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AHA - The Truth laid bare in the Kokesh/Benton/RP flap!

The following information has just come to light regarding the recent divisive flap between Kokesh/Benton/RP

http://www.usasurvival.org/docs/fec-complaint.pdf

It is imperative to read this document.

Adam Kokesh errored by linking his efforts on RT to the official campaign, thereby placing the PEC (official campaign) in potential legal jeopardy.

Regardless of whether or not you like RT or like and agree with Kokesh as I do, I'm sure the campaign did not appreciate having to deal with this potential legal headache and potential media nightmare.

Additionally, as many freedom activists know, once you get a "government number", the media using their Lexis/Nexis scanning technology instantaneously can pick it up.

Jesse Benton (however you may feel about him) had to do two things:
1) distance the campaign from Kokesh and RT
2) be a buffer between RP and this legal matter and ensure that RP not be personally drawn in

Additionally, once a matter becomes a legal matter, the parties, potential or actual, to the legal matter SHOULD NOT COMMENT on the legal matter in ANY FORM or in ANY WAY. Any lawyer will tell you that, as it can only place the party in further LEGAL JEOPARDY.

This INCLUDES any apology Kokesh or his supporters believe he may deserve. The campaign and RP were advised to MAKE NO COMMENT and have NO CONTACT with any other party to this now legal matter!

So, regardless of one's personal feelings, since it is now a legal matter, that's simply the way it is. Now I understand Benton's reaction to Kokesh and RT and it makes PERFECT SENSE.

Benton was FORCED into that reaction by Adam's complete lack of political sense and understanding of even basic concepts of law and regulations regarding campaigns.

There's really nothing more to it than this in summary:
1) Kokesh effed up.
2) Benton reacted in a manner he was forced into by Kokesh and the legal matter Kokesh precipitated
3) RP cant say anything to anyone about this legal matter, least of all RT or Kokesh
4) The media is awaiting the campaign to make a wrong move
5) Kokesh was forced to resign from RT by RT because he was the cause of the legal matter that RT now finds itself embroiled in
6) Posters like "FromJericho" on DP is now baiting the campaign into legally embroiling itself into this legal matter, who knows why
7) Some DPers, including I'm certain both genuine RP and Kokesh supporters with genuine concern as well as establishment plants who want to hurt the campaign are whipping up the froth and division (advertently or inadvertently) to try to get the campaign to engage in something they shouldn't so the media can take advantage of the situation to hit RP



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keep fighting over someone who isn't even involved

in the official campaign.. on daily PAUL no less..

fucking idiots

derrrr

Actually big guy, I think most of us are fighting for freedom, and for people we feel we like, such as Adam Kokesh, who have had big roles in this eternal fight. We support individuals who support liberty. Enjoy your conquest of the message boards, troll.

your screen name has a fuking mage in it..

stf u

derr is a good response

(not)

LOL

They aren't being

They aren't being idiots. That is the purpose of a couple people most likely.

The person who wrote the original article is a professional propagandist that helped start the wars in the middle east. He propagandized against his own people, and that is treason. He only lost his security clearance so far, and the matter wasn't published much.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Hopefully

this will get cleared up and everyone back on track, getting the message out.

"We can see with our eyes, hear with our ears and feel with our touch, but we understand with our hearts."

I question your title

You claim this is the "Truth laid bare..." but what is your source?

Do you have any information beyond the linked complaint that this was the real reason behind Jesse's statements?

How do you know what the campaign was advised by their attorneys?

Please give some proof to your statement that this is the truth of the situation.

You can make stuff up like

You can make stuff up like this all day long too and file complaints against WND if you like too. But it isn't real.

It means nothing. This is not coming from the real base of the Republican Party, even non-supporters of RP, but from a few dividers that have never learned the meaning of "am I my brother's keeper".

Stuff like this should be dealt with in love but in a public way, pointing out why the principles are far below any neighbor standard by far. Although these same people by lying and making up stuff - including the anthrax attacks from a government lab - they aren't harmless, have kept America divided for 10 years, it isn't lasting forever.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

you LIKE & AGREE with Adam????...

Is that why you repeatedly refer to me as "Adam" or "AK" in a negative manner?... because you "like & agree" with him?.... haha... keep on back peddling, Agent Mulder...

"sometimes I hug the coffee table when no one is looking."

I understand now

Thanks for the update. It all makes sense now. Poor Adam goofed up and lost his job.

The tides are changing!

Who is Clifford P Kincaid?

Who is America Survival Inc anyway? How long have they been around?

What is the penalty? To Adam and then to the RP Campaign?

Treg

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Regardless of WHO is beind the suit....

... and I agree it's a high liklihood it's people trying to hurt the campaign, that doesn't speak to the accuracy of the CONTENT of the pdf.

The CONTENT of the document appears to be factually accurate.

Do you have evidence to the contrary?

There is no evidence of a suit...

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well...there's a typo in the transcript

"If you want a president whose going to honor his oath..."

Should be "who's", as in "who is", not "whose" as in "whose book is this?"

I thought these things jumped out at notaries.

Oh well. Irrelevant, I know. :D

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LOL

Point taken! :)

Thanks

This does put some perspective on things.
Thank You

What you say may be true

I know that WND made a big deal about his, but...

Jesse's statement was in poor taste and should have been stated differently.

If it is true that there is a legal situation he should have made that clear.

You said thee campaign was advised to make no comment.

When the RT reporter approached Jesse he should have said either "No Comment" or something to the effect of "Due to Adam Kokesh's statements on your network that may have legal ramifications, we can not entertain questions from you or appear in interviews at this time."

It takes just a tiny bit of class.

This is still in essense WND.

This is still in essense WND. Consider them satan at the moment, even if they are or aren't aware of the spirit.

They may, indeed, be part of the entity that caused the anthrax attacks as well. The person who originally wrote that article was working for the CIA/Defense Agency looking for (creating) links between Al Queda and Iraq after 911 before he lost his security clearance and was fired in Dec 2001 for making stuff up.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

The background of the writer

The background of the writer is here.

http://www.dailypaul.com/175178/background-of-wnd-f-michael-...

It is pretty bad, and I'm sure there is more if you look. This was part of the making up the anthrax attacks period. He was being paid to start a war.

If you dig that out, and GENTLE mention the factual things like he lost his security clearance, etc, I think most people, even non-Ron Paul suppoters, will see what is going on. And what is going on is more than just trying to harm Ron Paul's campaign. It's been a campaign of manipulation for ten years.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Which is it?

2) Benton reacted in a manner he was forced into by Kokesh

But
"once a matter becomes a legal matter, the parties, potential or actual, to the legal matter SHOULD NOT COMMENT on the legal matter in ANY FORM or in ANY WAY. Any lawyer will tell you that, as it can only place the party in further LEGAL JEOPARDY."

He was forced to ignore legal advice?

Federal election laws favor campaigns with big bucks and legal teams.

We have principles and millions of supporters. A more potent energy than money or lawyers.

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What was Benton's ACTUAL word for word quote?

Answer that and you answer your own question.

There is no evidence that Jesse said ANYTHING...

Adam quoted unnamed RT staff...

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~wobbles but doesn't fall down~

No comment means no comment, whatever the comment.

I don't envy the Campaign Managers position. Federal laws, all those pesky principles...

Free includes debt-free!

not sure

what to say on any of this except it shouldn't be posted on DP. I don't know why inner fighting and complaints flood this place so bad.

I think all of this needs to go and we need to get back to planning the next SUPERBOMB and what we can do to further expand ron's % points in the next straw polls.

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hmm

And so the plot thickens.

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