Vermont has no National Guard choppers to help with cleanup from Hurricane Irene because they are all in Iraq
Submitted by jb23 on Wed, 08/31/2011 - 22:09Eight helicopters on loan from the Illinois National Guard were expected to arrive Tuesday night in Vermont to help the Vermont National Guard deliver food, medicine, water and other supplies to 13 Vermont towns cut off from the rest of the state in the aftermath of Tropical Storm Irene.
The outside helicopter support is needed because all six of the Vermont Guard’s Black Hawk helicopters are still in Iraq, where they and 55 Vermont soldiers are wrapping up a yearlong hospital transport mission, said Lt. Lloyd Goodrow, spokesman for the Vermont Guard.
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20110830/NEWS02/1...
















I just finished
listening to Ron Paul's interview from Sunday with Wallace and lo-and-behold, Ron Paul mentioned the fact the the National Guard needs to be here and not over there...son of a gun.
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Well at least Iraq gets new
Well at least Iraq gets new infrastructure. I'm sure it was worth it somehow.
It's amazing how much wealth
It's amazing how much wealth is destroyed by blowing up countries -- and then stolen by rebuilding blown up countries with inflation currency. Insanity.
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I live in southern
I live in southern Vermont...the damage some of the local communities have sustained here is terrible. The flooding is the worst I have personally seen. Most of our roads are closed and some towns are still not even accessible by the rest of the state. Maybe when Ron Paul gets elected, he will bring home the national guard and the rest of the troops from Iraq so they can help at the next disaster rather than rebuilding infrastructure overseas.
Governor is derelict in his duties
and could be impeached over this issue. They have a responsibility to their state and the assets of the states.
The problem is post 9/11 the government has basically nationalized the guard units to augment active duty forces because there is no way these wars could continue otherwise.
I remember Gov. Schwarzenegger complaining along with Sen. Boxer over the Feds use of the guard and specifically their equipment. They stated that their state would be unprepared in the event of a natural disaster because they left most of California's equipment overseas and did not replace it.
http://www.boxer.senate.gov/en/press/releases/022708.cfm
These statements and letters back up Dr. Paul and he should use them in the debate next week. We are all at risk with our active duty and guard units overseas.
Just come home!
American Coast Guard in Senegal
My husband was in Senegal (French West Africa) on business recently. He noticed some American military men and started talking to them. He asked what unit they're with and was told the Coast Guard. He asked just WHOSE coast are they guarding? WHO is guarding our coast! They shrugged and shook their heads with disgust and said, "Indeed. We've been wondering the same thing!!!"
What is the possible justification for this? Senegal is not at war with anyone nor are they even being threatened. With all the foreign aid we give them, why don't they form their own darn coast guard and let our guys come home and guard OUR coast!!!
"What is the possible
"What is the possible justification for this? Senegal is not at war with anyone nor are they even being threatened. With all the foreign aid we give them, why don't they form their own darn coast guard and let our guys come home and guard OUR coast!!!"
We don't give foreign aid to help people we give foreign aid in order to have a claim upon them so that we can control their country. Foreign aid is a bribe, nothing more, nothing less. Washington wants every nation in the world to accept it's aid so that Washington can dictate policy to everyone else. We aren't the least bit interested in bringing democracy or freedom to anybody, we're over there because we are an empire intent on being in control.
All Republican Governors
Should hold back their states Nation Guard and REFUSE to allow them to deploy.
We got a Demorat governor...She spends way to much time with her lips on Obamas butt.
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Dick Act of 1902 (don't laugh, it's real)
There is already long-standing law against the deployment of the National Guard for overseas "service. Read on:
DICK ACT of 1902... CAN'T BE REPEALED (GUN CONTROL FORBIDDEN) - Protection Against Tyrannical Government
Submitted by Jonathan on Sun, 03/29/2009 - 2:04pm.
The Dick Act of 1902 also known as the Efficiency of Militia Bill H.R. 11654, of June 28, 1902 invalidates all so-called gun-control laws. It also divides the militia into three distinct and separate entities.
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The three classes H.R. 11654 provides for are the organized militia, henceforth known as the National Guard of the State, Territory and District of Columbia, the unorganized militia and the regular army. The militia encompasses every able-bodied male between the ages of 18 and 45. All members of the unorganized militia have the absolute personal right and 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms of any type, and as many as they can afford to buy.
The Dick Act of 1902 cannot be repealed; to do so would violate bills of attainder and ex post facto laws which would be yet another gross violation of the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights. The President of the United States has zero authority without violating the Constitution to call the National Guard to serve outside of their State borders.
The National Guard Militia can only be required by the National Government for limited purposes specified in the Constitution (to uphold the laws of the Union; to suppress insurrection and repel invasion). These are the only purposes for which the General Government can call upon the National Guard.
Attorney General Wickersham advised President Taft, "the Organized Militia (the National Guard) can not be employed for offensive warfare outside the limits of the United States."
The Honorable William Gordon, in a speech to the House on Thursday, October 4, 1917, proved that the action of President Wilson in ordering the Organized Militia (the National Guard) to fight a war in Europe was so blatantly unconstitutional that he felt Wilson ought to have been impeached.
During the war with England an attempt was made by Congress to pass a bill authorizing the president to draft 100,000 men between the ages of 18 and 45 to invade enemy territory, Canada. The bill was defeated in the House by Daniel Webster on the precise point that Congress had no such power over the militia as to authorize it to empower the President to draft them into the regular army and send them out of the country.
The fact is that the President has no constitutional right, under any circumstances, to draft men from the militia to fight outside the borders of the USA, and not even beyond the borders of their respective states. Today, we have a constitutional LAW which still stands in waiting for the legislators to obey the Constitution which they swore an oath to uphold.
Charles Hughes of the American Bar Association (ABA) made a speech which is contained in the Appendix to Congressional Record, House, September 10, 1917, pages 6836-6840 which states: "The militia, within the meaning of these provisions of the Constitution is distinct from the Army of the United States." In these pages we also find a statement made by Daniel Webster, "that the great principle of the Constitution on that subject is that the militia is the militia of the States and of the General Government; and thus being the militia of the States, there is no part of the Constitution worded with greater care and with more scrupulous jealousy than that which grants and limits the power of Congress over it."
"This limitation upon the power to raise and support armies clearly establishes the intent and purpose of the framers of the Constitution to limit the power to raise and maintain a standing army to voluntary enlistment, because if the unlimited power to draft and conscript was intended to be conferred, it would have been a useless and puerile thing to limit the use of money for that purpose. Conscripted armies can be paid, but they are not required to be, and if it had been intended to confer the extraordinary power to draft the bodies of citizens and send them out of the country in direct conflict with the limitation upon the use of the militia imposed by the same section and article, certainly some restriction or limitation would have been imposed to restrain the unlimited use of such power."
The Honorable William Gordon
Congressional Record, House, Page 640 - 1917
National Guard Militia ????
The Dick Act of 1903 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_Act_of_1903 can be repealed because it is unconstitutional. See my post below. The founders were very clear in the separations of the Army, Navy and the Militia of the Several States.see Article II sec.2
The Army's national guard CAN be used overseas but NOT the State Militia. The problem is we have not had a functioning State Militia since 1903.
We the People delegated to congress(Article I sec.8)"To provide for organizing,arming and disciplining the Militia(of the several States).... Congress has been derelict in their duty since 1903, therefore the States need to re-institute the "Militia of the Several States".
Article I sec. 8 also delegates to congress the ability "To provide for calling forth the Militia(of the several States)to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions; It does not say "To provide for calling forth the Army's national guard, or National Guard Militia !?!
I hope Ron picks this up and runs with it...
Having served in the NY Guard, it doesn't surprise me at all that this happened. There is a "dual mission" to the Guard and unfortunately in recent years the Federal side of that mission has been expanded to the detriment of the primary mission, which is to be a localized defense force for the state itself. This kind of business is why I got out; my unit was being deconstructed piecemeal to "augment" overseas operations - so much for being there for your family and neighbors during times of trouble. Why have men and equipment at the ready for natural disasters (going to waste) when you can use them to fight a few wars overseas, right? Oops...
I hope people light up the comments section of this article. People in Vermont have been primed for a lesson on common sense courtesy of Ron Paul.
Ron Paul right yet again.
Ron Paul right yet again. Doesn't the MSM ever get tired of being wrong, wrong, wrong?
This is probably why they're upset with Dr. Paul, because when they criticize him, they end up looking like fools.
Follow the Constitution !
The Army's National Guard is a division of the Army. Many people wrongly believe it is a State institution or the State Militia. This confusion comes from US Code Title 10 sec.311 http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/usc_sec_10_00000311----000... This law is unconstitutional on many points. First, there is no such thing as "the militia of the United States" The Constitution refers to the "Militia of the several States" Art.II sec.2 Second, as stated the National Guard is a division of the Army and Third,"the unorganized militia" is no Militia at all. All Colonial and State Militia from the 1600's until 1903 Dick Act were always very well organized (regulated). Amendment II "A well regulated Militia is necessary to the security of a free State..." I spoke to our champion of the Constitution about this very problem and he told me he could summit a bill to correct these unconstitutional Acts. Please let him know you support him in correcting this vital issue.
Is each State's National Guard
simply like a piece of the federal Army that the governor can call upon if they are available? And in return, the state pays for their training and upkeep?
Say what???
Say what??? Vermont has no National Guard choppers to help with cleanup from Hurricane Irene!
"Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful!"
- Henry Kissinger in an address to the Bilderberger organization meeting at Evian, France, on May 21, 1991.
And here we are, 20 years later. It is "tomorrow" and you do sound as if you would be grateful (to have the National Guard in Vermont to help with cleanup from Hurricane Irene).
What about all the flap about State Sovereinty I've seen around here??? Now, you are calling for help from the National Guard ? Can you not see the irony here???
That's why I have to agree with this suggestion from another poster:
"The easiest solution is to dissolve the National Guard on paper and reconstitute it under some state emergency unit or an arm of the state police. Then you still have a National Guard per se, just not one subject to call up by the president."
At least, that way you can all continue to call for "State Sovereignty" - if that's what you really want, without speaking out of both sides of your mouths. How can you advocate for Ron Paul by calling for State Sovereignty out of one side of your mouths, while calling for help from the National Guard out of the other side of your mouths? How can anyone trust a politician, knowing they're speaking out of both sides of their mouths?
re: Say what??? to I.Magine
What you say has a modicum of merit, because you're discussing what should be versus what is. However, we have disaster clean up to attend to NOW. People need food, water and medicine NOW.
What we don't have NOW is a dissolved National Guard reconstituted under some state emergency unit or arm of the state police.
Should we wait until such a time to send the assistance that is required, or should we use what is available to us to take care of our own immediately?
Because our assets are stretched too thinly, what is available immediately is assistance from halfway across the country, which, if I'm not mistaken, is the point of this article.
I don't advocate
sovereignty, this site does. My motto is, United We Stand, Divided We Fall, in all things: politically, economically, socially, spiritually. I was only commenting on the fact that this site calls for sovereignty only until the going gets tough, and then they start cryng for national help...
Well, I say, when the going gets tough, the tough get going. Get your act together, Vermont! Be Sovereign, already. End sarcasm.
It was crystal
clear in your OP that you do not advocate state sovereignty.
It's not a "sovereignty only until going gets tough situation," as you say, and then the states cry for help.
It's taken over 100 years for our Federal Government to whittle away at States' rights. It's not going to suddenly come undone overnight. We still have to work with what we've got.
Are you here just to troll, or do you actually have intelligent rebuttal?
The 10th amendment, which
The 10th amendment, which delegates powers not already spelled out for the federal government to the states, implies state sovereignty over social issues. In other words, no one states decision should be superseded by a uniform status nationwide.
In 1816 Thomas Jefferson wrote:
"The best key for the solution of questions of power between our governments is the fact that every foreign and federal power is given to the federal government, and to the states every power purely domestic."
The limited powers delegated to the federal government, as stated above, pertain to external or foreign affairs and relations between the States, while the numerous and indefinite powers reserved to the individual States pertain to the lives, liberties and properties of the people.
You are calling for something quite different here. That's fine by me, because as I said, I advocate the philosophy: United We stand, Divided we Fall. Sounds like you do, too. So we agree.
If each state truly had power over their National Guard
It would be neat to see the various states help each other out like this. There could be a sort of running competition among the states to be seen in a good light for their humanitarian aid in other states. This would be a good incentive for states to work together or a friendly point of contention not unlike our current system of football.
I would argue that large scale natural disasters are a threat to public/state security, so they would fall under the scope of government. Just as long as they were constrained to basic clean up and first aid. Let private organizations or local governments take care of details and long term plans.
It was my impression that the National Guard
is under State authority. So it would be within the State Sovereignty argument, right? The question would then be whether the State should use it's guard for cleaning up natural disasters. I don't see why not.
Army. The United States Army
Army. The United States Army is the main ground-force of the United States. The Army's main function is to protect and defend the United States (and its interests) by way of ground troops, armor (tanks), artillery, attack helicopters, tactical nuclear weapons, etc. The Army is the oldest U.S. Military service, officially established by the Continental Congress on June 14, 1775. The Army is also the largest U.S. Military Service. There are approximately 76,000 officers and 401,000 enlisted members in the active duty Army. The Army is supported by two Reserve Forces which can be tapped for trained personnel and equipment during times of need: The Army Reserves, and the Army National Guard. The primary difference between the two is that the Reserves are "owned" and managed by the federal government, and each state "owns" it's own National Guard. However, the President of the United States or the Secretary of Defense can "activate" state National Guard members into Federal military service during times of need.
http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/generalinfo/a/military101.htm
Ah-hah!
So basically the state gets to feed and train the soldiers at their own expense and the the President can use them whenever he "needs" to, huh?
I thought the National Guard was like a little army under the State. There is so much to learn. No wonder most Americans don't have a clue. It's complicated even when you do care and want to know.
To show how clueless
Americans really are, most aren't even aware that many states' constitutions also still have articles specifically calling for the training and equipping of the "unorganized militia" , which has nothing whatsoever to do with the National Guard, at the state's expense. Iowa's constitution Article 6 deals specifically with that subject, and hasn't been changed (that I'm aware of) since 1868.
Mainstream media has done a fine job of dumbing down and dis-informing the masses; demonizing what was not so long ago a legitimate organization.
http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Article_VI%2C_Iowa_Con...
I was more trying to point
I was more trying to point out that the "National" guard isn't really "guarding" the nation. That itself is pointless because it's not helping Americans at all.
Scary
If we don't even have those choppers what else don't we have?? this is a perfect example of how having all our military stuff over seas makes our National Defense Weaker... if another country did decide to attack us right now we would not be able to put up the fight you would expect I believe.
"Don't lose your grip on the dreams of the past you must fight just to keep them alive"
Governor of Vermont
Has he resigned yet?
donvino
they are going to bring FEMA
they are going to bring FEMA up in the debate. Paul needs to include this example in a list of bullet points including Katrina, Galveston flood wall, etc.
Just make a quick point about FEMA being inefficient, incompetent, a bastardization of insurance by removing risk, etc. then run off a list of real-world examples.
This point also ties into the war - a double bonus and will really drive the idea home for a large segment of the viewers.
Ouch! That's a major slap in
Ouch! That's a major slap in the face for the pro-war pro-FEMA crowd.
Truth is in most disaster situations, the National Guard, which is primarily an arm of states, is the most effective, and they can coordinate interstate efforts rather well without any federal involvement whatsoever.
Most of the time when there's a disaster, the National Guards have a great plan underway to deal with it, then FEMA struts in and takes over and screws everything up royally.
According to Numbers 5:11, abortions are supposed to be performed by priests, not doctors.
אני מקלל אותך עברית כי אתה לא שווה את המאמץ לקלל באנגלית
You are so right. Another
You are so right. Another point is the National Guard is familiar with their own state, unlike the outsider---FEMA.