for ideological purity and what does it get you?

What are "Conservatives" CONSERVING by bankrupting us in endless war? What are they CONSERVING in wasting liberty (the OPPOSITE of government, btw, if you simply look at word roots) and the Constitution?

How much liberty are libertarians losing by losing election after election with their insistence on philosophical but impractical purity? How much has Libertarian Party advanced in terms of political power in the time since its conception and how much real liberty has been lost?

A LOT of Libertarians are "pro-choice". A LOT of Libertarians still want a strong military. As you probably know, you cannot classify all political ideologies on a left-right axis (check out alternatives and straighten out peoples' thinking at http://issuepedia.org/Political_ideological_spectra). Failure to grasp the bigger picture and allowing ourselves to be distracted from "the thing which matters most" at any point is specifically how we and our liberty have been Shanghaied.

Bill of Rights /Amendment X: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Do you need a politician or judge to "interpret" those 28

Rand is slowly educating and winning acceptance

Rand does not hit people in the face with their disagreements. He looks for the points of agreement and brings people half-way towards his position. He does not abandon his position, but he seeks the point of possible agreement and moves people in his direction.

People are not all jerks. They perceive things based on the education and media they have been conditioned by. Between the two Pauls we have a great model with some personal differences of how to stand for principle without bashing opponents. We are trying to win others to our position--not drive them away by telling them they are jerks.

Like it or not, Rand Paul is getting lots of coverage from Hanity that is moving thinking in his father's direction. Much more effective than snowballs...

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Bachmann supported Patriot Act.

Rand said that Ron Paul and Michelle Bachmann are only SLIGHTLY different. I would say that the Patriot Act is a HUGE DIFFERENCE! How could Rand say that???!!!!
Why didn't Rand point out their differences. It seems to me that he's showing support for Bachmann since he said that Ron Paul and Bachmann are only slightly different.


He's Not Supposed to Be Showing Support

He's not there to do an advertisement for Ron Paul. He's there to make sure that the Revolution gets its proper recognition. This movement is not about a single person, it's about the People.

If you add the two front-runners together, it was a landslide for the Tea Party, and the Revolution.

There is plenty of time for Perry and Romney to point out Bachmann's flaws and for Ron Paul to shine.

Further, you don't win over her supporters by calling them idiots for following a woman who used to work for the IRS, etc.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

Im sorry, I know I will get

Im sorry, I know I will get thumbs down, but I have to be honest... Rand is NO Ron!!! he is way too much of a politician for my taste. If he wasn't Ron's son, I wouldn't even pay attention to him. He seems like he panders too much. Saying that there is not much difference between his dad and Michelle... IS RIDICULOUS!!!

Now give me the thumbs down... all you idealogues... I can take the heat, as long as I stay true to my LIBERTARIAN views and beliefs!!

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

I gave you a thumb up.

Ron Paul is the only politician on this planet I have respect for.

..so did I, and I am NOT a

..so did I, and I am NOT a Libertarian.

Right, Bachmann voted the

Right, Bachmann voted the Bush line.

malo periculosam libertatem quam quietum servitium

I am an aristocrat. I love liberty; I hate equality. - John Randolph of Roanoke

Hannity wants to look like a

Hannity wants to look like a good guy. I notice that the topic quickly switched from Ron Paul's 2nd place showing in Ames to all the things on which Hannity agrees with Rand...Rand was gracious, as ever...

We are the media!

Bring our troops home today, Ron Paul 2012!!!

That was great...

I wanna slap that piece of dung Hannity upside the head and say, "Thanks sh thead."


But other than that it was a great interview.

Thank God, Rand gave some

Thank God, Rand gave some more direct answers, instead of the "well, its interesting.." Actually, he still did it a bit...LOL

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

wait whut? did hannity just

wait whut? did hannity just 180?

this seems weird to me seeing hannity talk so glowingly about the paul family. it was not long ago he was trashing talking paul.

must only be because of

must only be because of #winning

That was a love-fest from Hannity

toward Rand - IMHO. I don't know how Rand does it - but he does. I'd like to see him show a little more passion toward his Dad when they criticize him.... slowly add some over time.
Make sure Hannity knows that Rand believes Ron is HIS president. The way I see it, Hannity is a Rand Paul fan - that's good.

Watching him interview Rand is probably the only time I can bear to watch him. I saw some more of him and his panel on a different part of his show tonight. I was highly disgusted with what they pay those snakes to say about Ron when asked. I can't even go into it - it was that bad.


With tea party candidates coming in 1st and 2nd in the Iowa Staw Poll it is going to become increasingly difficult for the major media outlets to marginalize Dr Paul and Michelle Bachmann all the while creating the Rick Perry illusion on the fly ... they have their work cut out for them.

It's a lot easier for Rand

to remain cool and reserved when dealing with neocons like Hannity. Rand Paul road into power on a popular wave of discontent that was fueled by his father's efforts over the past three decades. Rand has waved the Tea Party banner since day one, and is protected by it.

Ron on the other hand, has never won an election as a "Tea Party Candidate". Despite the time having come for his ideas, he's still seen as fringe. Most of it has to do with his demeanor -- his fighting spirit. He fought virtually alone in the Congress since the 1970s over all the issues that the Tea Party has taken up as their cause today. Of course he fights like a lion. He HAD to. He continues to. He fought, and Rand simply doesn't have to.

That said, Rand has an enormous shot as president in the future. He simply needs to want until his father finishes his 8 years in the White House.

"He simply needs to want

"He simply needs to want until his father finishes his 8 years in the White House."

We will be lucky to get even 4.

The Paul's Compared to The Founding Fathers

Dr. Ron Paul= Thomas Jefferson
Dr. Rand Paul= Andrew Jackson

Jefferson/Jackson: Destroyed the Banks
Paul's: Related Father and Son working to destroy the Banks

Loving it

The central bank is an institution of the most deadly hostility existing against the Principles and form of our Constitution. I am an Enemy to all banks discounting bills or notes for anything but Coin. If the American People allow private banks to contro

I would say Ron is more like

I would say Ron is more like the samual adams. The fiery, principled, unrelenting revolutionary. Rand is maybe Jefferson?

Why didn't Hannity have Ron

Why didn't Hannity have Ron on???? WTF?

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

Ron Paul makes Hannity feel

Ron Paul makes Hannity feel like a sniveling, naughty schoolboy. Hannity likes Rand because he mistakenly thinks Rand sympathizes with neocon war issues. He has always given Rand a pass and its great because if and when Rand runs for Prez, he will have all the free press Hannity will give him.

One of Rand Paul's better moments

He spoke alot better here without beating around the bush.

Ron Paul : Gods Prophet For The Restoration of The Republic

When Ron Paul was born, God broke the mold...Rand has a long way to go, and I respect what he has done thus far, but I will always love and respect Ron Paul above all else, because he has the heart of a Male Lion, and gentle loving spirit..

Ron Paul delivers the spear to the heart and Rand delivers the dove..

That was just great..

very good interview...just imagine that he is talking about our tea party, and not the corporate TEA PARTY