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Open Carry Gun control bill in California Gov. Brown's hands!

If you are an advocate of gun rights and open carry gun rights please contact Gov. Gerry Brown office and voice your opinion.

Governor Jerry Brown
c/o State Capitol, Suite 1173
Sacramento, CA 95814

Phone: (916) 445-2841
Fax: (916) 558-3160

Gun control bill in Gov. Brown's hands
A measure to bar Californians from openly carrying weapons is supported by Sheriff Baca and LAPD Chief Beck, but opposed by 2nd Amendment activists who pack heat in coffee shops and restaurants.

Patrick McGreevy, Los Angeles Times
September 17, 2011

On Gov. Jerry Brown's desk is a bid to bar Californians from openly carrying firearms, legislation that could open a new front in the state's decades-old gun control debate.

The measure, aimed at an increasingly popular tactic used by 2nd Amendment activists, would make California the first state since 1987 to outlaw the controversial practice of publicly displaying a weapon.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-guns-20110917,0,6149...

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If California wasn't such a

If California wasn't such a beautiful state with very nice weather, lifestyle, and good looking women, I would be out of here as soon as I finish college. Our government is absolutely horrible.

I concur... the government is corrupt and anti-liberty.

If my family wasn't here I would have been gone a long time ago.

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"The greatest mystery of all is truth." - Me, 2009

What's the difference?

Are these serfs worried that they may need these hammers to defend themselves against protruding nail heads on the boardwalk?

What other purpose does an EMPTY gun serve?

Open empty carry. Delusional.
Your second amendment went the way of the wooly mammoth, long ago.

Carry a concealed ice pick and shut the hell up!

This is about breaking down the myth...

... that law abiding citizens openly carrying guns are a danger to the community when in fact it's the complete opposite. You can have the ammunition in a pocket or otherwise ready to load if needed.

FYI information I can load my weapon in seconds and a hammer or ice pick won;t do jack against a gangster with a gun.

And by the way, you will never shut me up.

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"The greatest mystery of all is truth." - Me, 2009

You're right.

I hate to agree, but I do in this case.

An unloaded gun is nothing more than jewelry. Probably the best course of action if you are actually concerned about safety and personal protection is to go for the concealed weapon permit.

Bill of Rights

I guess it would be OK for California to shut the press down and tell people they can't speak ill of government too. The States signed onto the constitution in its original form. Some of the text of the constitution enumerates certain rights of man simply by being born a free man (or woman). The "RIGHT" to defend oneself with firearms shall not be abridged. What other man on earth can take away your basic human rights. States are legal fictions just like the Unites States is a legal fiction. How can a legal fiction take away what are considered basic human rights. California hasn't authority to take away your right to speech, travel, or defense any more than they have a right to randomly rape or kill human beings within their borders.

Even our pitiful Supreme Court has ruled this an individual right that Localities and States can't infringe.

Your logic seems to indicate that the Declaration of Independence, which contains the ideals for the foundation of our nation, was incorrect in its statements of human rights. I guess we are all just puppets of legal fictions and must submit to all our rulers dictates. Hey, a couples of guys voted and we aren't allowed to speak anymore......is this really what you believe???

Rights are inalienable.

Rights are inalienable. That's why they're "rights." The purpose of a constitution is to chain the government down when it desires to infringe on those rights. The California Constitution does not have a chain protecting the inalienable right to bear arms. The lack of that clause doesn't make the gun ban RIGHT, because it infringes on liberty, but that doesn't mean that the Federal Government has the Constitutional power to overturn a state law that is not contrary to the California constitution. The people of California are responsible for their liberty, that's why THEY must be the ones to stand up and shout and holler for their right to be protected. And I would certainly support them in doing so. The US Constitution protects us from the US government, not the state governments.

Many states signed on to the original Constitution without the Bill of Rights because they recognized that a.) congress couldn't pass a law without having the power expressly given to them first (so infringing on press, guns, etc wouldn't be constitutional) and b.) most of their state constitutions protected the rights that were later in the Bill of Rights. People recognized that there may still be a risk of the national government infringing on the rights as national law, so they restrained the national government as well.

"You must be frank with the world; frankness is the child of honesty and courage...Never do anything wrong to make a friend or keep one...Above all do not appear to others what you are not" - Robert E. Lee, CSA

Bump for a Citizen deterrent

Bump for a Citizen deterrent against government tyranny.
This is the line they shall not cross.

"The United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that." — Alan Greenspan

California, New York, New Jersey or Massachussets...

will be the first place where citizens exercise their Second Amendment rights and take back their government; you mark my words.

Not Washington's place to intervene...

California made their mistake by forming a Constitution that lacked a right to bear arms clause. The US Constitution forbids the US Congress from infringing on the right to bear arms from a national level but does not forbid states to make their own rules. Only the people of California can protect liberty within California. California messed up in 1879.

It's similar to the freedom of religion clause... Up until the 1830's some individual states still had state religions. 1st Amendment kept the federal government out of it but did nothing to forbid the states from doing it. We must not crush tyranny with a higher tyranny.

"You must be frank with the world; frankness is the child of honesty and courage...Never do anything wrong to make a friend or keep one...Above all do not appear to others what you are not" - Robert E. Lee, CSA

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Bump for the people in California. Get ready for this tyranny.

SteveMT at 12:58 PM September 18, 2011

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Where in the Second Amendment does it say "except in California?"

Brown signing this bill will be beyond unconstitutional. It would be tyranny.

http://discussions.latimes.com/20/lanews/la-me-guns-20110917...