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How to silence all Ron Paul's opponents on stage concerning foreign policy

Ron Paul is missing an opportunity to completely defeat everyone on stage in regards to foreign policy. He just needs to simply say this or something similar:

"If my position on foreign policy is so wrong then why do I receive more money contributions from the military than everyone else on this stage and Obama put together? Doesn't that make YOU sound like you're against the military?"

OR

"I'm giving you all on stage a homework assignment. Your assignment is to find out who on this stage has more military contributions given to him/her than all others on stage and Obama put together. I expect you to have the results at the next debate if you don't know tonight".

The campaign needs to pull out an ace card and completely blow away the war-hawks on stage the next debate(It doesn't even need to be my 2 suggestions). This would win over many anti-war liberals. These ideas need to get to Ron Paul's campaign asap!



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Yeah

This exact thing crossed my mind today... why didn't he do it?!? arghh Oh well, overall I think he did well, but he definitely needs to pull these aces, I agree.

adam t

ITS UP TO US TO GET THIS MESSAGE OUT

Rp2012

Great idea!

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HULK IS STRONGEST!!!!

ALL RON has to say about the current foreign policy is

HOW has it been working for ya?
Just stick to the message of reason.
The WARS are about the World economy, not about TERRORISM.
THE WARS are the WORLD leaders concensus, not just the American leaders. Do you hear any big Countries calling for quiting the WARS? NO. WHY? Think about it. They even loan us money to keep going to WAR.

You cannot win by being negative about current policy.
You need to convert by explanation and reason.
Negativity builds enemies who will not listen. We need people to listen. The truth will come out.
All America is in the same boat, Left or Right.
It is the World leaders who try to keep us seperated.
How else can they have their way with our money and BLESSINGS?

They need to REPENT and they too can have the Blessings.
They would rather STEAL them.
The BLESSINGS are not ours' to be stolen, they come down from Heaven. The PROMISES are Jehovah's to keep and care for.
Beware when you steal from Jehovah.

Ron's people should realize

Ron's people should realize the hostile and devious environment he'll find himself in and deal with it accordingly. Prepare for future questions or skillfully dodge them.
Ron should attack the question and maybe bring to light the agenda of the questioner and the people who employ them. Sad to see that the only way good people can have a fair chance is to stoop to their level of disinformation and propaganda.
It's time to put on a new pair of kick-ass boots and show them how it's done. Let's have a "no holds barred" match and let Paulamania run wild, Brother!
We gotta get people to listen. Ron will take it from there
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reedr3v's picture

Nice conversation-starter

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Also,

he could ask all those who never bothered to serve in the military to do the right thing, and leave the stage... suggest maybe they could return after they have done a tour of duty.

Then there would only be a smart baseball player and a stupid cheerleader left on stage...

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FourWindsTradingPost

I love this suggestion.

so Bump

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

and bump again

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Add these reading their reading list.

Dying to Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism http://www.amazon.com/Dying-Win-Strategic-Suicide-Terrorism/... by Robert Pape observes that suicide bombings occur in occupied territories.

The Lessons of Terror: A History of Warfare Against Civilians: Why It Has Always Failed and Why It Will Fail Again by Caleb Carr.
http://www.amazon.com/Lessons-Terror-History-Warfare-Civilia... Carr, a Military Historian observes how targeting or being callous about civilian deaths during war has shown to be a losing policy since the start of the common era.

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no, then he's just playing their game . . .

their way; let him be Ron Paul.

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I disagree

for THIS TOPIC, he needs to use their own heroes agaisnt them in this argument.
The books/opinions he references MUST be from experienced Seal, CIA, FBI, Spec Ops, and the like. THEY LIVE THIS CRAP!! even more than Ron.
Santorum can convince the useful idiots in the US if he keeps this a "Ron Paul issue".
If Ron makes this a Santorum agsint the military and intelligence community Ron wins hands down!! AND if he wins this discusison once or twice, believe me it wont come up again.

Jackson County Georgia

War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses.
Thomas Jefferson

What should really be said:

If the question is do you think the US caused 9/11, Ron should say:

"I am saying that our military conquests, like the CIA have written, have unintended consequences and blow back. I would like to know if the candidates on this stage value Afghanistan lives over that over our own soldiers. Because more than double the amount of our soldiers have died providing security for foreign citizens in foreign lands since 9/11 than the number of people that actually died in the September 11th attacks. So we have essentially created 2 more tragedies the size of 9/11 providing security for non-American citizens and I don't think its right. I am the only republican candidate that served in the military and I receive more military contributions than all other candidates combined...and I do not take the death of those 4000+ soldiers lightly."

Don't wait to respond

Let's not wait for the campaign to get the message out.
There are tons of articles today all over the web. Let's flood the comments to educate the people. Whenever there are missed points in the debates, responding to the articles that appear are a great opportunity to get the message out.

ytc's picture

Here's how. . . from the horse's mouth :-)

Written and ready by Ron Paul himself:

http://www.dailypaul.com/178414/let-ron-paul-speak

Thank you ytc

you should get a few bumps for this. (+10 at least), the only difficulty is that they do not permit him to give this lengthy a response. (It might work for an ad aired during the next debate time though ;)

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Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

jaseed's picture

Civilians Maimed

We should show pics of innocent civilians maimed by foreign intervention executive order "wars".

“The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time: the hand of force may destroy, but cannot disjoin them.”

– Thomas Jefferson

Reminding us about our

Reminding us about our economic situation is a good motivator for people to listen more to Dr. Paul on foreign policy. Knowing we can't afford the wars and foreign subsidies is a good way to get people on his side. The 9/11 questions to Dr. Paul are an attempt to get people to not vote for him but his answers are still sound. Now that he has described some of these countries over there as ones who can't even make gas out of their own oil, it makes sense why they'd send people over here to use planes. To them, it's a retailiation to an attack on their land. Without an air force, navy, or formidable army, using people to attack our interests is like a retaliation of war. That was the only way they probably had. I'm not saying it was right but when a country oversteps it's boundaries by meddling in their internal affairs and killing their people, you can't expect them to be happy about it. Also bringing up the CIA reports about blowback was always a good thing too.

Time & Place

The conversation in that debate, if you remember, surrounded the reasons behind 9/11. Taking about military donations at that particular time would have been grossly inappropriate in my opinion. There were some boos from members of the Tea Party, some say that it was Romney's crowd, but that remains to be seen.

The thing to remind ourselves about debating is that people will disagree with Ron. Even people who know very little themselves about the subject he speaks of. You'll be boo'ed about your view of foreign policy by people who have never read a single book about the subject. He won't win everyone over. A certain amount of that is to be expected. Some like to look at moments like this as an opportunity for Ron to teach and educate. Ron does this very well.

For many many years the people have been fed a healthy dose of the purity of American motives around the world, and where obstruction occurs they've been fed the notion that force can solve all problems. All the while being spoon fed the idea that militarism can destroy terrorism or dramatically deter it.

The boo birds have their right to express themselves just as Ron Paul has a right to express the sensibilities of a humble foreign policy. Have confidence in the message. There has never been a terrorist attack on Canadian or Australian soil that I know of - a freedom and security those countries enjoy due in large part to a reduced non-interventionist foreign policy.

But the idea of non-interventionalism is new, not new to America, but new in the sense that this message clashes with a psychologically insecure, politically definable, action oriented militancy. Peace is the new vibe and not everyone is on board just yet.

Ideas that once heard, take root and begin to change things. It changes slowly so have patience and understanding with the process. We could not serve up a kinder or gentler messenger for such an idea!

Just being 2 days removed from the 10 anniversary of 9/11 the topic was of course emotional & a notably re-lived with all of the tv imagery over the weekend.

People want to put an evil face to this. They want to believe that the US was cold-cocked. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOYIxisAez0 They have every right to believe that they were. But what many do not understand is that the *government* was the target of the attack of 9/11 not the people. "Symbolic elements of their government and their money"...or something to that effect, I need to pull out Chalmers Johnson's "Blowback" to retrieve the exact quote from Osama. The American people were collateral damage in the terrorist eyes.

Understand that this is a process. Ron knows that it is. We need to defeat terrorism, no doubt. Like many of you on this board I supported Ron voting for action in Afghanistan. And there is a time & place for everything.

But it's time to come home.

Everyone.

"It does not take a majority to prevail but rather an irate, tireless minority keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men."

--Samuel Adams

Or how about some "TEX-as" logic?

If you are attacked by a mountian lion, you were not attacked because you are free... chances are you are in the lion's habitat and you might just be standing on the lion's tail.

there is a nugget to add to your bushel basket full of common sense.

....where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is LIBERTY. 2 Corinthians 3:17(b)

***wants are unlimited, means are scarce...***

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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand bump.

Show your support for the US Military ......

by supporting Ron Paul's Presidential Campaign!!

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the former...

...seems to have more 'punch' than the latter.

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THE MORE I LOVE MY GUNS
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RPfan

you're absolutely correct and I'd throw the following in also. Dont know all the facts, but his campaign needs to keep a few sleepless nights gathering the facts for this.
(One of which is some neocon who recently mentioned in a video I watched how the Shah of Iran was horrible just like the Ayatollah).

Start with your intro then say this.

Ive' kept quiet on this too long I fear, but honestly, the hypocrisy of my fellow candidates here sickens me. Its always sooo easy for them to volunteer YOUR kids and families to go die somewhere when THEY and their immediate families arent in and havent been even NEAR military service.

Especially the lust for war I hear from you Rick Santorum. Remember that line "you cant handle the truth"? Well that applies here for you.
YOU may not grasp what happens on this globe when a country continues to embrace the current forgeign policy , but guess what, a few experts DO!!
Scheuer, ????, ????, ??? and ??? DO agree with my position on this. The freakin CIA has a whole term they've given it. It's called blowback. They've written books on this my son!!

Regardless of your lack of insight and warmongering mindset from a supposed "Christian", the American people are also starting to be curious about this failed foreign policy and THEY get it and frankly dont support all these wars anymore.

Not only that, but the nail in the coffin is "WE DONT HAVE ANY MONEY"!! What language do you need me to speak that phrase in? Smoke signals?
Which brings me to another key point in this discussion. Answer this question Rick. How many DICTATORSHIPS and communist regimes who violate human rights 24 * 7, should we borrow money from so we can continue to fight these wars? Would you take North Korea's money Rick, because frankly, that might be what happens since China may be about done lending to us.
Maybe the US needs more than one doctor right now. Maybe they need Dr. Drew to help us get off of this WAR addiction!

Jackson County Georgia

War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses.
Thomas Jefferson

Very

good! I basically commented the same thing about Santorum on youtube last night--that he's more than willing to sacrifice other people's family members.
The only thing I disagree with, and it's minor, is that Ron should NOT use the word 'freakin'--it's just not Dr. Paul--but yes, he should discuss the CIA and blowback theory, imo...

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ok

I'll give you that one. freakin might be a little much. :)

Jackson County Georgia

War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses.
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