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War by Thomas Jefferson

"I abhor war and view it as the greatest scourge of mankind."

"Whenever an appeal to force shall take place, I feel a perfect confidence that the energy and enterprise displayed by my fellow citizens in the pursuits of peace, will be equally eminent in those of war."

"How much better is it for neighbors to help than to hurt one another; how much happier must it make them. If you will cease to make war on one another, if you will live in friendship with all mankind, you can employ all your time in providing food and clothing for yourselves and your families. Your men will not be destroyed in war, your women and children will lie down to sleep in their cabins without fear of being surprised by their enemies and killed or carried away. Your numbers will be increased instead of diminished, and you will live in plenty and in quiet."—Address To Mandar Nation 1806

"To cherish and maintain the rights and liberties of our citizens, and to ward from them the burthens, the miseries, and the crimes of war, by a just and friendly conduct towards all nations * * * [are] among the most obvious and important duties of those to whom the management of their public interests * * * [are] confided."

"War is not the best engine for us to resort to; nature has given us one in our commerce, which, if properly managed, will be a better instrument for obliging the interested nations of Europe to treat us with justice."

* "We wish to avoid the necessity of going to war. till our revenue shall be entirely liberated from debt. Then it will suffice for war, without creating new debt or taxes."

"Never was so much false arithmetic employed on any subject, as that which has been employed to persuade nations that it is their interest to go to war. Were the money which it has cost to gain, at the close of a long war, a little town, or a little territory, the right to cut wood here, or to calch fish there, expended in improving what they already possess, in making roads, opening rivers, building ports, improving the arts, and finding employment for their idle poor, it would render them much stronger, much wealthier and happier. This I hope will be our wisdom."

"I have seen enough of one war never to wish to see another."

"I think one war enough for the life of one man; and you and I have gone through one which at least may lessen our impatience to embark in another. Still, if it becomes necessary,we must meet it like men, old men indeed, but yet good for something."—To John Langdon 1808

"No country, perhaps, was ever so thoroughly against war as ours. These dispositions pervade every description of its citizens, whether in or out of office."

"The evils which of necessity encompass the life of man are sufficiently numerous. Why should we add to them by voluntarily distressing and destroying one another? Peace, brothers, is better than war. In a long and bloody war, we lose many friends and gain nothing."

"I do not believe war the most certain means of enforcing principles. Those peaceable coercions which are in the power of every nation, if undertaken in concert and in time of peace, are more likely to produce the desired effect."

"When peace becomes more losing than war, we may prefer the latter on principles of pecuniary calculation. But for us to attempt, by war, to reform all Europe, and bring them back to principles of morality, and a respect for the equal rights of nations, would show us to be only maniacs of another character."

** "Sound principles will not justify our taxing the industry of our fellow citizens to accumulate treasure for wars to happen we know not when, and which might not perhaps happen but from the temptations offered by that treasure."

"It is our duty still to endeavor to avoid war; but if it shall actually take place, no matter by whom brought on, we must defend ourselves. If our house be on fire, without inquiring whether it was fired from within or without, we must try to extinguish it. In that, I have no doubt, we shall act as one man."

"The most successful war seldom pays for its losses."



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Ron Paul Is Best Described As A ;

Jeffersonian Republican.

beesting

RP's favorite founding father -- According to RP is Adams

but he was an admirer of Jeffersons -- on certain issues anyway.

Jefferson wanted to re-deliver Haiti back to the hands of Napoleon after the Haitian Revolution. Jefferson feared slave revolts as most whites in the south did and he was after-all a slave owner and Francophile.

Jefferson (also) did not adhere to the Constitution -- he circumvented on issues Ron Paul would never approve.

As did Washington and Adams in fact.

In truth Ron Paul would be the "hero" of the Founding Father's.

OctoBox, I don't think I will Ever Agree With You On This Issue.

Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence to the King of England, who some say was one of the greatest of political writings, ever.

Here is a recent video where Ron Paul mentions Jefferson 3 times and never mentions John Adams:

http://youtu.be/1EsMMkiEgQs

Dr. Paul also mentions the no entangling alliances clause found in Article I section 10 paragraph 1 said to be attributed to the writings of Jefferson.
I have extensively read the writings of Thomas Jefferson and feel that Ron Paul has also read a lot of his writings.

http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/collections/jefferson_papers/

{Excerpt from above link} The complete Thomas Jefferson Papers from the Manuscript Division at the Library of Congress consists of approximately 27,000 documents. This is the largest collection of original Jefferson documents in the world.

Here is something Jefferson wrote also, that you may be interested in:

Jefferson wrote: "I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself.
Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all"-THOMAS JEFFERSON.
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I would guess this is something Dr. NO has read also, and yes I agree, Ron Paul would be the "Hero" of the Founding Father's.

beesting

Beesting: There's a video on Youtube

asking RP "who is your favorite founding father" and RP said "Adams" -- the interviewer was a tiny bit suprised and asked about Jefferson to which RP said he liked Jefferson on some issues.

Did I say RP hated or disliked Jefferson?

Jefferson circumvented the constitution -- he was NOT a constitutionalist.

I really don't know what you are disagreeing with I'm quoting historical facts.

1) Jefferson was very very very close to aiding France in gaining Haiti back from the Afro-Haitian Revolution. John Q. Adams was adamant that Jefferson not aid Napoleon and cheered the slave revolution -- he was one of very few.

2) Jefferson bought the Louisiana Purchase without consent of Congress -- this was way way outside Constitutional pervue.

The list goes on and on.

Ron Paul is a Constitutionalist -- period!

Washington and Adams were not Constitutional Purists either.

Again -- I don't know what you are on about, I was just pointing out what RP said when asked who his favorite founder was.

We need to stop harking back -- there was no "Freer" periods in US history -- the farther you go back the fewer the people could vote or even participate in gov't.

Instead of expanding the vote we should of kept on shrinking it 'till voting itself was outlawed -- then you would of had a free-society.

"That George Mason was the

"That George Mason was the author of the Bill of Rights and of the Constitution founded on it., the evidence of the day established fully in my mind."— Jefferson To Henry Lee 1825

"The fact is unquestionable, that the Bill of Rights and the Constitution of Virginia were drawn originally by George Mason, one of our really great men. and of the first order of greatness." - Jefferson To A. B. Woodward 1825

Jefferson was honest -- too honest to deny that he copied a great part of the Declaration from George Mason's writings, and too honest not to admit that George Mason was the author of the writings from which he borrowed so much. - George Mason and the Rights of Men By R. Carter Pittman : http://rcarterpittman.org/essays/Mason/George_Mason_and_the_...

13 No servant can serve two masters; for either he shall hate the one, and love the other, or else he shall lean to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and riches. - Luke 16