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Ron Complains (rightfully) About MSNBC Debate

Right on the Iowa Caucuses website:

“Anytime I got a chance to express the overall philosophy of limited government and sticking to principles and the Constitution, the people responded,” he said, referring to debate audience members. “The frustration to me last night was some of the very important things that are my key issues … they almost seemed to not want me to talk about. I really didn’t have much chance to talk about foreign policy and they asked other people about the Federal Reserve.”

Paul chuckled, then continued:

“I really understand what they do, but it’s still a little bit annoying because those are the things that I want to emphasize,” he said. “But I guess in some ways, when others start using some of my language, maybe that’s a type of a victory as well.”

LINK:
http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2011/09/08/paul-911-ta...

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IMHO directing particular

IMHO directing particular questions to particular candidates, rather than letting ALL candidates take a crack at EVERY question, is a glaring corruption of the debate format.

Yes it might be boring if most of the candidates did "me too" answers. But it would also be instructive. Meanwhile we've seen how the current format can be used to let the media play to the strengths of their favorites while burying the strengths of others (like Ron).

Perhaps a compromise where each candidate is allotted an equal number of one-minute slots and can use them to demand an opportunity to also take a crack at a particular question - at a cost of losing an opportunity to be questioned later.

Let's complain to the networks about the current format and suggest such alternatives.

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(PS: Does anybody know how to switch the spell checker in Netscape from British Isles to American English? B-b )

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"Obama’s Economists: ‘Stimulus’ Has Cost $278,000 per Job."

That means: For each job "created or saved" about five were destroyed.

Bad Media Money Bomb

I think we need to have a bad media Money bomb for Ron Paul to have some tv advertising of how blatent the attacks on Him are. How they are manipulating the news and stretching the facts. How they ignore him and Ignore us They are even ignoring their own polls. They could be featured in the political adds as well.

EXCELLENT idea !!

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I'm contacting my local

I'm contacting my local meetgroup to check into paying for a prime tv spot in my area.

I'm also going to check into door hangers and see if we can get a group together to go out to houses. The more people we get and the earlier we do it the better the domino effect will be.

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In Future Debates

Ron, in future debates if you aren't being asked questions that you feel are relevant by midway through the debate, simply start addressing some of those important points by exposing the situation to the viewers and moderators. Simply bring up the subject yourself and don't back down on mere promises!

I thought that is what he did

I thought that is what he did every chance he got in the debate. He only was asked a few questions and he immediately changed the topic to cover some of him more important issues.

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Another complaint: which other

candidate is routinely referred to as, "the (insert number)-year old..." as in this article.

Is this not straight-out ageism?

The Tea Party Debate Monday, Sept. 12..Hit Em with This!

Why haven't they talked about these issues of mine back in 07'? Why are they parroting my language on the Federal Reserve and bringing the troops home? Is it because my message is resonating with the American people and winning, while they have no message of their own?

Why do they keep asking me about Heroin? I never brought the subject of Heroin up, they did. Prohibition doesn't work, they tried it with alcohol. If Heroin were made legal is there any of you out there that would immediately go out and use it?

MSNBC is a very LIBERAL news channel so they had an agenda...

To expose the WEAKNESSES of the republican candidates up their - Not for an honest debate.

Obvioulsy they are scared to death of Ron Paul's true principles on issues like the war because he would get a LOT of bi-partisan support for that (which would threaten their man in the White House).

So naturally they stayed away from asking him questions like that.

FOX does the oppposite to Ron Paul. Since establishment republicans love war and want to keep bombing the hell out of the middle east, FOX tries to trip up Ron Paul with stupid national security questions.

In both cases it is very scripted and dishonest.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

GE Is the Largest Military Industrial Complex Benefactor...

They own MSNBC! There is much more at stake for them than being labelled as the liberal network here. They use liberalism as a cover for what they are really up to...perpetuating continuous death and suffering around the world, from the weapons they manufacture, which reap huge corporate profits, all in the name of God, Country and Patriotism. They are pure evil simple and true! There is no way in "Their Hell" that they will ever give Dr. Paul any traction knowing that he would nip their little party in the bud!

"Liberty tastes sweetest to those who fight for it, and most bitter to those who work to deny it!"

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Two sides of the same coin is more like it

MSNBC is not "liberal," it's a corporate globalist propaganda machine pretending to be on the left. Fox is run by the same NWO elitist scum and they pretend to be "right wing." C'mon people there is no "left" and "right" this should be well understood already. This is basic stuff! All msm is propaganda disguised as news. Go to youtube and look up how Obama, Bush, Cheney, Palin, and even blowhard Limbaugh are all related by blood. Nothing has changed from Bush to Obama. The sheep are divided and conquered, arguing endlessly over nothing! Freedom can and will unite both of these phoney "sides."

Excellent reminder: there is no right and left.

Excellent reminder: there is no right and left. That false paradigm has infected the brains of the masses and must be eradicated every time it occurs even in what seems casual conversation. Liberty is a package deal. People actually are programmed to think they must either be in favor of Massive Entitlement Programs (and get the prepackaged programmed feeling that they are compassionate and on the left when the in reality there is no left and Entitlement Programs are not compassionate) or the Warfare State (and get the prepackaged programmed feeling they are being tough and strong on the right when in reality there is no right and the Warfare State is riddled with fear and insecurity). Lets delete the left-right virus and replace it with the reality choice: Liberty versus Tyranny.

Liberty vs. tyranny is right!

a pair of confirming links:

www.downsizedcfoundation.org/blog/our-lexicon-leftstatists-a...

www.dailypaul.com/157321/an-ode-to-the-statist-community-was...

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

not good enough to complain about it on your website...

he needs to take them head on.

see my thoughts here...

http://www.dailypaul.com/178086/changing-the-game#comment-18...

fireant --- I Agree, But Did Not Waste Time on Perry

Media HIDES Perry's baggage: 1)Democrat, 2)Absolutist Authoritarian rule-by-Executive-Law using police force into private households (HPV), 3)hillarycare.
Media HIDES Federal Reserve chairman Herman Cain's baggage, throws him softballs.

If Cain was front runner, Paul should go after him. Media will NOT do the job. They are 'in the business of arbitrarily eliminating candidates' (direct paraphrase), hiding shortcomings of their own chosen nominee, denying America the visibility and full spectrum debate.

I agree totally with your comment otherwise. I should add, imho.

No, It's not a "type of victory." It is a counter attack.

It's just another typical way for the establishment to further co opt those who would choose outside of the media candidates if they were to continue speaking their own rhetoric. It's like saying that George W's campaign speeches in 2007-2008 were some kind of victory for America. All of us here know that this the same crap that happens every election cycle. Spout the rhetoric that the voters want to hear, get elected, then do whatever the hell you want. As long as they can continue to suppress Dr. Paul and his message, all they must do is to deny their contradictory history and repeat the siren's song all the way to the nomination.

It is unacceptable for any of us to think that is a victory. Including Dr. Paul. I wish he would call out their phoniness to their faces and declare his record as proof he is the only one to be trusted.

It bothers me when Dr. Paul accepts their regurgitation of an honest message knowing they are in no way sincere about embodying nor acting upon it.

True dat.

True dat.

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So what? Don't you know all this going in? Deal with it.

Nothing personal, but this kind of post reminds me of the whiney kid on the playground because some "bully" took his ball. Go get the ball back. If they're talking about your issue, you have made progress. If you fail to capitalize on that progress, shame on you.

Undo what Wilson did

Jeremecium

is correct

Ok, using your analogy

that would mean that the one who had his ball stolen accepts his loss as "a victory" because the bully is now using his ball. That's stupid.

All I'm saying is that the idea that the establishment using libertarian anti-state rhetoric is nothing new or victorious. It is common white-wash used by political shills to try and portray themselves as something they are not. And to view that as some kind of victory is, at best, passive acceptance.

I digress.

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From my perspective, being a fan of Paul for some 20 years,

it is a victory to have core issues discussed mainstream. It's a given the sophists will attempt to co-opt those issues. It is our failure to allow such.

Undo what Wilson did

It's a victory, and then it's not

It's a victory in the sense that they're forced to use RP's words or become irrelevant. It demonstrates the power of the ideas.

But it's a loss in that, by using his words, they render the words, and to some degree RP, irrelevant. Which is their goal.

It could become a complete victory if RP went on the offensive and made it clear who said these things first, and who means what they say.

Bingo...don't let them get

Bingo...don't let them get away with crap. That should be passed onto the campaign.

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"...maybe that’s a type of a victory..."

That's a huge victory Dr. Paul, and I tip my hat to you for the decades you devoted in achieving it. Be victorious in their talking about principles you have so diligently professed.

Undo what Wilson did

No Victory until Nov 2012

We have to recognize that the Two Party System uses Machiavellian type methods to keep Power. Mimicking in order to fool those withdrawing their support or showing support for an unwanted player (i.e. Paul) is a standard but highly effective tool.

The others have recognized that Federal Reserve is a good buzz word and are simply going to use. They are experienced LIARS after all. What is adding one more lie to a long list.

Paul needs more than votes, he needs Classic Liberals or Traditional Conservatives (same thing) running for EVERY Office (Local, State, Federal) that is up for election in 2012.

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It's up to us to make sure the liars don't get away with it.

We have to keep the focus on the issue, not the buzz words. You are correct; we do so at the local level.

Undo what Wilson did

This is also an opportunity

This is also an opportunity to call them on THEIR use of the buzz words.

What progress have we made if they talk a good game and do nothing to back it up? Cause America sees them changing? They ARE running for office.

Give me a break on that victory stuff.

I do however agree with keeping focus but on everything including but not limited to watching the others like a hawk and calling them out when they try and snuggle up to HIS campaign platform.

One more thing.. I agree with Secular. NO VICTORY TILL 2012 and I'll add.. Ron's in the Whitehouse

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Ok, but he should have forced the issue during the debate.

Many ways to do so. Newt did it by challenging the hosts. Paul could have commanded the agenda in like fashion, or by challenging his opponents directly on foriegn policy. IMHO, he wasted time challenging Perry as he did. That time would have been better spent asking his opponents how they intend to continue paying for "World Police" status.

Undo what Wilson did

Sick of the acceptance of them using Ron's language

The idea that this is good is not logical.

This is like saying hope and change won out, or had a greater chance of winning out, because Obama co-opted the antiwar, anti-corruption sentiments of the sincere but misguided leftists.

The Paul campaign is allowing the others to dilute the potency of Ron's message, by having a bunch of frauds say the exact same thing. If you're some half awake dipshiit Fox News watching Republican, how the hell are you going to know that poor old marginalized Ron Paul generated, through hard work and study, every political position you're now hearing from every candidate?

The ad would be easy. Ron Paul, with the year prominently advertised on the screen, stating one of his positions five, ten, twenty years ago, and then Newt, or Bachmann, or especially Perry with his goddamned Keynes reference, saying the same thing now.

Sure, someone could make a youtube, and they probably already have, but there would be a whole lot more impact if the official campaign came out with it.