Kos Is A Koward
From the latest trumped-up, flimsy, obsessive-compulsive attempt to paint Ron Paul as a former sheet-wearing comrade of Robert Byrd, by that seething, party-line-walking coward, Markos of Daily Kos:
Of course, Paul's supporters will take this post, along with any other criticism of their demigod, as evidence that he is "feared" or other such nonsense. Hardly. When he cracks single digits in the polls in any state we can start worrying. Until then, he doesn't even reach "Ross Perot-like nut" status. I worry about McCain. I worry about Huckabee. I used to worry about Giuliani. But Paul? Nah. He is what he is -- fringe.
But it's also clear that some of his supporters would benefit from a full airing and education about what Paul stands for and has stood for in his years in the public limelight. If people still want to support him despite his bigotry, then that actually says more about his supporters than about Ron Paul himself.
--Kos
Let's dissect this benevolent vitriol, shall we?
First, Markos assures us that he isn't afraid of a single-digit fringe candidate. OK, makes sense so far (never mind that polls are like bellybuttons)...
But here we are, reading another dedicated attack on that same single-digit fringe candidate, just like the one he launched the day before. Qué?
And just to put Paul into context, Kos issues him a "fear rating" below that of McCain and Huckabee -- the two Republican candidates who are racing towards the warm cozy center on every issue, fighting over who will be the biggest sellout of their party, and rushing to greet Hillary in the middle of Red Square under the new single-party banner. The two candidates who's support, such as it is, is so incredibly focused as to be drowned out by their own self-trumpeting. The two guys who have zero chance of beating any of the Democratic candidates, including the milquetoast John Edwards. Kay...
So why write the post? Ah, it's for us, he says, the ignorant Paul supporters, who are in need of political enlightenment from a self-professed party cheerleader. A man, and a community, who's motto might have read: "Daily Kos: Taking a Principled Stand for Whatever the Wind Blows Our Way." This...person...is hating us, and our candidate, for our own good, just like his slave-holding Southern Democrat kinfolk of yore, "whippin' sum sense" into us poor, backward, unenlightened manimals -- the only way we can understand it, don'tcha know.
Well, bless his heart.
The fact is, Kos is terrified. Why else would he even bother writing Ron Paul hit-pieces on his singular blog with its sole purpose of "Democratic electoral victory" -- the same Ron Paul who is apparently doing the Democrats a favor by siphoning votes away from the legitimate Republican threats? Any Democratic bullhorn worth his baton should be propping up Herr Hitler for an easy takedown in the general election. By his own statements, Kos finds Paul's supporters repulsive, so we know he isn't trying to sway us to vote for "a Democrat, any ol' Democrat'll do," along with him and his staunchly convictional D-voters. Besides, we're too ignorant to understand the depth of their wishy-washy ideology; Ron Paul, by Kos' own reckoning, is much too "fringe" for any of his jack-booted thugs to find a home among the enlightened Kossack race. And if he truly does fear those other Republican candidates, why would he want to say anything that might convince Paul supporters to jump ship for, say, Mike "Paul-Lite" Huckabee? Could it be that he wants exactly that, because he knows those other candidates are not to be feared -- not even if his "master plan" were to be realized? If so, is this not in fact evidence that Paul is feared?
Am I wrong, Kos? If you don't want us, and you don't want your most-feared enemies to have us, then presumably you just want us to stay home on election day. But why? Hmmm? Could this latest dose of virulent hate be just a "nice attempt to spin away" your own fear?
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He looks like a big time loser to me. Why bother with this jerk? Let's focus our energies canvassing etc and stop giving jerky kos any type of web traffic.
Its libertarianism he fears
Just imagine for a moment, that Dr. Paul had the Charisma and speaking ability of Barrack Obama (as well as his own character, courage ,and brains). He would be a run away favorite.
Its the Ideas that are powerful, not the man. It is the ideas Kos is trying to paint as odd, since he loves the welfare state. And of course, he loves the welfare state because he arrogantly believes that he knows what is best for us, and if only HE had control, he could fix the worlds problems. It allows him to be humanitarian, without really getting his hands dirty by touching people that need help. He'd rather fight for a government program to feed poor children, than actually feed them himself. He could then decide which of the beggars would loose.
I agree. There was even an
I agree. There was even an attempt by Kos to paint himself and his drones as 'Kos Libertarians'. The term of course is bull, as it is just standard Democrats dressed in something that is becoming very popular. So both sides of the establishment are utterly terrified about the rise of libertarianism.
KOS wants Democrats to win.
KOS wants Democrats to win. He knows that Paul is garnering massive support from Democrats that can finally see that they are no different than the Republicans. Both support the corporatist oligarchy (with a few rare exceptions in the house and senate.)
KOS is scared because good little Democrats like my parents have woken up and re-registerd as Republicans to vote for Ron Paul!
I think you're right of
I think you're right of course. I was just analyzing Markos based on what he says, which is clearly deceptive. He is just trying to slow the flood of Democrats like your parents, the only way he knows how: with ad hominem attacks and guilt by association. Ron Paul's politics are essentially unassailable, because it all boils down to individual rights. Kos knows he can't argue against that, because that's what the Democrats have always claimed to stand for.
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AWESOME BLOG... with one disagreement...
I have to admit that this was one *HELL* of a blog and well-thought out, with the exception of one tiny disagreement...
I think Kos is more afraid of Ron Paul because he will pull from Democrats more than Republicans... Even the news media have been discussing what effect Ron Paul would have on the elections and have tossed out the idea that he would pull more from Demos than Repubs...
I can tell you from a Democratic perspective that it is not JUST economic reasons that Democrats vote Democrat, but a civil liberties issue.
The Republicans have been so hand in hand with the religeous far-right for so long (which is quite staunch and probably the 28% still supporting Bush) that people have voted Democrat just to offset the repression that would come from a Republican controlled congress....
True alot of people like the idea of Nationalized (or Socialized) Medicine which on the far-extreme left *does* have certain merits... And alot of people think that certain states would not offer them the *rights* they deserve without the federal government involving themselves as with the topic of abortion. But alot of people have aligned themselves with Democrats purely for the social issues... i.e. abortion, assisted suicide, gay rights, legalizing drugs etc. etc. etc.. The Republicans are very VERY conservative on these issues.... so alot of people vote Democrat strickly for these reasons.... put economic reasons aside...
It is these very social issues that Ron Paul is offering the Democrats that are enticing them (like me) to vote for him and also BECAUSE of his economic reasons....
There has always been a 50/50 concern among voters on social vs economic issues... and its been those social issues which has so divided the public. So I guess in essence I have been saying that in MY case... its more the social issues in the past that have swayed me to vote democratic...
NOW THE ECONOMIC ISSUES and ANTI-WAR issues are becoming more important to me than social issues... so here I find myself leaning towards a candidate with conservative fiscal and economic issues, anti-war, and social issues I find acceptable...
I think this is where Ron Paul will find his biggest base.... I think he will never crack the religeous-right and that 29% of the far religeous-right...
anyway,,,, just my thoughts on why he is going to pull more support from the democrats than the repubs and why KOS finds him so threatening...
You make some great points
You make some great points there. I'd agree with all that. And not just because you gave me a compliment. :-)
I think you and I are polar opposites. A lot of what you say rubs me the wrong way, I suspect because you came to Ron Paul from the other direction. And I bet you feel the same about me a lot of the time, so I try to keep that in mind. I only bring this up because I find it interesting that so many people with differing views can all see something worth supporting in Ron Paul. Whereas otherwise, you and I would likely only ever meet on the "field of battle," as it were.
Another point: whenever I have these thoughts, I find myself trying hard not to use language that "deifies" Paul. This is why I tend to refer mostly to his last name. Does anyone else ever feel like that? When I read certain phrases like, "he's brought us all together," honestly, it can start to sound a little creepy. I keep this in mind because I've noticed the haters talk about us like we're a cult, and maybe if you're on the outside just peeking in, it might appear that way.
Just my rambling thoughts....
P.S. you shouldn't have been so rotten to Jane. She is a true Paul supporter and very helpful to this community. So that was uncool and uncalled for, when you called her a stalker and to go away. :-( But I'm nasty too, a lot of the time, so I'm not judging you. Just raising an obvious point. Feel free to pick me apart when I deserve it, as I often will I'm sure.
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See, I think we have *more* in common than you think....
I *LOVED* your post and it has great points. If you read it again you will see that I *admit* you are 100% correct in your economic reasons for supporting Paul and I now endorse and embrace you on the economic reasons....
I never really paid as much attention to them as I should... It was always the SOCIAL issues that turned me against voting Republican... In the past, I have had to fight for the same social issues that I endorse... i.e. gay rights (been through the seventies and the eighties when aids KILLED the gay rights movements - comments like God is Punishing the gays just drove me beserk), assissted suicide (how Dr. Kavorkian was so mis-aligned with the media and persecuted for fighting in a right he believes in), abortion (for social AND economic reasons I am on the side of a womans rights to have one and WONT go into a fight on this issue wether right or wrong... for many reasons), etc. etc. etc... I found the rise of the religeous right wing AGAIN rearing its ugly head as a threat to civil liberties...
So I fought the only way I knew how... voting democratic... all the time abhoring the vast expendature of wasted money. DOES ANYONE like all the unneccessary spending in the government - NO - its driving people crazy for years and they are sick and tired of it....
But until Dr. Paul... there has never been a choice one way or the other... that was a viable alternative... But this year, I started looking at Paul from an Anti-War stance... and THEN I began looking at him from an economic stance and my awareness has been elevated to the dangers posed by the feds, inflating our money, etc etc. etc...
The simple statement that the poor are getting poorer comes from inflating the dollar just broke the door down...
Suffice to say that except for the issue that Paul will pull more from democrats than republicans, I am on board with you 100% - I dont think we are polar opposites so much... I really dont... I think we would be great friends and like converting people to Ron Paul perhaps I could convert you into MY way of thinking...
I am not one to hate someone for their political beliefs... its everyones fundamental rights... but I have always looked poorly on someone who wants to take away someones rights (is it any wonder why women who are so adamant on the abortion issue will never vote for Paul? They just cant see past the abolish Roe Vs Wade issue...)
Anyway :) :) I just wanted to say I tought your post from an economic standpoint was right on... and I only disagree in that KOS is scared of Paul as he knows Paul will hurt the Demo's more than the Repubs....
for someone scared of the republican party I guess he would look at Ron Paul as a great danger - especially with that *republican* label...
p.s. concerning Jane... I have tried to be nice to her - *kisses Jane* but she has this *thing* against me, convinced I am a troll, she does stalk me around the board... every issue I post she attacks--- I think its a love/hate relationship LOL... I actually like Jane because she is so radially Ron Paul... just a tad obsessed though...
As to the evangelical wing
As to the evangelical wing of the Republican Party, it may interest and even surprise you to know that I ally myself with Christopher Hitchens on religion. As a free-thinking person, I find religion to be a stifling and decidedly negative force, but I respect the rights of others to express their beliefs on private property. That's why I can accept a church steeple capped with an enormous crucifix, for example; even though I'd rather not have to look at them, they are on private property and that's that. What I can't accept is overt religious propaganda in public spaces, schools, etc. That is offensive to me personally and an affront to the principles the republic was founded on. If a courthouse is going to have a monument to the Ten Commandments, I expect a statue of the Flying Spaghetti Monster right next to it. But then where does it end? This is why all religious propaganda must be banned in the public space (i.e., any place supported by taxes).
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That was a neat exchange! I
That was a neat exchange!
I agree that raising Paul to some kind of sainthood is a bit ridiculous. He argues that it isn't him, it is his message.
The USA is finally ready for the libertarian message.
So I agree, but come on, his record speaks for itself! THAT is what is getting people so fired up! It certainly isn't his speaking prowress, his youthful good looks, or his star quality. He personifies integrity. He is the antithesis of what the DC/Hollywood machine tries to sell us.
Regular folks, trying to mimic the crap we are fed from the MSM, are now being attacked, and the insinuation is that it is some kind of cult, creating our own reality. It is a tactic that 'they' (any group) use. Get over it. Neocons are a warmongering cult. We are the freedom cult.
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I too resent the *cult* label...
While I resent the cult label of the media... And I do not *diefy* him.. he is just a man, albiet very intelligent, no doubt about it... We are kinda cultish in our support and admiration of him...
Did a candidate EVER have such a fanatical following... we stand on roads waving sighs, we sent tremendous amounts of money... people say they would take a bullet for Ron Paul (lots of those types of posts) etc. etc. etc..
I dont see anything wrong with being fanatical about Paul... (I like your idea of just using the last name... will continue that...)
He is opening the eyes of many Americans... and there are *LOTS* of people who are extremely dissatisfied with the current state of affairs.
Accepting bribes, lying, cheating, stealing... its always been the way of politicians... now we have someone DIFFERENT...
Love the jokes about politicians too....
Thanks phoobar
Nice piece of writing. Fact is, Kos website is trash and has been for a while.
They are such extremist haters, the KKK got nuthin' on them.
In fact I haven't seen this much hatred from a so-called hate group in a long time, that I am going to start calling the Kos, the KKKos. LOL
They ARE afraid because we DO stand for something, which the GOP hasn't for a long time.
Well said. In fact, you
Well said. In fact, you summed up my long-winded rant quite nicely.
Thanks for reading. :-)
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Keep up the 'airing' of RP's views
The fact that Markos lies, trying to diminish what's going on, says it all.
They should be very afraid of him because Ron Paul is the only candidate running who can actually call himself a “uniter not a divider” – maybe the only one ever who can say that.
He makes the Democrats, excluding Kucinich and Gravel, look painfully dishonest re the war AND foreign policy generally. I remember Kos saying he himself was quite 'hawkish' - yuck.
He threatens to neutralize all the hot-button issues which make Dems foam at the mouth - abortion, drug legalization, gay marriage by offering the only sane choice which is to leave them to the states. (I think even Dems are fed up with the neverending Roe vs. Wade struggle and want it just to go away) These issues are the bread and butter of both sides - they can trot out old faithful (abortion) and make us vote on it again and again and again.
But mostly I think it is because RP clearly doesn’t hate anyone, doesn’t have a hateful bone in his body and might make conservatives or other small government-types look human.
And it's motivating people in a way his big govt ideas never ever will.
"What does conservatism today stand for? It stands for war. It stands for power. It stands for spying, jailing without trial, torture, counterfeiting without limit, and lying from morning to night."
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THey can bash Ron Paul all they want
the democrat party is going to fall flat on their faces. Only Dennis Kucinich has real democratic views and they aren't going to nominate him. They are going to nominate a neo-con, and they should be humiliated for their terrible failure. And as they bash Ron Paul out of jealousy for his success,They are gonna nominate a fascist and they deserve it. At least we will go kicking and screaming and will not compromise.
New Hampshire Libertarians are registered independents. They have flocked to NH since Pat Buchannon won in 1996. We will slaughter them. Its PWN time. They have not a chance.
It is truly scary over there...
What a trip, huh? I have spent a couple of hours over there, reading primarily the thread you are talking about, as well as a couple of economic-related ones. My resulting impresssion (along with the little bit of throw-up in the back of my throat) is similar to yours. They fear us GREATLY.
One thing I did hear over ther that made me wonder was this: there are many that are actually cheering us on in the sense that we will not actually get enough delegates to win the nomination outright and that the Ron Paul Revolution will approach the National Convention in Minneapolis in the fall with a sense of militantcy....thus fracturing the Republican Party similar to how the Democratic Convention ( and the party) was busted up in 1968 by Abbie Hoffman and the Yippies. On the recent "1968" TV show Pat Buchanan said that it was that fracturing of the Democaratic party that lead to Republican political superiority over the next 30+ years.
My first impression is that if we DO fracture and take down the Republican party as we know it, it is a good thing from which Ron Paul constitutional libertarianism can grow from the ashes. BUT, can we posssibly accept Democratic bullshit rule and slow decay during that time?
OBVIOUSLY, the best thing is for us to make sure that Ron Paul wins the nomination. I firmly believe that when put on a stage with the Democratic candidate he will shine like a new diamond in the face of the recycled rhetoric Clinton/Obama regurgitates. The presidency will be ours.
Just some thoughts upon returning from there.....
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My feeling is, at this
My feeling is, at this point, I *hope* we "destroy" the GOP. Because what that will really mean is that we've destroyed the neocons, then maybe the real Republicans will wake up and smell the ashes and take back their party.
And believe me, there are plenty of Dems who feel the same about their party. They want a lot more socialism and eco-slavery than they're getting.
Nobody is happy this election, except Ron Paul supporters. We actually stand for something, so everyone else hates us because we are a mirror to their own lack of substance.
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REALITY TIME FOLKS- Democrats are going to take the elections..
Oh come on... To think that the Democrats are going to loose to the Republicans THIS TIME AROUND is wishful-thinking.... Everyone knows the Republican party is going to go down in flames this election... EVERY ONE of the Republicans up for re-election is sweating big-time right now.
The public is sick and tired of the Republican Party... and well they should be... they have shown to be corrupt, disceitful, dishonest, etc. etc. etc...
What is going for Ron Paul is that he is NOT the typical modern day Republican but appeals to all parties... Frankly I THINK HE IS GOING TO PULL MORE SUPPORT FROM THE DEMOS THAN THE REPUBS AND my concern is that if he does run third party it will be to the republicans benefits...
But lets not go there yet.... He will win the republican nomination and then show that he is for EVERYONE...
Devil!!!! What's Up?????
Look my friend, you an I share a kindred spirit, but are you really this pessimistic? I pay as much attention to the Democratic race as the Republican, and I just do not see a candidate over there any more solid than the mess of flawed characters here on the Republican side.
Hillary is a cold, calculating, HUGE government, status quo establishment corporate pawn that leaves any democrat desireous of change looking elsewhere. Obama is an inexperienced generalist incapable of giving a straight answer and is as wishy washy as Romney. BOTH are pro war, pro taxation, pro status quo....
The stage is set for Ron Paul. I personally think that he looks even BETTER in a one on one debate next to a Democrat than a Republican. Liberty in all it's forms is a concept that many moderate/disaffected democrats will LOVE (you know, don't you). Yes, that is why he might help them if he ran third party.
Upon reflection over the past few minutes, I think that: ONE - I want Ron Paul to win the Republican nomination. Given that he will win the presidentcy. TWO - IF he does not win the nomination, I would wish for him to go to the Republican National Convention so that we could all have a huge Tea Party for control of the Republican Party....even if it means reducing it to rubble and allowing the Democrats to win the election this time around.
HERE"S WHY - I firmly believe that IF the Democratic nominee was president, the next four years would be exactly the same as the past seven with regards to international relations (the war(s)) etc. The economy will tank regardless. The ineffectual leadership will be exposed for what it is - more of the same. At that point all of those self-satisifed, intellectual masturbators over at Daily KOS will be discredited (they currently spout that a Democrat will end the war and solve our economy ASAP).
When BOTH the Republicrat and Democan parties as we currently know them are destroyed at their foundations we can begin to restore the Republic. Barring a Ron Paul nomination win, that is the best we can hope for.
Buck up Camper!!!! It is all good!!!
See you in Minneapolis!!! (one way or the other...)
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Read my post above...
LOL... while you were posting, I was posting... read the above fresh post....
Spin job
Are you kidding? Clinton left us in an economic downturn but was spun as the 'best president' and who repaired the economy even though he stole from social security to balance the budget. We will never get the truth even if Demcrats start WWIII
I hear ya, Jane...
No doubt, the spin will continue, but the horrible theory of a Democratic president and Congress will be faced with the realities and impending mess that our national debt, war on terror, etc will provide. They are utterly incapable of solving those messes with anything they espouse. From that morass will arise the Libertarian Republicans, appealing to those traditionally associating with the party, but also with disaffected democrats and independents.
Trust me, these two groups are ALREADY the most fertile ground for new Ron Paul recruits I have found during this campaign. I myself am one of them. So is my wife, my Dad, my sister, my best friend, etc.
I really do believe we can win the nomination THIS time. But today has been cause for some mild speculation. The results have been exciting, I have to admit.
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Spin AWAY... JANE...
go stalk elsewhere...
It's not fear, they are
It's not fear, they are hoping to drive site traffic. That is all.
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Nonsense. Why do some people
Nonsense.
Why do some people think traffic is so valuable, and something that we must avoid giving to our enemies? They want to sway opinion and manipulate the world as much as possible from their relatively obscure pedestal. They know they will never wield any elective power, but they're going to do everything they can to meddle in the lives of their neighbors. This is how they feel alive.
If Kos makes FRN$0.02 in the process, then good for him. I hope he makes millions, so he'll wake up to the fact that taxes = theft, and close down his cesspool of hate.
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Curious Question... Why does Kos fear Ron Paul so much...
Having gotten my hands dirty posting over there... I ask this question of everyone on *this* the sane website...
Why does the Daily Kos hate RON PAUL TEN TIMES MORE THAN ANY OTHER REPUBLICAN???
I think they are MORE SCARED of Ron Paul than any other candidate... and they should be...
How about an answer?
He's draining their pool!!
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I think he is pissed cause we go there proslytizing
The site is for getting Dems elected.. nothing more or less.. The feel we have invaded them.. What if Hillary people started posting here on Why we should join her... we would get pissed.. especially if we had to flag them every time taking up our time...etc..
Actually, I have one good reason for supporting Hillary...
*if* Ron Paul is not on the ballot come election day.... I will vote Hillary over Ghouliani any day or McCain or Huckabee or Romney... because I hate them more than Hillary...
I have been bashed for saying this before and told "write in Ron Paul or dont vote at all..."
true voting for Hillary is the lesser of two evils... but I really *truly* dont consider her a Neo-Con vs the other republican candidates and that is the most important thing to me right now...
and some other reasons I wont go into, suffice to say I dont want to waste my vote AGAINST the neo-cons...
And others will say.... dont vote at all,,, or write in Ron Paul (I cant in Texas, write ins are not allowed) but I just have this BIG-TIME hatred of the right-wing religous-ass sucking Neo-Cons...
Hate to break this to you...
But Hillary is more neo-con than any of the others on the D ticket...
If its down to Hillary and someone other than Ron Paul on the R side, then I'll vote the same way I have in the last 3 elections: libertarian.