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AHA - The Truth laid bare in the Kokesh/Benton/RP flap!

The following information has just come to light regarding the recent divisive flap between Kokesh/Benton/RP

http://www.usasurvival.org/docs/fec-complaint.pdf

It is imperative to read this document.

Adam Kokesh errored by linking his efforts on RT to the official campaign, thereby placing the PEC (official campaign) in potential legal jeopardy.

Regardless of whether or not you like RT or like and agree with Kokesh as I do, I'm sure the campaign did not appreciate having to deal with this potential legal headache and potential media nightmare.

Additionally, as many freedom activists know, once you get a "government number", the media using their Lexis/Nexis scanning technology instantaneously can pick it up.

Jesse Benton (however you may feel about him) had to do two things:
1) distance the campaign from Kokesh and RT
2) be a buffer between RP and this legal matter and ensure that RP not be personally drawn in

Additionally, once a matter becomes a legal matter, the parties, potential or actual, to the legal matter SHOULD NOT COMMENT on the legal matter in ANY FORM or in ANY WAY. Any lawyer will tell you that, as it can only place the party in further LEGAL JEOPARDY.

This INCLUDES any apology Kokesh or his supporters believe he may deserve. The campaign and RP were advised to MAKE NO COMMENT and have NO CONTACT with any other party to this now legal matter!

So, regardless of one's personal feelings, since it is now a legal matter, that's simply the way it is. Now I understand Benton's reaction to Kokesh and RT and it makes PERFECT SENSE.

Benton was FORCED into that reaction by Adam's complete lack of political sense and understanding of even basic concepts of law and regulations regarding campaigns.

There's really nothing more to it than this in summary:
1) Kokesh effed up.
2) Benton reacted in a manner he was forced into by Kokesh and the legal matter Kokesh precipitated
3) RP cant say anything to anyone about this legal matter, least of all RT or Kokesh
4) The media is awaiting the campaign to make a wrong move
5) Kokesh was forced to resign from RT by RT because he was the cause of the legal matter that RT now finds itself embroiled in
6) Posters like "FromJericho" on DP is now baiting the campaign into legally embroiling itself into this legal matter, who knows why
7) Some DPers, including I'm certain both genuine RP and Kokesh supporters with genuine concern as well as establishment plants who want to hurt the campaign are whipping up the froth and division (advertently or inadvertently) to try to get the campaign to engage in something they shouldn't so the media can take advantage of the situation to hit RP

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I like Rt

Benton (2007 campaign) ehh, but I Love the hell outta Ron Paul. Stay Safe Doc!

Benton

Adam posted this -

There is no "media blackout" on Ron Paul, only Jesse Benton's arrogance and incompetence.

http://www.facebook.com/KokeshforCongress

That´s a very

clueless comment.

Not again in 2012!

I was hoping he had shaped up. I think Ron Paul is trying to guide him. But maybe he should consider hiring a pro this time.

From Adam's Facebook Page:

"I will be able to speak more freely about AVTM's cancellation after concluding my legal business with RT. Until then, just know that the FEC complaint was not a factor, but Jesse Benton is."

"We Don't Have Democracy In Our Country! The Parties Aren't Different They're ALL The Same" -Ron Paul

Adam, it was your overstepping your bounds factor

I read the complaint, and you clearly forced others to take distancing actions, not because what you said was untrue, but it was NOT your platform to say it from.

All TV media, especially foreign-funded TV media, obviously needs to avoid overt endorsements for any candidate, no matter how worthy.

RT gave you a wide stage to perform your art on, and a great pulpit to preach your ideals from, but when you brought out this kind of specific prescriptions on HOW we should support one candidate, you walked off the edge of their stage while knocking over the pulpit they provided.

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them. - Frederick Douglass

LOL

Can't talk until legal issues resolved, but legal issues were not a factor?

And even more ironically, he can't talk about WHICH legal issues were related to which issues (firing vs. Jesse) becaue they are ongoing legal matters!

LOL!

SPINNITY-SPIN-SPIN

He is saying...

the legal issue is between him and RT (99% most likely financial/contractual issues).

The FEC complaint is bogus.

Adam is flat out saying that Jesse Benton had something to do with his departure. He commented about Jesse being the reason, therefore there is no legal issue between Adam and Jesse (because he commented on it and is blaming Jesse).

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~wobbles but doesn't fall down~

Of course he did.

And he can't comment further as there is an ongoing legal matter.

No...

Adam commented that Jesse had something to do with him getting axed. If Jesse getting Adam axed was a legal issue he wouldn't be able to comment about it. You don't not comment on a legal matter by proclaiming blame on one of the parties in the legal matter. This is not rocket surgery! :)

The legal issue is between Adam and RT and nobody else. By process of elimination the only legal matter left is whatever contract Adam had with RT. Which RT is breaking.

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~wobbles but doesn't fall down~

You missed the point entirely.

There's no way to know WHY Adam got the axe and he's not allowed to say why in relation to RT because it's an ongoing legal matter.

So, he can SAY that it was Jesse, whether it was or not, there's no way to verify because the REAL REASON he got the axe from RT is an ongoing legal matter and he's not permitted to comment on it. Adam's post necessarily creates a "he said, she said" situation EXCEPT that the campaign can't say anything either lest they EITHER become a party to the legal matter OR the media latches on and it becomes a nightmare for the campaign (which I think is what Adam is trying to do with his facebook post).

So, Adam has the upper hand in the ability to generate rumors and innuendo. Again: Spinnity-Spin-Spin. Though Adam CANNOT speak about the TRUE NATURE of the legal matter because it's an ongoing legal matter.

Like I pointed out yesterday, the REAL QUESTION HERE is PRECISELY WHY Adam got the axe from RT. THATS what needs to be verified.

The only way..

your contention could make any sense is if Jesse/Campaign was suing RT/Adam or vice-versa.

What possibly would Jesse/Campaign be suing Adam/RT for(or vice-versa)?

It's for certain there is a legal matter between Adam and RT because it is plainly stated.

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Yes, if it were not a political campaign.

Since, if you haven't noticed, Ron Paul is running for president. FOR POLITICAL REASONS, Jesse or the campaign cannot comment further.

Let me visually explain it to you.

Kokesh ---> Jesse/RP/Campaign.
Jesse/RP/Campaign -x-> Kokesh. Why? political
Kokesh -x-> RT Why? legal
Jesse/RP/Campaign -x-> RT why? potential legal

So Kokesh can go on and on about the campaign, but can't discuss his RT legal matter.

The campaign can't address Kokesh for political/media reasons.

Again it comes down to PRECISELY WHY Kokesh got axed. He says "Jesse", but NO ONE CAN VERIFY and Kokesh himself cannot say because It's an ONGOING LEGAL MATTER with RT and/or another party.

So the real question is YET AGAIN, why did RT axe Kokesh? No one can verify because ITS AN ONGOING LEGAL MATTER.

So...

You said:

"The campaign can't address Kokesh for political/media reasons."

Okay, so the campaign/jesse can't address the Kokesh issue for political reasons EXCEPT it's ok to discuss the matter with RT camera crews and staff...

*rolls eyes*

Pull out your occam's razor, dude.... ;)

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No, weebles.

Nothing is simple when federal authorities are involved nor when someone is running a presidential campaign.

What federal authorities?

The FEC complaint allegations are bogus on their face. There is no FEC issue here.

Earlier I thought there could be a federal corporate law issue because of RT's non-profit status but RT is a Russian non-profit corporation not an American one.

It is NOT against any laws or regulations for an employee of a media outlet to, as a personal op/ed, endorse a political candidate and/or encourage campaign donations UNLESS the media outlet is a US non-profit corporation.

In order to prevent the appearance of bias most media outlets choose not to allow their associates to endorse candidates. But they are free to choose otherwise.

Again, what federal authorities?

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Thank you for your OPINION.

It doesn't change the details of ongoing legal matters.

The only available statement is...

that the legal matter has nothing to do with the FEC and that the legal matter is between Kokesh and RT. That's the only known "details".

You have created this dramatic complex hypothetical fiction around a couple vague statements and some bogus document from a neocon smearmonger when the whole issue probably boils down to Kokesh being an immature lone cowboy goober. :)

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connection to RT?

Honestly the connection to RT and the campaign could be the big issue and they picked Kokesh's show to sac rather than the Reason Magazine, I mean The Alonya Show. It was probably a choice of ratings and nothing else, or i suppose Adam could have chosen to be the fall guy of his own free will, or maybe Adam was too vocal? Either way Jesse probably dropped the word "lawsuit" in relation to if an FEC investigation was launched. Strangely RP seems to have gotten an increase in MSM attention since it happened. Odds are AVTM will be back on at RT sooner or later although lets hope something more mainstream picks him up so that the mid west can get his show where we have a lot more liberals who would like his program and format.

What connection?

There is no connection between RT and the RP campaign.

You said:

"Either way Jesse probably dropped the word "lawsuit" in relation to if an FEC investigation was launched."

What would be the basis of a lawsuit from the Campaign? The FEC complaint is completely bogus.

"I should have said something before all the conspiracy theorists jumped on the FEC for being responsible for AVTM being cancelled. It was not a factor!" - Adam Kokesh
http://www.facebook.com/KokeshforCongress

The Campaign is not responsible for what third parties do. Further, there is no law or regulation saying a media pundit can't endorse candidates or encourage people to donate to campaigns unless the media outlet is non-profit or if the contract between the pundit and media outlet forbids it.

With respect to Jesse Benton there is still zero evidence or confirmation that Jesse actually made those statements. Adam is quoting some RT production crew members.

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Hmm...

I don't think his statement contradicts itself. Anyone who's ever held a broadcasting gig knows that when you're on the air like that you will often have to sign no-compete contracts, and other documents promising not to speak about certain matters of your employment... station business, etc. Look, I'm more inclined to believe Adam than Jesse. Jesse is a smug little liar, and he's done this before. I support Ron Paul 100%. In the meantime, I'll wait and see what happens.

OK, but....

....anyone who has been involved in civil cases, knows the legal issue aspect.

You may be right about Jesse. That has no bearing on the legal issues currently in play.

We should be more focused on

We should be more focused on Mark Levin's attack on Ron Paul, Mike Church, and Jack Hunter. Mike challenged Mark to a debate - I'd love to see that :)

http://www.dailypaul.com/176106/mark-levins-jejune-attacks-o...

It's a vast 'christian right' wing conspiracy

Cliff Kincaid Biography

President, America's Survival, Inc.
http://www.usasurvival.org/bio.html

**(Cliff Kincaid's mentor ----> **Reed Irvine**

Reed Irvine CNP (Council for National Policy)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_for_National_Policy

The Council for National Policy (CNP), is an umbrella organization and networking group for social conservative activists in the United States. It has been described by The New York Times as a "little-known group of a few hundred of the most powerful conservatives in the country," who meet three times yearly behind closed doors at undisclosed locations for a confidential conference.[1] Nation magazine has called it a secretive organization that "networks wealthy right-wing donors together with top conservative operatives to plan long-term movement strategy."[2] It was founded in 1981 by Tim LaHaye as a forum for conservative Christians seeking to strengthen the political right in the United States.[3]

Here's some of the other members:
Richard Mellon Scaife, Jack Abramoff, Tom Delay, Trent Lott, Jesse Helms, Dr. D. James Kennedy, Dr. James Dobson, Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Reverend Moon, Oliver North, Tim and Bev LaHaye (pro-nuclear-Armageddon freaks), R.J. Rushdoony and Gary North (pro-stoning for sinners), Pat Boone, Gary Bauer, Coors family, Du Pont family, Reed Irvine, Grover Norquist, Gen. Patton, Martin Maddoux, Phyllis Schafly, Edward Teller (father of Atomic Bomb), Robert Tilton, Ralph Reed, Rev. Donald Wildmon.

not all of the people on that list are bad.

I dont think that Gary North, James Dobson, Schlafly, and the late James Kennedy are bad people. Ralph Reed and Gary Bauer are not likely very good.

Most people support ethical and moral behaviour. Nothing wrong with that.

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Adam is not the first, nor will he be the

last to be wounded by NeoCon slings and arrows. But he is a young, strong, brave voice for peace and freedom, and has learned a lot from his short time working with RT. I expect to continue to see great things from this courageous man, on the Liberty and antiwar fronts.

All the best to you, Adam. I look forward to your future projects and continued growth in advocacy and activism.

Does this have something to do why Freedom Watch off the

air? The Judge has been endorsing him on the show.

You've been ZAMPED!!!!!!!

Thanks for posting.

Thanks for posting.

That website

of the guy that made the complaint is one of the most incredible things I've ever seen.
It's like a caricature of blood.
You can almost see the veins hanging from his teeth.
BTW, I noticed that he name-drops and hangs with the neocons like PNAC's Frank Gaffney and other genocidal maniacs.

This guy is like the cartoon man "Ultra-Neocon", saving the world from the Russians 25 years after the cold war is over, by promoting the killing of everyone on the planet, just to be sure he got everyone he wanted.

If this guy's IQ was 2 points higher, he might represent plant life.

Beautiful description! rofl

Beautiful description! rofl