The Role of Government Teachers' Indoctrination
This article about students going to the Iowa caucus angered me. I read the article thinking that it might have to do with students preferring Ron Paul. Instead, it was about a "Government Teacher" teaching the students about (the need for more controlling) government and then sending them out to vote.
In a country with 90% of the students indoctrinated by the government, the title of the teacher as a "Government and Special Education Teacher" is redundant. Most teachers, and certainly "Government Teachers" drill it into young minds that government is necessary and must nanny state them all.
So first he "discusses" with them (using positive and negative reinforcement) how critical government programs are, without menitioning their ineffectiveness, their extremely high cost, the immoral source of their revenues, their undermining of personal responsibility, etc. Then he gives them class credit to unleash his philosophy into the caucus to repeat his bromides.
We must free the children from the constant government indoctrination bombardment that the government must have greater tyranny. For what is taught early in school is difficult to question and such questioning is required for the Freedom..
re[love]ution,
Dennis
"The best way to insure implicit obedience is to commence tyranny in nursery." - Disraeli
To Jane on her rant against collective projects and group learni
Yes, I can see that you have clear ideas of what should and should not be taught in school.
That is what is great about freedom -- everyone could educate their own child how *they* think the child should be educated. For example, you focus on basic elements and I could focus on wholistic motivation.
The problem with the current system is that it has to be one-size-fits-all 150M children. And then we have to get into some sort of big political battle to see who can wrest the power over the other's child. And when the dust settles, I'm controlling your child, or you're controlling my child, or, more likely, someone else is controlling both of our children.
With freedom, we could just avoid all these gigantic political battles. I might argue with you and say "Motivation". You might argue with me and say, "Fundamentals". I might suggest Evolution. You might counter with Ceationism. I might say More Music, and you More Science.
But it wouldn't have to come to blows. Because you'd be free to lead your family to follow your beliefs and I mine, that is, after the ...
re[love]ution,
Dennis
"The best way to insure implicit obedience is to commence tyranny in nursery." - Disraeli
Don't Vote For Ron Paul for anything less than
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Dennis
Oh my! great sequitor...
I just responded to the post about the Pope and whether he was part of the problem. My thoughts then went on to how we must fight this revolution in every sector of our lives.
For me, a great part of my battle was fought in the classroom in public education. I was going to make sure I incorporated this idea into any 'continuing the revolution' threads I wrote.
Here is what I observed about education, along the lines of what I told the reporter who quoted me about the UN flag at school:
1) Most teachers are not political and have no agenda whatsoever. They may subconsciously accept the 'agenda' because they are young and just out of school themselves, but most do not push politics on their children. This might be different in high school and college where kids are older and starting to become politically aware.
2) Most teachers are unwittingly promoting the 'agenda' as they are trying to be good teachers. I always used to say it was hard for me to be a good teacher and a good employee at the same time because so many of the things I was asked to do are contrary to a child's good education.
3) Most of the 'agenda' is due to the treaties we've signed with the UN, which then turn into federal legislation, and are implemented through monies and/or directives handed down to the local school departments. Nonsense such as not being allowed to make lines to the restrooms by gender, (even though the destination was not the same!) because it was 'gender preference' (Good grief, talk about recipe for chaos) to sex education programs and racy books for pre-schoolers being placed in the library, were all things we had to endure.
When I pointed out these things my fellow teachers were amazed and used to ask me how I knew ahead we would be asked to do certain things? I simply said, I follow the UN, that's how.
Needless to say I can't tell you what hell my life was like at work for the last 10 years I taught. And this was only first grade. I saw a frightening transformation of the administration and how they interacted with the teachers, and it was obvious they had been trained to be ready for the process of dealing with our digging in of the heels, whereby we had to undergo extensive brainwashing under the guise of 'school reform'. I constantly felt like we were having psychological experiments and hypnotism done on us.
Once again I am heartened by the knowledge of the people in this group and even more optimistic as I watch how others new to the revolution are beginning to connect the dots...and get angry...and get motivated.
The Revolution can and MUST continue.
Check the writings of these 2 esteemed teachers/ whistleblowers
1. New York award winning teacher John Taylor Gatto
(do a google search)
2. Charlotte Iserbyt (THe Deliberate Dumbing Down of America) - can read it free online on her site
Iserbyt
She is the best. You would do well to read Iserbyt, Schlafly and Joan Veon, who actually infiltrated UN meetings, to come out and tell all.
be careful
what do you mean by 'government teacher'? i teach in a public school and, like over 25% of my colleagues am NOT a democrat. let's not make assumptions or jump to conclusions, there are a lot of teachers who are interested in Dr. Paul's message.
The caption called him a "Government Teacher"
because he teaches "government"
and because many teachers are pro-government and indoctrinate children to idolize government, in another sense, they could be called "government teachers"
and being employed by the government also makes one, in yet another, but basic, sense, a "government teacher"
So, in title, occupation, and philosophical bias, he is a "government teacher".
That being said, there are obviously teachers who never mention government (or even who might suggest now and then that government is not always the solution), or who do not teach Government-as-Diety to their captured students, or who do not work for the government.
The confusion with over-loaded, ambiguous term "government teacher" can be avoided by separation of government and education after the ...
re[love]ution,
Dennis
"The best way to insure implicit obedience is to commence tyranny in nursery." - Disraeli
Don't Vote For Ron Paul for anything less than
Re[love]ution & Renaissance
Dennis
Tough debate
Parents need to direct this debate. NO ONE ELSE.
If you want something for your child...get it. The children whose parents are involved in their education score far higher than those who's parents leave it to the state.
It is up to the parents to care for their children.
T
Unify
Where have you found your teachers?
I have been a teacher for over twenty years. I teach in the public schools, but I am not a government teacher. I am a very, very good teacher, and I keep my job because I do what I do very well. MANY of us are libertarian or just plain anarchists (what I will become if Ron Paul is not elected). I totally enjoy encouraging students to THINK. Not all of us are nanny state programmers.
Secondly, the majority of today's students are . . . well . . . lazy, and there is no reason to think nanny-state teachers are any more successful at indoctrinating their students with the nanny philosophy than they are in indoctrinating them with algebra, biology, or English.
What has made the students who are government lovers that way is what they have grown up seeing at home: unwed sister on welfare (welfare for sluts), whole family on Medicaid and food stamps (welfare for the lazy), brother in the army (welfare for the mercenaries of the military-industrial complex), grandparents on social security(welfare for the old), etc., etc., etc. Being not too bright, immoral, stupid, lazy, and having a sadistic streak pays off!! It's all around them.
true enough
There are many good teachers in the public schools.
I contend that it is an institutional problem, I think that the schools often don't want too many smart children, they don't want too many questions.
Sure, there are teachers that buck the system, that think about how children learn, But They are not rewarded by the system. even my kid, who is not lazy, has decided that they don't really want the students to be too smart, and ask too many question.
Not only are they not rewarded, they are often crushed.
At the Gatto seminar, several teachers talked about trying to implement Gatto's type of teaching (experiential project in the child's area of passion) and what had happened to them. The stories would have been humorous if the results were not so sad.
You can also read Rafe Esquith's (E.g., Teach like your hair's on fire) to read about what faces many unusual teachers. Of course, Rafe thinks that the solution is simply getting the right politician involved in 'education'. I think Gatto is smarter about what happens when you have a central dictator telling teachers what to teach and children what to learn.
God bless all the good teachers who are out there bucking a system that not only ignores them but actually penalizes them. And it's great that there are exceptions to the rule. But the system must be overhauled by the...
re[love]ution,
Dennis
"The best way to insure implicit obedience is to commence tyranny in nursery." - Disraeli
Don't Vote For Ron Paul for anything less than
Re[love]ution & Renaissance
Dennis
That's the problem!
The 'experimental' stuff is just what makes it tough to actually teach as it is part of the 'agenda' of letting the kids run amok so that they can be programmed and come away without the knowledge they really need to think for themselves. What 7 year old do you know can be thrown in a corner with a book, who will learn to read alone with no instruction? This is what the reading program became.
My wife is also a
My wife is also a "government school" teacher. Unfortunately, here in Virginia, teachers have to teach certain things so their kids can pass the "Standards of Learning" tests. She hates it because she doesn't have time to teach anything except what is required on the tests. No thinking or learning, just memorizing what the tests require. It's terrible!
We don't need no education
Best song ever on how the schools try to brainwash the kids.
One of my kids scores in the top 1% every time he takes our state test. He is in 6th grade and testing at 13th grade. So I decide that this year instead of spending 3 days testing, I would take him to the library or a museum. Maybe I would even teach him about the Federal Reserve System. I talked to the school about taking him out on those days and they freak out. They guy starts spewing all this no child left behind crap. I mention how at this point I don't know how he could be left behind. He starts yelling that it's the law and how when he returns he will be pulled from class and forced to take the test.
Clearly the education of my son is second to some BS law. I had to laugh later. Are they going to come and throw us in jail if we refuse to take the test?
Your smart kid's good test
Averaged-in with the tests taken by more-dimwitted kids, equals money for the school district. The administrator would never put it in those terms, but it's about money, I'm sure, unless we're talking a private school.
JMR
Home Schooling/Excellent Thread
This is a few days old, so you may have seen it. Can you believe Homeland Security classes in public school...that being "great" as it represents a growing job opportunity field. . What a case for home schooling.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-12-10-homeland_N.htm
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This is just one of the reasons
I like being free to homeschool my daughter..can anyone name a 2nd Grader (from a public school) who can read , knows her/his state capitals, and can tell the difference between fiat ,commodity, and receipt money? The public schools not only dumb children down to the lowest common denominator, they indoctrinate them into a socialist-materialist mindset. My child (and other homeschooled children) receives the values of her parents, and that's the way I like it.
But that man should play the tyrant over God, and find Him a better man than himself, is astonishing drama indeed!~~D. Sayers
There is no difference between an authoritarian government from the right or the left...F. A.Schaeffer
My son isn't "homeschooled"
My son isn't "homeschooled" as such, but he does stay at home with me. He's only 2 years old, and he knows all of his letters and can count to ten. Many people think we should have him in a preschool. I prefer to teach him myself. He already amazes people with his knowledge, and I think it's because he's learning from mom and dad, not some "official" school. That being said, we will probably put him in a private Christian school when he's old enough.
I ask you
please consider homeschooling your beautiful little one. Check out the Homeschoolers for Paul link on Ron Paul 2008. He seems to be doing just fine with you.
But that man should play the tyrant over God, and find Him a better man than himself, is astonishing drama indeed!~~D. Sayers
There is no difference between an authoritarian government from the right or the left...F. A.Schaeffer
Is there a Future Homeschoolers for Ron Paul?
I am looking to meet a future potential homeschooler. Do most women who end up helping out homeschooling know they want to do that before they meet their husbands? What about situations where the father does most of the homeschooling? Aside from Ron Paul meetups, where are good places to meet single likely future home schoolers?
I wish I could, but I also
I wish I could, but I also run a business from my home which is growing by leaps and bounds, and I already have to take him to a sitter a couple times a week so I have time to make house calls. My wife currently teaches 1st grade in the "government school" system, and needs to continue teaching until the business is stable enough to provide for all 3 of us. I do trust the private school that we will likely send him to, as it is run by our church. Even with that, there are quite a few home schoolers in our church. I think he'll do fine anywhere as long as we continue to teach him here at home. The thing most parents forget is that it is THEIR responsibility to teach their kids a lot of things, not the school's. Most parents don't take any responsibility for their children. That's the problem my wife comes across most often. The parents send their kids to her class, but don't want to help them when they're home.
"can anyone name a 2nd
"can anyone name a 2nd Grader (from a public school) who can read , knows her/his state capitals, and can tell the difference between fiat ,commodity, and receipt money?"
Sadly, I doubt many high school students could tell you the difference between fiat, commodity and receipt money.
The problem is the monopoly of teacher accreditation.
The organization most responsible for all of this are the accrediting agencies -- google NCATE. This national organizations draw their money from the feds, and their authority from academia - what university would not want a program accredited, they fear they will loose students if they are not accredited.
I don't have time to go into the details here, but the authority of these organizations is growing. They are getting more and more involved with what and how Public school teachers are taught, and even the moral behavior of these students. The more sycophant education profs buy into this controll is a big way, to the point that they have denied education degrees to students who have posted pictures of themselves at a college beer party ? ? ? This control has even resulted in suicides of students who have not quite lived up to the squeaky clean, don't question authority image. .
education
In 1984 I took my then two children out of the public school , 5th and 7th grade, to home school them. The private Christian school curriculum I was using was too difficult compared to the public school curriculum because my children now had to think for themselves. I spent the first year of their homeschool just teaching them how to think for themselves. Evidently the govt. schools do NOT do that. My last four children have never seen the inside of a government school. They grew up knowing how to think.
Under the guise of 'choice'
What is being taught in school is groupthink, and that the success of the 'whole' group is more desirable than the individual. Thus a child can be involved in a group project and never learn anything, or, be the one who does all the work.
Likewise, teachers are put in 'teams' similar to the gulag mentality. If one of us would deviate and do things the way we saw to be correct, the others would tell on us and bring us down....and be threatened with the whole group being chastised.
Just like the chain gang...
May i ask....
what curriculum?
But that man should play the tyrant over God, and find Him a better man than himself, is astonishing drama indeed!~~D. Sayers
There is no difference between an authoritarian government from the right or the left...F. A.Schaeffer
several
sonlite was a reading one
we did a couple different ones. I like abbka most of all.
I got a degree in teaching. Math and reading most important. Let them run with thier intrests. Our oldest ran with the egyptology thing for a year started devouring college level books.
Read works of shakspere over that 12 year old summer cause we ran out of books. she did it on her own.
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I have 6 kids. Ended up sending them to privite school. My oldest at 12 tested a college reading level. I had no TV for many years. Recently moved and did not move TV service. In a few short months found Ron Paul and now am proudly a revolutionary.
TV is evil! the opiate of the masses! nerosis of society!
Standfast in the liberty wherewith you have been made free! Gal 5:1
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I was preaching to my father in law
last night about how my creating a charter school was not going to help much. First, I couldn't play the political hoop jumping game. But the other point is what if my goal were to teach
- Love of Learning
- Ability to think
- Passion for your Interest
- Ability to research
What if I wanted a project based school that focused on individual intersts for experiential learning?
In the government monopoly, those skills and characteristics are not measured or deemed important for charter schools -- only rote knowledge of facts. Well, KIPP teaches rote knowledge well, but I would rather my daughter homeschool than have to go through that program. (And, that is just *my* preference.)
What we need are quite different schools with quite different goals and quite different measures of success for a real...
re[love]ution,
Dennis
"The best way to insure implicit obedience is to commence tyranny in nursery." - Disraeli
Don't Vote For Ron Paul for anything less than
Re[love]ution & Renaissance
Dennis
Some basics are important
In order to think for oneself one must have some basic knowledge such as math, reading, the skills to research etc... But this is not being taught because everyone is subject to 'cooperative' learning. Their cooperation is more important than whether they accomplished anything individually. It is just teaching them to be good worker bees, and not necessarily advanced.
So this thing with offering the kids to do things that ONLY fall within their own interests and are exclusive of the basics is harmful, but hey, it promotes the agenda. Keep 'em stupid, but keep them coopertive. Get it?
As a homeschooler there is no way my children would not learn the basics of reading, writing, math, and in an organized and individual way. It would be like pairing your 12 year old up with your 5 year old, letting them do a project about measurement, and having the 12 year old do all the work and get an A while the 5 year old sat and watched, did nothing, and learned nothing.
Project based learning is only as good as the skills behind it.
It's YOUR job to educate your children.
Not the school's. If you let them teach your kids the party line(s), it's your fault.
You have to teach them yourself. Help them to help themselves later. Teach them how to think critically. Teach them to seek the facts out, and to use good moral and ethical judgement. To not do so is to leave them primed to be enslaved.