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Blowback begets Blowback

I had the unpleasant experience of getting into my car with Neal Boortz on the radio this morning just in time to hear him complaining at length about Ron Paul supporters.

What he doesn’t acknowledge is that the media mis-treatment of the Paul campaign generates blowback from Paul supporters in the form of hate mail and calls. If the media treated Paul like any other Republican candidate—you know, report on his activities, success, etc—there wouldn’t be all of this negative reaction from his supporters.

But these supporters also need to realize that lashing out at talk show hosts and reporters generates its own blowback. Boortz is reacting very badly saying he’s less inclined to cover Paul because of his supporters’ rude actions.

So I’m here trying to appeal to Paul supporters to focus on the positive. Compliment reporters when they show fair coverage. Pass out Ron Paul tip cards and slim jims, etc., etc. (See this earlier posting for other ideas: http://www.dailypaul.com/172337/101-things-you-can-do-to-pro...)

Please no more name calling, ill motive accusations, yelling at reporters and all the rest. Thanks.




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Still

much ado about nothing.
Just a cover story by outsiders.

Get back to work, and stop telling others how to conduct themselves.

Some people want to defend the actions of the trouble makers....

Look, it doesn't matter what you think. Whether or not you think that people shouldn't be shallow and base their opinions of a candidate on their supporters, THEY DO!

If you want to WIN, you're going to have to be political. You're going to have to tailor Ron Paul's message to the audience you're talking to.
For example: If you're talking to a pro-choice group, you're not going to talk about Ron Paul's pro-life views. You'll probably talk about his views on government/marriage because they probably are also pro-gay rights.
If you're talking to Christian conservatives, don't start talking about his gay rights views.
If you're talking to a TEA Party, make sure to talk about his consistency on fiscal issues.

And SHOW RESPECT! People DO NOT respond to name-calling. They WILL associate a candidate with their supporters. If you don't start respecting other people when talking about Ron Paul, you WILL cause Ron Paul to LOSE because we won't be able to gain enough support.

Dr. Paul is the example...

Ron never calls anyone a 'douchbag' as I saw a Ron supporter do in comments on a public site yesterday. He doesn't rave about 'Zionist Jews' as I also saw yesterday. There are people who will never consider Ron because of the behaviour of some of us. The comments about the appearance of the woman from REASON (who might have actually voted for Ron after Gary Johnson drops out) were atrocious.

We must be civil because civil discourse is effective. Part of Ron's appeal is that he aloof from that kind of mud wrestling. We, as his representatives, must be too.

ecorob's picture

think about what you just said...

"There are people who will never consider Ron because of the behaviour of some of us."

really?

let me put myself in that situation...let's see, would i not vote for a candidate because some of his/her supporters were "over the top"?

heck, no, i'm not that shallow so i respectfully disagree with your premise as it has no basis in fact connected to the candidate only a preconceived notion to dismiss, imho

the number of people who "may" be of this/your opinion in so inconsequential as to not warrant our worry

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

People vote based on all kinds of reasons

including their impressions of the candidate's supporters, unfortunately. As examples, a long time friend of mine told me she voted for President based on a candidate's voice reminding her of her grandfather's voice, and I saw a girl on TV supporting Obama because he "busted a move" on Ellen. A certain percentage of voters vote based on a candidate's policy positions; a larger percentage of voters vote based on other things...

"i'm not that shallow";

but unfortunately much of society is that shallow and need very little nudging to turn one way or another.

I say represent the man you support - take his lead and act with decorum, respect, and intelligence. If anyone has the right to lash out it is Ron Paul but he doesn't - why should we?

By long forbearance a ruler is persuaded, And a gentle tongue breaks a bone. Proverbs 25:15

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
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Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

I disagree with you

Candidates are often associated with the absolute worst of their supporters in the minds of non-supporters. You and I may not be so easily swayed but look at the history of the average American voter. Bush? TWICE?

Easy for you to say.

But if you were being subject to abuse by the supporters of another candidate, it would be natural human instinct for you to turn even more against that candidate.

You've been ZAMPED!!!!!!!

1000 Times Yes!

We must treat others with respect even when they don't respect us or Dr. Paul. It will go a long way.

ecorob's picture

fallujah...

most of us remember this name, right?

the city in iraq that was a "hotbed" of insurgency?

well, i had a very sad "awakening" today...i spoke with a former "soldier" who talked very candidly about his time in "fallujah" when the "fighting" was going on

he said to me, matter-of-factly, that there was a STANDING ORDER to KILL ALL military age males in fallujah

give yourself a second to let that thought sink in and then ask yourselves who the "new nazis" are
ask yourself who the new "pharoah" of egypt is that would decree that ALL military age males be summarily KILLED

having trouble answering that question?
look into the mirror!
this is just one of the many reasons why I support Dr. Paul

and, as it relates to this post, how much "blowback" did that create?

which general or potus gave that order?

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

Worse than that

Women and children were given the choice to leave their husbands and fathers to go out on their own with no hope for a future knowing they were to be killed, or stay with them and die along side them.

Genocide.

Genocide.

Genocide.

And now, in the aftermath, the people who managed to survive and live have just about the highest cancer rate on the planet and their children are born with horrible birth defects at a rate higher than probably anywhere else on the planet.

The genocide continues even after the bombing has stopped.

Why don't I feel proud like the majority of people in America, as well as most politicians, of what we did there? Maybe I still have a little bit of a soul or a little bit of empathy for my fellow man. What is wrong with me?

Out of Words

Nothing's wrong with you. You're being human. I don't know what else to say. I have no more words to describe how I feel reading your comment and the one above it. I don't know what else to say.

School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of thinking. -Me

Study nature, not books. -Walton F. Dutton

We must be careful...

and act civil, but the fact is, even receiving email that is thoughtful and persuasive is viewed as hate mail by these people! And don't let Boortz fool you- he has been anti-Ron Paul all along. By pretending that he would cover RP, he's just trying to get people to lay off. And it's not worth our time, just turn him off!

But Boortz, Medved, and the rest of the Salem radio neocons write constantly, and go out of their way to malign a good man! These are the people who insist that the GOP is significantly different than the Democrat party- they are the crutch for this broken two-party duopoly.

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We know that Ron Paul and the

We know that Ron Paul and the campaign don't have any connection to these grassroots and we don't have any control over it, but some can be a little tad bit overzealous that that it could potentially do harm.

Let's try to be humble and polite when promoting Dr. Paul and not try to lead a negative obnoxious campaign. Let's not reduce our criticism of candidate to something low like name calling and never attack their supporters. If someone says false about Dr.Paul humbly and politely correct them. If they continue to spread lies, that should be an indicator that they are a troll and automatically lose credibility. In that case, correct them as much as you can, and move on to ppl who may be interested.

Remember folks, our goal is to expand our support base. The supporters of the other candidates should not be seen as competition, but as potential convert. We can win this by expanding our support base and picking off supporters from the others.

It's cool there are those that are enthusiastic and we done well because of it, but please exercise some restraint. :V

Leadership by example

is what makes Dr. Paul stand out from "the rest". His supporters would do well to do the same. Education, not defamation....

WWRPD

What would Ron Paul Do?

EXACTLY! Ron Paul is a real

EXACTLY!

Ron Paul is a real gentleman and every time we talk about him, we are representing him. He would never do half the things his supporters do, and it turns a lot of people off. We need to stop this and maybe, more importantly, we need to denounce these people when they act like nut jobs.

I would add

signs in illegal locations to the list (e.g. stapled to light poles). I heard people complaining about this today when I was working at the Republican state fair booth. :( I tried to defend Ron Paul and the campaign, saying it had nothing to do with the campaign and was just individual supporters, but they argued with me and said the campaign should do something about it, at least tell their supporters not to do that kind of thing and try to take them down if possible. This was not anybody from the party, just people stopping by the booth. Sigh. It's frustrating how a small group can ruin things. I do understand why people feel the need to do this though, because their voices aren't being heard. But unfortunately, whether deserved or not, we now have a reputation and have to work extra hard to prove it wrong. Same with the debates/events -- no yelling things out, especially at random times. Cheering is one thing, but we don't need to yell out "Ron Paul!" at random times or that somebody's lying, etc. Then again, maybe a Ron Paul supporter didn't do that but somebody in a different camp who was trying to sabotage us. Who knows; I think we just need to really be on our guard because a lot is at stake.

Agreed

Got to put on our best Sunday outfits on as my Grandmother says.

Allow me to point out

I think you are ignoring the obvious in an effort to be positive. These people DO have bad motives and all the courtesy in the world will not make them cover Ron Paul.
It's probably true that toning down the bad language and insults is a good idea, but they will never be induced by good manners to do their duty.

The Ron Paul Supporter vs. Claims about The Ron Paul Supporter

There is

1) the Ron Paul supporter

and

2) claims the media personality makes about the Ron Paul supporter.

It's a good idea to have those facts in your mind. As for supporting the claim, has the personality given evidence?

If not, his claims are void substance. They're bunk. Case Closed.

From what I've experienced, I've not seen or heard an interviewee or a caller supporting Ron make blustery remarks. Not from 2007 to today. Not one.

To state X without providing opportunity to refute X is absurd, and the person who does that is engaged in slander, which if thought about shows exponentially more about him than the subject he's slandering and eventually will lead to his destruction if for no other reason than people witnessing his slander don't want it in their lives. They shut him out or off or whatever.

To the person who makes unsubstantiated claims on this subject, where is your evidence?

School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of thinking. -Me

Study nature, not books. -Walton F. Dutton

Twitter

I heard him mention that he has received obnoxious "tweets" from supposed Paul supporters, along with e-mails which included name-calling.

Also heard mention that he has deleted some of the more unsavory tweets.

Personally, I don't know. Bueller? Bueller?

-m.

-Michael
(I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken)

Tweet, Tweet: From One Birdy to Another Birdy

Eggggsactly, Michael. And I heard you say you heard him say something. LOL. Perfect answer, Michael. Good one!

School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of thinking. -Me

Study nature, not books. -Walton F. Dutton

For ProWar Boortz just write him directly and say..

Sorry Neil, I don't feel threatened from invasion.

Sorry Neil, I don't feel there would be a muslim jihad from radical Muslims if Americans where OUT of their countries.

Sorry Neil, I don't think it should take trillions of our tax money to get a couple of thousand religious nutjobs.

Sorry Neil, I just don't think my tax money should go to Nation Building and boarder protection of other countries.

Sorry Neil, I just don't agree that Americans should even bother with Muslims at all, and so we should close our bases down from around the world and just defend this county.

Sorry Neil, America has millions of threats, but the biggest threat is the threat of bankruptcy and that comes from too much welfare spending and warfare spending.

Sorry Neil, I just don't agree with you, unless you start talking like Ron Paul again.

Sorry Neil, .....

CROWD CONTROL and CROWD Perception. Have these sentences written down. Then when the chance comes, speak up and say them. Let have someone else in your dispersed group IMMEDIATELY chime in that they agree. Then again someone else agree from the other side of the room, then the middle, then the front, then the back. Once 5 or more of these comments are made in this fashion, the WHOLE CROWD and even the Speaker will feel and THINK that the whole crowd HOLDS that opinion. That is how you shape crowd opinion. If one person does stand up to say the opposite, "I think we should invade countries, nukem, whatever it takes".... have one select person stand up immediately and point their finger at that person and VERY loudly say "YOU are A DISGUSTING MASS MURDERER!!! YOU Give US all a bad name!!!!!" No one after that will take that position, not even the speaker who will have assessed the crowd and now, reconsidered what he / she was going to say.

The crowd may be 100 or 1000 people, but all that it takes for crowd control is 5 o 6 well placed people who know what to say and when to say it.

The radical progressive socialist left does this ALL THE TIME, you should recognize quickly when its happening to you. It happens MORE TIMES than you realize, it even is used by BOORTZ on his "call in show".

Get it?

In peace and liberty,
Treg

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Write directly to your media person a 4 paragraph letter.

Use the Sandwich technique.

1st Paragraph: Start with a compliment. Find SOMETHING, ANYTHING, and compliment that.

2nd Paragraph: explain the event or thing or words that induce you to write. Example: I read with interest your desire that we have more taxes and a more progressive rates on the rich.

3rd Paragraph: Ask Questions. Make your point through QUESTIONS: Here is mine today I wrote to an admitted progressive on Facebook:

Mary I understand you would like to raise taxes. May I ask you when would govt be big enough in your opinion? What is a progressives ideal of right level of taxation, 50%?. Further, if as you say we have an oppressive world military corporate empire, would not MORE taxes to the current Washington regime just continue fueling this bad behavior that you despise? Do not more taxes mean that more well connected big corporations like Haliburton and Bechtel getting more "contracts" or taxes of ours? When will you say, "Ok, now govt is now big enough". Do you not see Ron Paul as the only true Anti-War "bring em Home now" candidate, even more anti-war that Obama? Do you still believe President Obama is pro civil liberties or do you believe Ron Paul has him beat on that score too? Do you consider it different if GW Bush and Cheney bomb innocents from 33,000 feet from above, or if President Obama does it? Moreover, do you really think that given what you know of Dr Ron Paul, he would continue the Bush-Obama military industrial complex? Do you consider Obamacare more important than bombing from 33,000 ft in the air innocent Libyans, Iraqis, Afgans, Yemenis, Pakistanis? Is that not a trade off Obama has made? Is that the trade you'd make, killing innocents or helping Americans with health care? Do you know Ron Paul wants to save all the trillions in warfare to spend it shoring up our entitlements at home for those dependent upon it? Has not Obama kept GW Bush's policies in place? Is not Obama in some ways worse since real civil libertarians real anti-war liberals fail to speak up? Doesn't his broken promises on War and 4th amendment rights, and the resigning of the Patriot Act just piss you off? Do you still think Obama is "Change" or is he not just "more of the same"? Yes, so you want higher progressive taxes, I hear you, but how high is enough? Most of all, would not more tax money sent to Washington's WallStreet-Military-Banking Corptocracy just continue this corrupt form of Crony Capitalism? this Warfare-ism? this imperialism? Since we both really care about people, should we not want to STOP funding their oppressors? Ron Paul is against NAFTA but here is Bush & Obama all for it, does that not interest you? Here is Ron Paul for ending the Drug War, does that not excite you? Further, CAN YOU SEE and AGREE that the more tax money we send govt it just goes to the Military Corporatocracy, increases Imperialism, Funds and Grows the evil Drug War? Can't you see that more taxes from we the little people, we the middle class and we the professional class just keeps the elite oligarchs in power? Granted you want a better progressive system, one we currently do not have, but how can you want to feed the existing system THAT WE HAVE NOW with MORE taxes?

Then end with the 4th Paragraph with Compliments. Reuse the ones from the first paragraph. Always thank them for taking their time to answer your questions. Never say F**K you or name call. Always allow them the space that they care and you care, we just need to get this right.

Now that is how you cause ideologues to THINK and perhaps come around to your way of thinking. That is how you win friends and influence people.... great book by the way...one we all should read.

Treg

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tamtamfreedom's picture

Neal Boortz is rude....

Did you actually hear the caller that was on just before Neal began his tirade about Ron Paul supporters?
The guy was positively as polite and calm as anyone could be, he asked Neal why the "corporate media" ignores Ron Paul, he also asked if he thought Dr. Ron Paul was electable and if not why. And what did the Ron Paul supporter get in return....RIDICULE! Ridiculed because he used the term "corporate", ridiculed because he used the term "Doctor" to describe Ron Paul, and name calling..."Paulistas...etc. Mr. Boortz says Ron Paul is not electable because of his supporters, I call this complete BS, I'm getting very tired of being called the "nut parade, Paultards, Paulistas, and everything else. I've never once called these guys or emailed them with nasty remarks, as I am sure 99.9% of Ron Pauls supporters have not.
If fact I'm beginning to wonder if all this animosity towards these so called "rude" Paul supporters is nothing more than a complete fabrication and just an excuse they use to keep from discussing him. The Paul supporters that I have met and been around have all been polite and genuinely kind. Exhuberant-yes! But not the crazy people the talking heads keep trying to portray us as. In fact they turn around and do the same thing to the Ron Paul supporters that they have a fit about the Democrats doing to the so-called "Tea Party" groups. They are hypocrites all of them and I am totally fed up with their games.

You broke the code

We live in 1984.

*May the only ones to touch your junk, be the ones you want to touch your junk.*

No, I missed the caller and Boortz's initial reaction

but I still think it's not wise for supporters to be rude, name calling, etc.

tamtamfreedom's picture

I agree with you....but,

have you ever actually heard anyone call on his show that was rude or called him names that was a Ron Paul supporter, or are we to just accept as truth that that is what Paul supporters do. Why do we all just accept it as fact that this is the kind of emails they receive, and calls they receive...
How does anyone no for sure who it actually sitting behind that keyboard that sends a rude message and claims they are a Paul supporter.

Politeness counts. Act like Ron Paul.

I guess we should all conduct ourselves like Ron Paul - or try our best. He is always polite and well-reasoned. He is even-tempered and rational. This post makes a good point. We can and do turn people off to Ron Paul with impolite or aggressive behavior. But as someone said below, that shouldn't mean we have to stop voicing our opinions and concerns to these people.