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Richard Clarke points the finger at CIA's George Tenet for 9/11

For those who don't know it, there are two 9/11 conspiracy camps. The "hard" conspiracy camp or 'loud' camp that started right away, and the "soft" conspiracy camp that was expressed by Justin Raimondo and others who did not buy into some of the easily disprovable claims from those in the "hard" conspiracy camp. Those that started that camp were often moon landing deniers and holocaust deniers and where ready to go with books, tapes and glossy magazines soon after 9/11.

The soft conspiracy camp has been so drowned out that its hard to get a hearing and given half a chance. http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2009/04/21/harmanic-conve...

Now, Richard Clarke adds fuel to the "soft" conspiracy side. For those in that camp, this is how the CIA is known to act, ie, learn the 'others' feelings & plans and if it suits your purposes, "look away the other way" and even innocently "block assist" with 'plausible dependability'. Who really owns the Florida airports that the terrorists trained on? What flight codes-programs would allow a plane to zero in on their targets?

With George Tenet, Cofer Black, Richard Blee and the neocon rest all openly pining for a "big event" that would get PNAC enacted, its a 'soft conspiracy' to say they orchestrated the 9/11 event.

What it looks like is this, two Al Qiada enter California, where greeted by Saudi Intelligence (how did they know) who helped with the language, getting an apartment in San Diego. The Saudi leaves and Clarke says that is where the "trail goes cold". Or does it? It appears these terrorists where handled and watched by Israeli intelligence and then only in the very last weeks before 9/11, handed over to the CIA. Meanwhile while the Israelis are watching, the FBI is sending up reports, but they rise to a certain point and die. After 9/11, the "dancing Israelis" were caught and as Carl Cameron reported a lot of Israeli 'art students' rrr spies return home. http://www.amazon.com/Terror-Enigma-11-Israeli-Connection/dp...

Video of Richard Clarke here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl6w1YaZdf8&feature=player_em...

Here is another good Salon article laying the CIA's selective black-out of crucial terrorist info on 2 terrorists inside the USA. More Cloak and Dagger BS
http://www.salon.com/writer/rory_oconnor_and_ray_nowosielski/



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More Cloak and Dagger BS

Here is another good Salon article laying the CIA's selective black-out of crucial terrorist info on 2 terrorists inside the USA.
http://www.salon.com/writer/rory_oconnor_and_ray_nowosielski/

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Hard or Soft

it don't matter. People waking up, priceless.

"We can see with our eyes, hear with our ears and feel with our touch, but we understand with our hearts."

WOW! This' some deep stuff in this Vid!

How do we believe professional liars though? That's my only problem.

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Waking up is a process

We all have to take it one step at the time.

Ron Paul is great for the first step. He is somewhat in the mainstream and in the news and people may get to hear about him.

That then opens ones eyes for the obvious bias in the propaganda media.

The "soft" conspiracy theory of 911, or global warming or hundreds of other subjects are then great for the next step to understand how different the world is from the world we have been indoctrinated to "see" and "understand".

Then you start to realize that everything you have been told is a lie designed to keep you in the dark, keep you ill and keep you enslaved and you begin to see the bigger picture. The fact that a small elite controls everything on this planet and has done so for thousands of years, that all "known" history is false - simple lies installed deliberately in the minds and beliefs of the people, that everything is propaganda and indoctrination.

Then the next step (if not before) becomes a spiritual awakening, where it all makes sense in the great scheme of things, where we all must go through the personal journey of separating ourselves from the control system both externally and in ones own brain.

And then the next step and the next in a never ending evolution towards enlightenment, God or whatever label one prefers to describe the indescribable.

I'd just like to point out

I'd just like to point out that 1 conspiracy or coverup doesn't mean everything is a conspiracy or a coverup.

It is a false statement that a small group has controlled the world for 1,000s of years. There is no proof of this and world history has been rather chaotic to be wholly controlled.

All known history is not false but certainly all of it is slanted.

You are jumping to conclusions and by doing so you diminish the veracity and credibility of actual issues that need to be addressed. Thankfully there are skeptical investigators like the producers of this documentary getting actual info out to the public.

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As I said

We all have to take it one step at the time.

The deeper you go the deeper the rabbit hole. Enjoy the journey.

Yeah poker...what he said...

Perhaps, on an elementary level you'd like to examine the Divine Right of Kings and see juuuuust how far that goes back and just what it was "called" before that label was printed? Understanding that ALL capital lay in the hands of a small cabal...for a very long time...what leads you to believe that that capital was somehow "taken" from them? What leads you to believe that somehow "control" has ever been lost? What leads you to believe that the "rebuilding" of Europe after two world wars wasn't the reestablishment of serfdom via the establishment of a curtain of debt over property that had been "owned" by others for ...a little while...

What leads you to believe that everything is in Chaos rather than "Divine" order...or someone's? What leads you to believe that this power structure didn't INVENT Corporations as a means of protection? How could they fail to see the wisdom of using the faces East India Companies for arms length machinations? Think the "French Revolution" and you can see correlation with the prevalence of corporate charters rising in replacement of Proprietorship and Partnership Operations. Prior to Delaware opening the flood gates...corporate charters weren't exactly easy to come by and they were issued here, to enable work to be done FOR the government and for a specific period of time.

Just some thing to think about...I'd suggest you watch this interview to understand the machinations in the more recent past. You'll not fail to see and feel the implications of what Dodd has to tell you...scoff not friend.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUYCBfmIcHM

Wha? .....hey....who stole my country?

Truck Bombs people

The police found Israelis driving in truck bombs people. See Ryan Dawson's documentary, War By Deception and you will see for yourself. There is actual news footage to back this up. I don't know if the truck bombs were sufficient to bring down the towers, but shouldn't this have received more attention?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gC4T6v6Rc8 Two men were arrested at the George Washington Bridge on 9/11. These were Israelis.

43,000

views and like 20 comments,hmmm? The fact that 9/11 happenned on 9/11 tells me it was a date they wanted everyone involved to remember the first time they told them that date, 9/11 is an easy day to remember all hell will break loose. It all stinks terribly, thank you for the post. Keep up the great work!!!

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

Who shorted the airline stocks

Right before 911 . Seems like that would be easy to trace. But there was never an investigation and why will probably never know.

That emanated from Alex Brown & Sons...in Baltimore

And the Ceo at the time was Alvin Kronguard, now director of ....drum roll...The CIA! Alex Brown and Sons, a well known stalwart of Wall Street was liquidated and disappeared off the map soon thereafter.

Wha? .....hey....who stole my country?

Not gonna lie

The title heading really threw me off

what title would you recommend?

I'll change it...

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A title

where you spelled George Tenet's name correctly would be good for starters.
It's kind of tough coming across as knowing something about the "conspiracy camps," when you don't even spell the main characters' names right.
Also the correct spelling is "Al-Qaeda." To others in the know it's spelled "Al-CIAduh"

I hate to be the spelling police on this, but you're way out of your league on this subject.

What's the point of this thread Treg? What do you hope to accomplish or learn? Anything?

Give it a rest.

I never saw the video Jefferson

and if you spell freedom, freeeedom, it does not matter to me as long as you are fighting for it. Why so tough on Treg? He is a good contributor here, I would buy a beer to help you relax, but we live too far away, and you might not want to hang out with me because I am a terrible speller.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

I don't

care for his ideas and never have. The most recent I can recall is his "Shame on the Ron Paul Campaign" headline that he refused to change, knowing that RP and family read here.
I'm sure he's a nice guy in real life.
I guess we can agree to disagree on "contribution."

I only bring the "spelling" up, because I've watched this guy carry on about 9/11 without the slightest clue since 2008. Now he wants to come across as some kind of expert on the different "conspiracy camps?" Nonsense. The fact that he can't even spell Tenet's name correctly, shows he has done no research. He never did any when he was encouraged to, back in 2008-2010. He said "he preferred to sit in the bleachers and sip his soda", referring to watching the two sides of the argument go at it. I sense this is more of the same.

Thanks for the offer, but I don't need help relaxing. I'm not interested in continuing this discussion either. No offense.

Thanks for the Spelling tips and sorry you don't like my ideas

I guess I can't please everyone.

But if you sense that I am still in the bleachers and sipping my soda and munching my popcorn as the 9/11 truthers battle it out with http://www.debunking911.com/, well you can rest easy now. I've stopped eating and sipping. The verdict is in, 9/11 truthers don't tell the truth, unfortunately they flat out lie.

For example, here a 9/11 truther video uses Frank De Martini as an architectural expert of the twin towers in a selective quote to appear as the architect of the twin tower agree is in agreement with the point of the documentary. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pvEge5HPJU and http://www.immortaltechnique.co.uk/Thread-Twin-Towers-Were-B... The fact is that guy is not the architect of the twin towers but many truther videos lead the unsuspecting to think he is or a real knowledgeable authority, which he wasn't. http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=16568

The REAL architect Minoru Yamasaki however wrote after 9/11 happened what he meant and was angry with the truther video using those statements in that way. By fully loaded, it was meant passengers, and EMPTY of FUEL, lost in the FOG. That is the kind of plane impact design built in, not to last for ever, just a while. The architect specifically wrote "No building we can construct today would have been able to withstand the impact of the terrorist airplanes that struck the World Trade Center Towers on September 11, 2001." Indeed, he was surprised the Twin Towers held up the hour plus and so was pleased, yet that is not the impression you get from a truther video. Yamasaki has said, if it was not the hot fires that would bring the building down, he would expect high winds to do it in. Redundancy was built into the design, but no building can hold forever. http://architecture.about.com/od/disastersandcollapses/a/twi...

So I am not in the bleachers. 9/11 truthers lie. Like evangelists with a cause, they are best to be avoided. Truth is not their bright star, conspiracy is. This is why many of them had a prior careers writing about fake moon landings and holocaust denials. When 9/11 happened, they were right there with their glossy mags and videos. What they were doing was asking lots of good questions, what they were NOT doing was giving good answers.

So today I am firmly in the "soft conspiracy camp", the camp that says that's how the CIA operates and it looks like they have "looked away" again and in so doing made it all happen. The camp that says, lets listen to Clarke blaming or pointing a finger at Tenet. Notice the soft conspiracy crowd has been drowned out by 9/11 truthers. Justin Raimondo has been wise to stay clear, but he couldn't help but write about Carl Cameron's Israeli Art Students. The soft conspiracy crowd is talking about the same CIA who assassinated Latin American presidents in plane accidents, over threw others, and smuggled in cocaine, and owns lots of small plane airports all over the world. We are talking about the same CIA that did a Vice Presidents bidding to kill a president and the same one who makes sure accidents happen oh so conveniently. The very same one that is right now doing a bang up job targeting and killing 'bad guys'. See more here: http://www.amazon.com/Confessions-Economic-Hit-John-Perkins/...

However, what I do not think fly's is your theory that good spelling equals great studied research. But I won't argue the point because someday, knowing how you enjoy it so much, should I actually write something really good, I may have to use you as my unpaid editor.

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I'm just guessing,

but I suppose the term "fingers" could be considered sexual innuendo by some people, and that's what he's referring to?

Its funny. I believe if we

Its funny. I believe if we didnt give israel foriegn aid they wouldnt have been able to help our government with 9.11. Coincedentally without aid to israel states like iran pakistan etc would be alot more friendly to the US. By the way who are we and who is the UN to tell a group of people that they can or cannot have statehood based on how we feel about there society or way of life. We should just mind our own business and let these other countries make there own risks and decisions, after all thats what freedom is about. Maybe the US should stop paying lip service to helping countries be free.

Soft conspiracy, hard conspiracy...

doesn't matter. As Judge Napolitano pointed out, nobody got punished, nobody even had to testify under oath.

What happens if Ron Paul wins and Obama refuses to step down. In this twisted society of ours, this could happen. What would YOU do?

OK, is the thermite they

OK, is the thermite they found part of the "soft" or "hard" conspiracy? What about WTC7?

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Thanks

Interesting interview. Gets down to the old question of whether they let it happen or caused it to happen. Either way there are a lot of people that should be on trial.

Jim Rogers

Jim Rogers the famed investor?

Couldn't be....

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Nope

I get asked that alot here. It is my real name, though.

Jim Rogers