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Siebel Edmons warns of Paul campaign plot: nix Bruce Fein quickly

Are we looking at a 'reformed' Bruce Fein?
I assume this is not 'news' (his lobbyiest 'laundry')
to the Campaign for Liberty.... so has he 'repented'?
Has he renounced his prior history?
or
Does he 'somehow' excuse or defend it.
or
is it just now ignored...
and 'exchanged' for his 'influence' DC circles?
I'm confused. I'm concerned. Read the article.
Who IS Bruce Fein (weighed against the impeccable credentials of our Ron Paul)?

The Greatest Plot Against the Ron Paul Camp To Date

08-31-2011 • www.boilingfrogspost.com

“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.” - Marcus Tullius Cicero

Last week, right after publishing my article on Congresswoman Schmidt and Bruce Fein’s brilliant foreign lobby money rechanneling-laundering scheme, and to my shock, I found out about this:

The Ron Paul 2012 Presidential Campaign announced today that constitutional and international law expert Bruce Fein will join the campaign as senior advisor on legal matters.

“Bruce Fein’s participation adds to our campaign’s already intellectual heft, enabling us to more broadly engage the conversation about constitutionality, civil liberties and the dangers to national security of an increasingly interventionist foreign policy,” said Ron Paul 2012 Campaign Chairman Jesse Benton.

While some at Rep. Paul’s Camp were busy celebrating and cheering the announcement as a brilliant strategic move, I was frantically gathering cases and research notes, corresponding with current and former colleagues from the intelligence community who had come to support Rep. Paul, and communicating with a few friends with Rep. Paul’s Campaign who were equally troubled by this development.

more:
http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2011/08/30/the-greatest-plot...




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Bumping up now that Bruce Fein has been IDENTIFIED as rumormonge

The threat as always comes from the inside. I trust Sibel Edmonds reporting on this. http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2012/04/04/bfp-exclusive-the...

"it is good for the establishment to adopt liberty ideology, but it is not good for those who have already adopted liberty to fall to the feet of the establishment." ~ Annica2

I think the lady doth protest

I think the lady doth protest too much. I don't know Bruce Fein personally so I can't say with any certainty what his agenda really is, but I haven't seen any compelling reason to 'nix' him from the campaign.
I've listened to his speeches and read some of his writing.
It seems pretty much in line with Ron Paul's philosophy, so I'm a bit confused as to what this is all about.

"The United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that." — Alan Greenspan

or those trying to pass themselves off as "inside"

like yourself perhaps.

Dr.Paul picked the guy. I trust him to do the right thing.

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Bruce Fein is bad for the Ron Paul campaign

I am sorry but I have been a long time supporter of Ron Paul since I heard of him in 2000. I live in Texas and not in his district of clute Texas sadly. But why in the hell is did he hire this guy? Is it because of his background of being a "smart" man? Just look at Obama and how he is a "smart" man and look at how this country is headed.

Bruce Fein is a zionist and he supports Israel with a passion. You guys remember the history of the trojan horse where Greeks hid themselves in a trojan horse for a "peace" offering? Well Bruce Fein is that man. What better way than to destroy a gaining strong momentum by within. I trust Sibel Edmonds more than a PR online person. She has credibility and she is not being paid to give warning to Ron Paul.

Just remember the establishment is scared and will do anything to stop the momentum. All they need is entry and then they start bringing in people.

BTW I normally don't post in forums because of all the crazy jargon that goes with them. I will find a way to contact Ron Paul's office and let him know how I feel.

Bruce Fein is ticking time bomb in Ron Paul's campagin

As soon as I read Sibel Edmonds' article, I thought all that was needed was to bring the article to Ron Paul's attention. Who in their right mind keeps a traitor on their staff!

Ron Paul is known for not being "hands on." He trusts his campaign manager.

But media will put Ron Paul in hot seat about Bruce Fein. They will ask:

"Do you want a man with this seamy record working for you?"

"Why did you hire him?"

"Did you know his record when you hired him?"

"Why did you not fire him when you found out?"

Paul's campaign manager must be aware now of Sibel's article and what a huge mistake it was to hire Fein. His great coup in getting Fein is revealed to be a disaster.

He does not have to be embarrassed or ashamed. There is no harm in making a mistake. But not to correct it when it is revealed to you jeopardizes the whole campaign.

All he has to do is fire Fein now and we can all relax and return to working heart and soul to make Ron Paul our President.

I think the campaign manager must bring Sibel's article to Ron Paul's attention. The decision must be made now by Ron Paul himself, after reading the article, what to do about it.

The media is going to grill Ron Paul about it.

It is best it all be dealt with now.

I join with all who want liberty peace and honesty. This is why I want Ron Paul to be our President.

So let us solve this problem now and bring the statesman Ron Paul into our White House.

Spamming is frowned upon. I

Spamming is frowned upon. I just thought you'd like to know that since you've only been here less than a day.

**Mods** shouldn't we have a grace period on new members posting in threads? It might slow down some of the trolling.

Just a thought.

"The United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that." — Alan Greenspan

Ron Paul please fire Bruce Fein Now!

There is no time to wait. Sibel Edmonds revealed you have traitor in your midst. Do not hesitate. Fire him now. There is no time to lose. Hiring him was honest mistake. Correct it now and fire him. As soon as he is gone, we will single focusedly campaign for you again. Ron Paul, your honesty is needed at helm of our government. Do not let dishonest Bruce Fein sabotage your campaign!

I gotta admit

that it's comical for a guy who signs up 10 hours ago and posts 3 consecutive posts with the same demand, to say that he's going to "single focusedly campaign for you again".

I LOL'd.

BTW I thought the same thing of the guy who signed up yesterday to assure us that Fein was no problem.

Dear Trolls,
We will make our own decisions.
Go away.

Act quickly to save the campaign!

As a passionate Ron Paul supporter since 2002, and ceaseless campaigner for him in Election 2008, we have a real chance to win the Presidency in 2012.

The time is now! Let's not blow it.

If we get rid of Fein instantly it is clear sailing to the White House.

Fire Fein Now!

More of conclusion to Sibel Edmonds article, The Greatest Plot Against the Ron Paul Camp To Date

http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2011/08/30/the-greatest-plot...

(Sibel Edmonds) "I have tried to be brief with carefully and well-sourced facts and cases to provide a factual profile for the real Bruce Fein.

"Considering the facts and who Mr. Fein is, and has been, why would he methodically go about attaching himself to Ron Paul and his campaign?

"After consulting with several well-respected and trust-worthy sources, the troubling answer was summed up in two possibilities:

1- This is a commonly used ploy by the establishment to penetrate Ron Paul and his camp which has been gaining momentum. This is where the plant carries inside information and strategic plans to the establishment, and simultaneously tries to exert negative influence over decision making and strategy-setting processes.

2- The plant willingly and knowingly becomes the fall-guy bringing down the target candidate. Highly damaging and scandalous information about the plant would be strategically released to the media-public, and the candidate suffers the ultimate consequences."

http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2011/08/30/the-greatest-plot...

Ron Paul is honest, Bruce Fein is not. Fire Fein! Save campaign!

Sibel Edmonds article ends this way:

http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2011/08/30/the-greatest-plot...

(Sibel Edmonds) "I was privy to the extensive rap sheet maintained on Mr. Fein, his foreign mob bosses and their operations at J. Edgar Hoover’s FBI. Mr. Fein is well aware of this rap sheet and the FBI’s long-maintained operations.

"I know with certainty that if released by the FBI, whether partially or completely, it would be used as ongoing front-page headlines by the media, to bring down the entire Paul campaign before the primaries.

"Ron Paul already has a highly-respected constitutional scholar who is articulate, eloquent, passionate, and most importantly, trust-worthy, clean, and from outside the poisonous capital beltway.

"That person is Tom Woods. Paul does not need this man Fein. He does not need this glitzy-oily foreign lobbyist who stands in total contrast to Paul’s platform.

"I like Ron Paul. I support his stand on foreign policy related matters and his objectives on what need to be changed. I applaud Paul’s stand on our liberties, and I back his quest for a much smaller government. I have done so for years.

"Please don’t let the establishment succeed in their plot.

"Bruce Fein is the greatest threat to Paul’s movement to date. He would be a stain – a taint; not one easily removed after the fact. Please begin the countdown, and have Ron Paul remove this man from the campaign as a trusted advisor and insider. Let the countdown begin today; at this hour -at this very minute. Before it is too late.

http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2011/08/30/the-greatest-plot...

Sibil Edmunds risked a lot to tell the truth

She gained nothing for doing that. I have to respect her credibility. What does she have to gain from expressing these concerns ?

I think RP staffers should look into these Fein allegations with a fine tooth comb, not just blow it all off.

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Good post Visible!

I thank you for your excellent post visible 51. What you write is true.

did you even watch his latest interview representing rp

the fein conspiracy camp has already been reduced to arguing he 'doesn't have enough emotion' in his voice to represent rp

you're behind the curve

Hubris

There is no sense in excoriating Fein for being a good, well-connected businessman-lobbyist. We know what lobbyists do and how they do it. It's a business. They broker people. This is a non-issue. To twist what Edmonds wrote, there is nothing [good] necessarily bad about a guy who can brag about having AEI, Heritage, Brookings, CIA, State Department on his resume. There [should] can be [no] a role for such a person currently active in these circles in the liberty movement in an "official capacity" and a Ron Paul Presidency would have to stock these groups with their own people to damn well watch them while in the process of trying to unwind the empire. Fein is a guy who is well qualified to help orchestrate that project.

Railing against insider credentials is insipid unless one is in the smash-the-state anarchic mentality. Most people aren't including Ron. He is a minarchist. He is a member of Congress. Maybe we shouldn't trust him either. Does anyone see Lew Rockwell screaming about Fein?

Asking 'Why not hire Bill Kristol?" is just beyond silly.

It is hubris for Edmonds to write that she has still not received word from the Ron Paul campaign re Fein. How large is her hat size?

I have always wondered about Sibel Edmonds, a 9/11 whistleblower whose superiors failed or refused to respond to her concerns pertaining to purported translated testimony that Osama bid Laden was planning to attack the US using commercial aircraft. Consider that he immediately disclaimed involvement in 9/11 until the DOD trotted out a video of the right-handed "Fat Osama" who wore rings on his fingers in a new Wahhabi fashion statement. It is reasonable to assume that Osama, the thin one, had nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11. So Edmonds had to either have been duped or she was just one of the myriad unwitting parts of the psy-op.

Edmonds continues to indicate that Fein has current involvement with the AEI. It wouldn't bother me either way. It's a freaking Moose club for a lot of members. Worse, she has still not disclosed her own interest and effort at involvement as a witness in the Rep. Schmidt case. Again, she does not come to the table with clean hands. She has an axe to grind with Fein.

I should mention how annoying it is that one must pay money to Edmonds in order that one may lodge a comment on Boiling Frogs in response to her writings. No, Sibel, I am not going to pay you a dime. Go get money some other way.

Yours very truly,

Schvenzlerman!

Ron is nobody's fool...

If Fein double crosses Ron...well let's just say it won't stand.

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hm

I don't see much more here then guilt by association. What has he specifically said or done that is objectionable?

Fortune Favors the Bold

Sibel Edmonds has lots more

Check out her blog. She's posting new info every day on Bruce Fein.

http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/page/2/

More Unsupported Statements from Edmonds

In her post on Wednesday, Aug. 31, Edmonds writes:

"This where John Bolton supported Fein(s) stand on Israel and war propaganda against Iran:

In 2010, Fein’s wife, Mattie Fein, began expressing THE COUPLE'S views on Israel and Israel’s interests openly. Some attribute that to Mattie Fein’s desperate need and her fierce competition with Harman over Israel lobby dollars. Here is Mattie’s response to the test question by the Zionist community:

7. Would you support Israel taking military action to stop Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons? Under what circumstances?

The United States should support whatever Israel believes is justified by national security worries over Iran."

(Emphasis Added).

The "sources" that purportedly support Edmonds' claim exclusively contain quotes by Bruce Fein's WIFE. There is no evidence whatsoever that they represent "THE COUPLE'S VIEW."

Once again, Edmonds relies on MRS. Fein to justify her presumptions about MR. Fein's views. She is unable to produce anything aside from quotes by MRS. Fein to support her claims. As I said in my last post, a man's views are often distinct from the views of his wife. To me, that's just obvious. Common sense dictates it, and experience verifies it. Mattie Fein's absurd statements do not justify the presumption that Bruce Fein is pro-war and fanatically pro-israel. In fact, all of Bruce Fein's articles and his recent book, American Empire: Before the Fall, indicate otherwise. Those should be relied on more heavily than statements by his wife.

Edmonds may be distorting the facts because she's angry with Fein for (quite reasonably) ensuring that her testimony was excluded from proceedings before the Ohio Elections Commission a few years ago. See my last post for further information.

Edmonds angry at Fein for WHAT? Oh please

Sibel Edmonds' testimony is IMPORTANT. She was VERY GLAD TO GIVE IT, rejoicing, ELATED that she got to do it! and it's now IN THE PUBLIC RECORD. There's 4 hr. of it from those proceedings. A good written summary (with links) is here:
http://911reports.wordpress.com/2011/01/01/summary-of-fbi-wh...

The videos and more info are here:
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7374

Her testimony was vital background to the case. Fein defended Congresswoman Jean Schmidt during that trial, see here: http://www.taldf.org/ohio_100209.html

Edmonds could not testify in the courtroom NOT b'cuz it wasn't important, but b'cuz SHE WAS UNDER A GAG ORDER FROM THE BUSH DOJ b'cuz SHE WITNESSED treasonous congressional and FBI corruption that involved many members of Congress and other govt agencies. She reported it, she was told to shut up and quit reporting it, she kept reporting it to higher and higher levels, she was reprimanded and fired, she SUED THE FED.GOV and then, instead of a full investigation into what she'd found, she was SLAPPED WITH A DOJ GAG ORDER to protect presidential /congressional /FBI BUTT.

In her deposition she reveals just how, in great detail, the Turkish govt influences US congresspeople and intelligence agents. Messy messy icky stuff, the likes of which Ron Paul has gone as far away from as possible (if I can believe his record which I do, there'd be evidence of it by now if there was corruption like this going on).

People, go LOOK at what she said and what she has done since she was fired /gagged and what she stands for now. Do your homework on this woman. Biog165 makes her out to be some Scary Monster he "doesn't trust anymore"...geesh. In reality she's basically a 'nobody' with no power, no title, no office. But a helluva lotta FACTS from the inside that she is (gasp!) sharing with the whole world!.... unlike our Mr. Fein, who is pretending to be something he is NOT, who has a track record of following the money for any agenda.

Step back

If you know Fein, encourage him to respond.

This has gone on long enough without his response, as in years.

Here's one example...

http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2011/08/31/countdown-day-2-r...

"This is where Ron Paul stands admirably on Israel and its war propaganda against Iran: Cut Foreign Aid, Unshackle Israel and Leave Iran Alone!" *VIDEO*

"In 2010, Fein’s wife, Mattie Fein, began expressing the couple’s views on Israel and Israel’s interests openly. Some attribute that to Mattie Fein’s desperate need and her fierce competition with Harman over Israel lobby dollars. Here is Mattie’s response to test questions by the Zionist community:

http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2010/09/mattie-fein-republi...

I happen to agree with Edmonds.

Fein is not needed.
I'm not interested in rewritting the U.S. Constitution.

Edmonds is Wrong

I once respected Sibel Edmonds. I credited her purported "whistleblowing." No longer. Her unsupported rants against Fein have irreparably damaged her credibility.

I know Mr. Fein. I have read many of his articles and his most recent book. I have conversed with him for hours after speeches. I have heard him speak on numerous occasions. He is no “neoconservative plant,” and he will bolster, not destroy, Ron Paul’s admirable campaign.

Listen to his congressional testimony. Read his articles. He loves the Constitution and Ron Paul’s cause. He lives for both. Every article he has written (and he’s published hundreds or thousands over the years) conveys righteous indignation at the shredding of constitutional protections by our government over the course of the last century. His passion for due process is almost unique in our time.

Edmonds notes that Fein assisted in revising constitutions in countries with tarnished human rights records. But Constitutional revision is all the more necessary for dysfunctional governments. Fein’s work on each of the three-dozen constitutions he helped to revise was aimed at improving our world. Edmonds’ own experience pales in comparison.

Edmonds relies on the fanatical publication called “The Asian Tribune” to support the offensive proposition (or childish insult) that Fein is a “crusty beltway prostitute.” But The Asian Tribune is a known propaganda organ for the Government of Sri Lanka, which made an enemy of Fein by marginalizing and slaughtering Sri Lankan Tamils, an ethnic minority. It’s editor, KT Rajasingham, revealed his propagandist role during a deposition in connection with a defamation suit in Sweeden. See http://www.uktamilnews.com/index.php/archives/17974. To learn more about what sparked Fein’s activism, review the documentary at http://www.channel4.com/programmes/sri-lankas-killing-fields....

Fein has not worked for AEI since 1981. Back then, Wolfowitz and the Neocons were absent. And Fein’s work included Supreme Court analysis only. Regardless, Fein has nothing to do with AEI or the neoconservatives now. His belief in non-interventionism is both lasting and heartfelt.

Edmonds’ only evidence to the contrary originates from speeches by Fein’s wife, Mattie. But it is absurd and arguably sexist to assume that a husband and wife agree on all things. Are James Carville’s views identical to those of Mary Matalin? Mrs. Fein’s views are circumstantial evidence at best, and they are expressly contradicted by Mr. Fein’s consistent, vehement, and vocal adherence to a non-interventionist government limited by the constitution. Why would a neoconservative advocate impeachment for Bush and Cheney?

Edmonds may be fired up against Fein because he quite reasonably ensured her exclusion from a case before the Ohio Elections Commission a few years back. Edmonds’ testimony was deemed irrelevant because she admitted she knew nothing specifically about the congresswoman petitioner. Had I sat on the Ohio Elections Commission, I would have excluded her, too.

The Turkish Coalition of America, which Edmonds derides as a foreign lobby, is nothing of the sort. It is made up of Turkish-AMERICANS. Yalcin Ayasli, TCA's primary funder according to Edmonds, is also a Turkish-AMERICAN. Edmonds should get her facts straight.

Edmonds’ fanaticism deserves rebuke by lovers of liberty. Fein is a champion of our cause. He is one of the few who advocated impeaching Cheney, Bush, and Obama alike for their lawlessness. He deserves respect. I suggest Edmonds read the wealth of reliable information on Fein before continuing to spread the false accusations and reckless speculation contained in the post above.

By Edmonds' lunatic standards, she could be labeled be a neo-conservative plant herself for damaging the credibility of detractors from the movement.

Bruce Fein, lawyer for the Turkish American Legal Defense Fund

http://www.taldf.org/scholar_120108.html

http://www.scribd.com/doc/26734223/Amicus-Brief-Turkish-Amer...

AND... as of May 2011, he still was:
http://www.mirrorspectator.com/2011/05/06/judge-lawyer-can%E...

Commenter Biographer165 has an agenda... perhaps s/he is also part of the Turkish PAC or AIPAC? the two most powerful foreign lobbies on the planet. Dr. Paul has always distanced himself from these sorts of shady deals. His platform /congressional record is diametrically opposed to what Fein stands for.

Biog165 states: "Edmonds relies on the fanatical publication called “The Asian Tribune” to support the offensive proposition (or childish insult) that Fein is a crusty beltway prostitute.” Biog165 wants us to believe that Fein, bless his big heart, was suddenly "sparked into activism" halfway around the world interfering in this particular tiny foreign nation's govt in a disputed genocide... while dismissing the Turkish Armenian genocide and the ongoing Israeli Palestinian genocide or the dozens of other genocides going on in the world at any given time. Selective "heart" I'd say.

We all know these are areas Dr. Paul would not get the US involved in to begin with, not as a congressman nor as president.

PLEASE EVERYONE, Biog165's whole purpose here is to support Bruce Fein no matter what and put down Sibel Edmond's documented inside knowledge of how the Turkish and Israeli govts use their influence behind the scenes with corrupt congresspeople. Smells a little fishy to me.

I support Sibel's opinion b'cuz of her status as an FBI whistleblower who lost her job b'cuz she DID her job.

I support Ron Paul and the things he brings to this campaign. "Dr. NO's" famous track record is proven... and so is Bruce Fein's. Everybody go look for yourselves, make up your own minds.

Brucie Fein!?! Is that you!?!

Brucie Fein!?! Is that you!?! Lol. Welcome to the Daily Paul :)

Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto. - T. Jefferson rЭVO˩ution

"Everyone wants to live at the expense of the state. They forget that the state wants to live at the expense of everyone.” - BASTIAT

zing...

LOL

I am not Bruce Fein :)

I'm not Bruce Fein! Lol... Just a concerned reader who happens to be better informed on Fein's history than Sibel Edmonds. I was an angry reader this morning, too, since Edmonds made poorly supported accusations against someone I respect. My temper has since cooled. Apologies if my rhetoric was excessive. I hope the information in my post was helpful anyway.

Just having a little fun. If

Just having a little fun. If you're not, you're not doing it right :)

Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto. - T. Jefferson rЭVO˩ution

"Everyone wants to live at the expense of the state. They forget that the state wants to live at the expense of everyone.” - BASTIAT