Federal Reserve = Private Cartel? How?

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How does one prove that the Federal Reserve is not a gov't entity and that it is private?? Is there a page which shows Supreme Court rulings like the denifition of "income" vs "labor and wages"? This information would be useful to many of us. Thanks!

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Not the Supreme Court, but

Not the Supreme Court, but the Circuit Court have ruled it is private. See Lewis v. United States, 680 F.2d 1239 (1982).

The court held that:

"The United States District Court for the Central District of California, David W. Williams, J., dismissed holding that federal reserve bank was not a federal agency within meaning of Act and that the court therefore lacked subject-matter jurisdiction. Appeal was taken. The Court of Appeals, Poole, Circuit Judge, held that federal reserve banks are not federal instrumentalities for purposes of the Act, but are independent, privately owned and locally controlled corporations."

Full story: http://www.save-a-patriot.org/files/view/frcourt.html

Do your homework, they even

Do your homework, they even say it themselves that they are not a governmental entity! Most people just don't realize it, though, until it's actually pointed out to them, HUNDREDS of times!!! It's so simple and deceptive, just the way they like it.

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Federal Reserve Van knock down this guy

Ermm, the best layman example, this guy was knock down by a Federal Reserve van, he sued the US government. This happen in the 1980s I believe, not too sure the exact date Well, well, the US government says, "We do not own the Federal Reserve, sue those bastards yourselves"

Well the bastards part I add myself being the creative genius, but this is a true story.

This revolution is worldwide. If America fails, God help us all

Do we need to shed the love in the revolution? We have been screwed big time in New Hampshire.

The Creature of Jekyl Island, by G. Edward Griffin.

Great book, read it online. Not very long.

What's it's really about!

It's about a small group of people wanting this planet for themselves!

Here's a great video set.

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC720Cl3N-0

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUChuUo0ZhY

Mathew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

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The Federal Reserve Bunk

The Federal Reserve Bunk

By Harry V. Martin

Copyright FreeAmerica and Harry V. Martin, 1995

Article I, Section 8, Clause 5, of the United States Constitution provides that Congress shall have the power to coin money and regulate the value thereof and of any foreign coins. But that is not the case. The United States government has no power to issue money, control the flow of money, or to even distribute it - that belongs to a private corporation registered in the State of Delaware - the Federal Reserve Bank.

The Federal Reserve System was established by President Woodrow Wilson in 1913. The premise used by President Wilson and his financial advisors for the establishment of the Federal Reserve System was to "supplant the dictatorship of the private banking institutions" and "to stabilize the inflexibility of national bank note supplies". The previous system of banking was "feudal" in nature, in which private bankers control communities and could issue their own bank notes. They had little regulations concerning reserve assets and loan policies. Banking was a patch-quilt of institutions scattered across the face of the nation with no central policy.

With the advent of the Federal Reserve a new currency was issued - Federal Reserve notes, which at the time were based on the gold standard. The Federal Reserve was to unite and supevise the entire banking system, control the expansion or contraction of currency, and regulate the flow of money to the commercial banks through the establishment of 12 Federal Reserve Banks. The Federal Reserve is controlled by private banking interest and by Presidential appointment - but it is still a private organization and not a government entity. In 1913, President Wilson's creation of the Federal Reserve System established a three-tier monetary system in the United States - the holders of money (public, government, business and institutions; the commercial banks that borrow from the public and issue loans; and the central bank or Federal Reserve that has a monopoly on the issuing of money. The Federal Reserve is technically owned by the commercial banks.

FEDERAL RESERVE CONTROLS THE MONEY, NOT THE GOVERNMENT

The monetary policy of the United States is the domain of the Federal Resene Bank and not the government. This process is in direct contradiction of the U.S. Constitution that reposes the responsibility of the monetary system with the Congress of the United States. On April 27, 1936, hearings were held by the House Committee on Banking and Currency. The preamble of the bill - HR 9216 of the Seventy-fourth Congress, states, "The committee had under consideration the bill (HR 92163 to restore to Congress its constitutional power to issue money and regulate the value thereof; to provide monetary income to the people of the United States at a fixed and equitable purchasing power of the dollar, ample at all times to enable the people to buy wanted goods and services at full capacity of the industries and commercial facilities of the United States; to abolish the practice of creating bank deposits by private groups upon fractional reserves, and for other purposes."

The Congress declared, "Whereas the permanent welfare of the people and the protection of the economic life of the Nation are dependent on the establishment of a monetary system wholly subject to the control of Congress that will promote the interests of agriculture and labor, of industry, trade, commerce, and finance for the economic well being of all citizens by the maintenance of an adequate supply of money with a unit of fixed average purchasing power, which will avoid excessive expansion or disastrous contraction." That preamble led to the body of the text. "Section 1. That it is hereby declared to be the policy of Congress to provide such issuances of certificates of national credit as shall be requisite so to increase the purchasing power of the consumers of the United States as to make it conform to the capacity of the industries and people of the United States for the production and delivery of wanted goods and services, which capacity be declared to be the measure of national credit." The Congress attempted to issue non-interest bearing Treasury Notes. A Federal Credit Commission linked to the Secretary of the Treasluy was the goal of Congress.

The Commission was to consist of seven commissioners appointed by the President with approval of the U.S. Senate. U.S. citizenship was a prime requirement and they could not have more than four from one political party. It was also made unlawful for anyone to interfere with the commission. The concern of Congress was that banks were issuing loans without the backing of real deposits and that it was controlling money based on the price it attracted on international money markets or by the amount of interest they could charge. The Congress wanted to withdraw from the banks the right to issue credit on fractional reserves, and leave the banks the right to issue credit on account of actual deposits, which means that permanent money will be loaned not bank manufactured money.

"By this bill, Congress resumes its constitutional duty of issuing money and regulating its value, a duty and a right which it has long been abdicated to the private banking system," read the preamble of the bill. The bill would have eliminated the private manufacture of money - a direct contravention of the mandate of the Constitution, which places the right to coin money in the hands of Congress.

PAYING OFF THE NATIONAL DEBT

The bill would have allowed the nation to pay off its national debt and stay out of debt. In one year's time, with this bill, the national debt could have been paid, and without any tax increases, plus it would have allowed for full employment. "Because of the unsound practice of relying on the private manufacturing of monetary credits by private groups, you are preparing to lay heavier taxes on the shrunken income of the people, without hope of balancing the Budget perhaps for years to come," was the testimony of Allen B. Brown, chairman of the New Economic Group. Remember, this testimony is in 1936. "In order to meet the Budget deficits, this administration and the preceding one committed themselves to a program of borrowing, so that now the national debt has doubled with every prospect of further increase. More than half of this great sum of added debt represents merely book figure which the banks have lent the Government. To pay for their service of writing figures on their books and canceling the Government checks in their clearing system, the Government has engaged to tax the American people. They must pay back the billions of book figures with sweat and labor, with goods and services to which they are now denied access of purchasing power for their families, and they must pay enormous debt charges." Brown said that the bill before Congress would "put a stop to this process of privately manufacturing monetary credit for the use of business out of added government debt."

"The banks manufacture, without borrowing it, the monetary credit which they loan to the Government. For every dollar they themselves contribute to the loaning process, they manufacture 10 credit dollars, and call them their own, although they base the credit dollars on human sweat and labor and productive genus that is not their own." The comments by Brown was a direct slap at the Federal Reserve System - that was only 23 years old, at the time. "The crying fault of our prevailing money system is its impermanence. It fluctuates wildly in volume, because it is debt-money, loans, and subject alternately to the fears and the sanguine expectations and speculative propensities of its private owners who have become the debt-masters of all business." He added, "We need to be delivered of the curse of a money system that is not owned, as a cash-credit system, by the American people. We want no longer a system that can at any time be cancelled out of existence with the dumping of pledged securities and, simultaneously, with the depression and deflation of all the physical and intangible assets of the American people."

The bill would have ended immediately the private monetary credit inflation. The Federal Reserve can create money out of nothing, simply printing it, lending it and printing more. You could have guessed that this bill never became law in 1936 - the banking interest was too powerful.

KENNEDY TRIED TO CHANGE IT

In 1963, President John Kennedy wanted an end to the Federal Reserve System, which had a strangle-hold on the United States and virtually the world. By a simple stroke of the pen, President Kennedy dismissed the Federal Resene System and ordered the U.S. governmcnt to restore its Constitutional-mandate of controlling the money. President Kennedy was dead three weeks later. When President Lyndon Johnson took office, he immediately rescinded Kennedy's order and the Federal Resene won another round.

Representative Charles A. Lindberg, Sr., the father of the famous aviator, was a member of thc Banking and Currency Committee. He opposed the Federal Reserve Act and gave a speech on January 20, 1915. "The system is private, conducted for the sole purpose of obtaining the greatest possible profits from the use of other people's money, and in the interest of the stockholders and those allied with them." Representative Louis T. McFadden, chairman of the Housing Banking and Currency Committee, stated on June 10,1932, "Some people think the Federal Reserve Banks are United States Government institutions. They are not Government institutions. They are privatc credit monopolies that prey upon the people of the United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign and domestic swindlers; and rich and predatory money lenders."

FOREIGN BANKERS OWN MAJORITY OF FEDERAL RESERVE

More that half the shareholdings in the Federal Reserve Bank arc controlled by large New York City banks, including National City Bank, National Bank of Commerce, First National Bank, Chase National Bank, and Marine National Bank. When Rockefeller's National City Bank merged with J.P. Morgan's First National Bank in 1955, the Rockefeller group owned 22 percent of the shares of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, which in turn holds the majority of shares in the Federal Reserve System - 53 percent. But who really owns what? Here arc the top controllers of the Federal Rwerve Bank

1. Rothchild banks of London and Berlin.

2. Lazard Brothers Banks of Paris.

3. Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy.

4. Warburg Bank of Hamburg and Amsterdam.

5. Lehman Brothers Bank of New York.

6. Kuhn, Loeb bank of New York.

7. Chase Manhattan Bank of New York, which controls all of the other 11 Federal Rwerve Banks.

8. Goldman, Sachs Bank of New York.

This ownership combination has been challenged by the Federal Reserve Bank, but a study of Standards and Poors will verify the ownerships. This means that the controlling interest of our national monetary system is foreign. In 1797, John Adams wrote to Thomas Jefferson, "All the perplexities, confusion and distress in America arise, not from defects of the Constitution or Confederation; not from any want of honor or virtue, as much as downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit and circulation." In simple terms, the United States Government borrows money from the Federal Reserve Bank with interest. Here is how it works: The Government wants $1 billion. The Federal Reserve prints $1 billion - based upon no hard asset - and lends it to the Government at a high interest rate. The bank did not have the original money, it created it and made a bookkeeping entry - like you writing yourself a check without funds and cashing it. The Federal Reserve controls the flow of money, making it tight and creating unemployment or printing more than actually exists and creates inflation. It is, in wessence, a paper corporation, which controls the entire economic well-being of the nation.

CONCLUSION

No Congress, no President has been strong enough to stand up to the foreign-controlled Federal Reserve Bank. Yet there is a catch - one that President Kennedy recognized before he was slain - the original deal in 1913 creating the Federal Reserve Bank had a simple backout clause. The investors loaned the United States Government $1 billion. And the backout clause allows the United States to buy out the system for that $1 billion. If the Federal Reserve Bank were demolished and the Congress of the United States took control of the currency, as required in the Constitution, the National Debt would virtually end overnight, and the need for more taxes and even the income tax, itself. Thomas Jefferson was concise in his early warning to the American nation, "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."

"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."

What is the purpose of deficit spending?

“The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. This is the shabby secret of the welfare statists' tirades against gold. Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the confiscation of wealth. Gold stands in the way of this insidious process. It stands as a protector of property rights. If one grasps this, one has no difficulty in understanding the statists' antagonism toward the gold standard.”

Gold and Economic Freedom by Alan Greenspan (1966)
Text http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north204.html
Audio
Part I http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoNW7u3TBi8
Part II http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F2jDJS60YU

Read one of these.

G. Edward Griffin's The Creature from Jekyll Island

http://www.amazon.com/Creature-Jekyll-Island-Federal-Reserve...

Murray N. Rothbard's A History of Money and Banking in the United States

http://www.mises.org/store/History-of-Money-and-Banking-in-t...

Thanks

You beat me to It! Creature from Jekyll Island was one of the most scary, fascinating books I have ever read. We got our copy from a church that was cleaning our it's book shelves.

But that man should play the tyrant over God, and find Him a better man than himself, is astonishing drama indeed!~~D. Sayers

There is no difference between an authoritarian government from the right or the left...F. A.Schaeffer

It really is a scary, yet,

It really is a scary, yet, compelling book. I couldn't put it down as much as I, at times, couldn't stand what I was reading. It is a book that everyone should read and after Dr. Paul gets in office it should be a part of public education curriculum.

FEDERAL RESERVE

Read about the history of the owners here;
http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/Rothschild-timeline.htm
http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/History-of-Bankers.htm

Don't forget to watch the video that Ron Paul spoke about on Meet the Press;
America: Freedom to Fascism
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173

THE SECRETS OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE

Comment: Eustice is in his 80s now and this book was published in 1952.
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by Eustice Mullins

Secrets of the Federal Reserve (1952), Mullins highlighted a purported conspiracy among Paul Warburg, Edward Mandell House, Woodrow Wilson, J.P. Morgan,Charles Norris, Benjamin Strong, Otto Kahn, the Rockefeller family, the Rothschild family, and other European and American bankers which resulted in the founding of a privately owned, US central bank.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eustace_Mullins

Of course its private

Owners

Rothschild Bank of London
Rothschild Bank of Berlin
Chase Morgan
Lazard Brothers of Paris
Warburg Bank of Amsterdam
Warburg Bank of Hamburg
Israel Moses Seif Bank
Lehman Brothers
Kuhn & Loeb
Goldman Sachs

what? of course private.

are you shitting me with this question. there is enough info out there this shouldnt even be a question. look up the share holders of the fed. why the fuck does our government give these banker bastard the right to sell us money when we can print it ourself without interest.

That all American word Fxxk, it's great prose.

But it's the right word for sure. We the people have been scammed!
What to do about it?

what? of course private.

are you shitting me with this question. there is enough info out there this shouldnt even be a question. look up the share holders of the fed. why the fuck does our government give these banker bastard the right to sell us money when we can print it ourself without interest.

Simple little test.

Try to find a phone listing in the blue govt. pages of the phone book for "Federal Reserve". Then try the white pages for private businesses.

Some of the cities they are in are: NYC, Atlanta, GA, San Francisco, CA, etc...

Philadelphia Fed

We Ron Pauled that one on Nov 10 when we had the rally here.

simple proof fed is private link to incorporation

https://sos-res.state.de.us/tin/GINameSearch.jsp

the federal reserve is a private corporation

Go to the above link, it's the state of delaware corporations page.

type in federal reserve

It will be the only corporation entry that comes up. Originally incorporated in 1914

Educate everyone!

This is a great educational video that explains where money comes from and the process of money as debt. I have shared this with many people who have asked, "what do you mean by we print money out of thin air?"

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9050474362583451279...

Mathew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

Thanks I found this video again.

I;ve been scrolling through since last week. I will send this to all my friends in NY, Seattle, CA, Florida,Hawaii and Nevada. Canada included.

gcarroll-grand rapids, mi

RPmypresident

pretty good video...

... great in layman's terms and everything. I hate that its on a socialist site though...

Oh my!

I hadn't noticed. Here's another in parts 1 and 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC720Cl3N-0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUChuUo0ZhY

Mathew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

On the issue of income taxes

On the issue of income taxes and IRS: Tommy Cryer successfully defended himself against tax charges. Read his memorandum:
http://www.truthattack.org/cryer_MEMORANDUM.pdf

oooh, this one is easy!

Try to look up the Federal Reserve in the 'Blue (Government) Pages' of any phone book. You won't find them there. You'll find them in the 'Business (White) Pages', somewhere in the vicinity of Federal Express...which is also not a part of our federal government....same goes for Federal Signal and the rest...not part of the government. Next!

The meaning behind my screen name
The battle of Gonzales, TX. (Oct. 1835)

Sort of unfair to call it a private cartel

If you look at the board of directors for the Fed, they are all basically prominent American bankers with no/little connection to politics or public service. However, it's supposed to be that way and if the Fed were more answerable to the public, our economy would be worse. The reason is that the Fed takes a generally conservative approach to monetary policy which is thinking in the long-term. Well, long-term goals and short-term goals often are not the same. Politicians generally think in the short-term for economics because they want to be re-elected.

The Fed being a more separate federal entity allows them to make decisions without political pressure which in my opinion makes it a stronger body. I think that getting rid of the Fed is definitely a very long-term goal, not something we can do quickly. First of all we'd need to have balanced budgets and have the national debt reduced to virtually nothing to really be able to start justifying getting rid of the Fed. I don't really support the idea of a Fed, but it is necessary if the economy is to function well, until we slowly reduce our dependence on a central bank.

The Fed generally tries to be responsive to market forces, but economies are complex and sometimes they can make mistakes with unintended consequences, although pinning an economic downturn on the Fed is irresponsible because the economy is so complicated and the Fed is just a part. The Fed anticipates downturns in the economy and then tries to create a policy to make those downturns as limited as possible.

The major critique by Ron Paul of the Fed is that its policies to improve the long-term economy go with that "trickle-down" theory in that when they increase money supply by reducing interest rates, it's the wealthy on Wall Street that get those funds and by the time those funds get to average people, a new monetary policy is in order. So the benefits for the average person are just too far off to have the beneficial effect from Fed policy. If the banking of this country were completely governed by market forces, then the income inequality gap would not be so great (Although there are many factors that go into income inequality).

In my opinion though, if you are going to have the Fed run by anyone, it's the people running it now, so the "private cartel of bankers" is sort of a buzz phrase against the Fed. In reality, those are some of America's best economic minds, although they obviously have a bias towards improving the economic conditions for banks, and not the average citizen, which could have unforeseen consequences and it not a proper function of government in my opinion. Just remember, for every potential the Fed has to do good, it has just as much potential (Probably greater) to do bad, but because monetary policy is long-term, there are other forces at play that can (hopefully) correct an error made by the Fed.

I implore you to watch The Money Masters.

Everyone else's comments pretty much sum it up. I highly recommend all people to watch The Money Masters. It is the most informative 3.5 hours of banking/money history that I have ever seen! It is on google, but I highly recommend purchasing the DVD so you can show it to those without high-speed internet. I also wonder how Ron Paul feels about the solution to the FED that is provided at the end of the video. I am going to try ripping that clip and putting it up on YouTube for RP supporters to watch.
Unless the Federal Reserve kept all our gold it stole from us, so we can reclaim it, we won't be able to have a true gold standard again.