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THEY are coming after your unvaccinated kids (A compilation)

Submitted by America Loves R... on Tue, 09/20/2011 - 15:47
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Here is yet another compilation I felt compelled to begin. Remember, the following list will grow larger and larger, unfortunately:

Tougher laws considered for unvaccinated students

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700180628/Tougher-laws-co...

SACRAMENTO, Calif. — Lawmakers say they will consider tougher requirements for schools that have been defying state law by letting students who cannot prove they have had the whooping cough vaccine remain on campus.

Students being allowed to attend school without the inoculation put the rest of the community at risk, said state Assemblyman Dan Logue, R-Chico, vice chairman of his chamber's health committee.

"Due to the health risk, we might look at some type of legislation to encourage schools," he said. "The bottom line is we need to find more teeth than the mandate.

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Anti-vaccine movement endangers entire populations, not just individuals

http://www.medcitynews.com/2011/09/anti-vaccine-movement-end...

"Dr. Poland suggests that vaccine denialist propaganda does a public disservice, and recommends that it may be time to consider legislating vaccinations for the public good, and to protect vulnerable members of the population. He notes that while anti-vaccination movements call for more research, continued investigation into vaccine safety ’ particularly with regard to the well-established MMR vaccine ’ represents a misallocation of limited research dollars, because of the incredible scientific consensus regarding vaccine safety."

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Parents home-school to avoid vaccinating their kids

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2008-10-21-home-school-v...

"Lance Rodewald, director of the CDC's Immunization Services Division, says the measles outbreaks show a problem with state policies allowing home-schooled children to escape vaccines."

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Utah state legislator wants to impose fees on the unvaccinated

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/51831839-78/outbreak-measl...

Instead of an outright ban on personal exemptions, Moss is considering imposing a fee on families who choose to skip shots. The fee — similar to taxes on other health nuisances, such as cigarettes — could be used to fund outbreak containment efforts, she said.

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Not vaccinated? Not acceptable: David Ropeik

http://www.cleveland.com/opinion/index.ssf/2011/07/not_vacci...

There are many potential solutions, each fraught with pros and cons and details that require careful thought and open democratic discussion.

• Perhaps it should be harder to opt out of vaccination. (Twenty-one states allow parents to decline vaccination of their children simply for "philosophical" reasons; 48 allow a religious exemption, but few demand documentation from parents to support claims that their faith precludes vaccination.)

• Perhaps there should be higher health care and insurance costs for unvaccinated people, or "healthy behavior" discounts for people who do get vaccinated, paid for from what society saves by avoiding the spread of disease.

• There could be restrictions on the community and social activities in which unvaccinated people can participate, like lengthy school trips for kids, etc.

This is not about creating more government to intrude further into our lives. This is about calling on government to do what it's there for in the first place: to protect us from the actions of others when, as individuals, we can't protect ourselves. It is appropriate, and urgent, that we act to protect public health from those whose choices about vaccines are putting the rest of us at risk: We make them stop.

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AMA POSITION - H-440.970 Religious Exemptions from Immunizations

Statement by these crooks (which has since been removed from their site):

Since religious/philosophic exemptions from immunizations endanger not only the health of the unvaccinated individual, but also the health of those in his or her group and the community at large, the AMA (1) encourages state medical associations to seek removal of such exemptions in statutes requiring mandatory immunizations; (2) encourages physicians and state and local medical associations to work with public health officials to inform religious groups and others who object to immunizations of the benefits of vaccinations and the risk to their own health and that of the general public if they refuse to accept them; and (3) encourages state and local medical associations to work with public health officials to develop contingency plans for controlling outbreaks in exempt populations and to intensify efforts to achieve high immunization rates in communities where groups having religious exemptions from immunizations reside. (CSA Rep. B, A-87; Reaffirmed: Sunset Report, I-97; Reaffirmed: CSAPH Rep. 3, A-07)

Here's a screenshot of this AMA policy from their website:

http://i565.photobucket.com/albums/ss99/LakelandRainBarrels/...

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Public Health Risk Seen as Parents Reject Vaccines

http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080321...

....the number of exemptions worries many health officials and experts. They say that vaccines have saved countless lives, and that personal-belief exemptions are potentially dangerous and bad public policy because they are not based on sound science.

“If you have clusters of exemptions, you increase the risk of exposing everyone in the community,” said Dr. Omer, who has extensively studied disease outbreaks and vaccines.

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I might be missing something

Submitted by Liberty81 on Sun, 03/04/2012 - 20:09.

I might be missing something but how is an unvaccinated child going to get children sick who have been vaccinated for that particular disease. If they are vaccinated and it works how exactly would an unvaccinated child get them sick? I feel really dumb asking this and I'm pretty sure I'm missing something lol

Shh, Liberty81

Submitted by Peggy R on Sun, 03/04/2012 - 20:33.

You're not supposed to smart enough to figure that out.

no

Submitted by cinco on Sun, 03/04/2012 - 20:23.

ya ain't missin nuthin. you said it.

if you can answer THAT one, then you give me a call.

United States Vaccinations and China

Submitted by KnS on Sun, 03/04/2012 - 18:37.

Someone on here brought made the argument about 'what if we are all unvaccinated against smallpox and China brings a smallpox virus into the US and lets it loose?' Well, you must not have heard that the US is going to be importing vaccinations FROM China either soon, or are already doing it. So, just some food for thought for you, China isn't going to have to SNEAK in ANY type of killer virus or whatnot...why?? Because our governemtn is going to ALLOW them to import vaccines into the US. Scary thought. At least it SHOULD be.

http://blog.chron.com/momhouston/2011/11/are-parents-ready-f...

UNBELIEVABLE ADMISSION FROM PET VET !!!!

Submitted by America Loves R... on Sat, 02/18/2012 - 20:16.

Vaccine-Induced Tumors In Cats

http://www.theledger.com/article/20120218/COLUMNISTS/202185001

(Excerpts): You may have noticed that your veterinarian used to vaccinate your cat between the shoulder blades and now they do it on a leg or on the tail. This practice was developed to make it easier to treat a tumor if it occurred.

Vaccine-associated sarcomas can develop over weeks to years after a vaccine is administered. These tumors are thought to occur from inflammation incited by the vaccine that causes these cells to divide. The best results for tumor control occur when aggressive surgery and radiation therapy are combined. Cats that undergo this type of treatment can be tumor-free for approximately two years.

The risk of developing a tumor from a vaccine may be much less than your cat catching a deadly virus that could have been prevented with a vaccine.

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Anyone who

Submitted by LB2 on Tue, 02/14/2012 - 12:09.

believes that the State has the right to force people to take on something they don't consent to do, needs to get the hell off of this site. From the comments below, there are a few who are enemies of liberty. Go away. We don't need fascists in this volunteer community. Please kindly go away.

Sam Adams said it best,"Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." Please leave the fight for liberty to those of us who actually believe in it.

Like there are OUTBREAKS caused by the unvaccinated? NOT!

Submitted by cepivon on Tue, 02/14/2012 - 12:00.

Government is GOVERNMENT GONE WILD!

Sorry, but these bureaucrats are such CONTROL FREAKS! They relish in their desire to control us. They roll around in their power trips over us! I've seen this at even the local levels in the City Parks Board, for goodness sake.

I have a vaccine-injured grandchild, and I am really mad at the Medical Community who would rather pump through 10 patients per hour, rather than to do RESEARCH on their own time to INVESTIGATE what is true and what is not true!

They would discover the TRUTH, as "some" doctors have already.

This is really wrong. The government steps over the line, when it PHYSICALLY FORCES these kinds of things on us and our children. WHAT HAVE WE BECOME? THIS COUNTRY HAS CHANGED, AND NOT FOR THE BETTER. What is amazing to me is how only about 600 people in D.C. can control over 350 million people!

WE ARE EXPERIENCING FASCISM, and it's not right, especially when we know the facts are on our side, and especially when we have children and grandchildren who have been damaged by these vaccines!! Pure disgust and contempt is how I feel towards these government dictators. They are driving us out of this country...

Vaccine nation

Submitted by limelemon on Tue, 02/14/2012 - 12:08.

Check out the documentary Vaccine nation by Gary Null. It's on youtube.

Just a complete infringement on freedom

Submitted by loumiller21nj on Tue, 02/14/2012 - 11:35.

So vaccines can help prevent diseases in large groups and they also can have serious side effects on individuals.

Most reasonable people will concede those two points, studies certainly prove the existence of negative side effects and the herd immunity seems reasonable even if I have yet to see formal human vaccination studies to back it up. Most reasonable people (non-communists and non-fascists at least) would also agree that it is not ethical to be forced to do something that is potentially dangerous to you unless it is *likely* that inaction would be hazardous as well. From what I see the non-vaccinated population does not pose a *likely* threat to the vaccinated population, that threat is currently an imagined one.

From a policy perspective the selling point for vaccines is to keep kids in school and parents from taking off work. So in short, the govt says your priority should be working and handing over your kids' care to the schools/daycares.

I work, but choose to be a parent first. When my kids are sick I keep them home. Instead of vaccinating them I quarantine them when necessary. As their parent I am responsible for their health and wellbeing, and I believe I am being responsible to my community at the same time. From what I have read regarding treating communicable diseases in Africa (where unlike the US - poor nutrition, poor sanitation and limited access to clean water give diseases a better environment to thrive) quarantine is more effective then vaccines in controlling the spread of disease in the community.

My pediatrician has been practicing conventional medicine for the past 40+ years. He does not give flu vaccines in his office to any patients since in his opinion they are not proven to be effective or necessary for children, and he believes parents decide what vaccines their children receive. I think that if he is comfortable with this policy after being in practice so long then the pro-vaccination paranoia is not justified.

Vaccines Don't Even Work

Submitted by Luv-n-liberty on Tue, 02/14/2012 - 11:00.

My children are not vaccinated, and for good reason... My mom works at a university near Chicago and two or three years ago they had a mumps outbreak at the school. Approximately eighteen students caught the mumps and had to be quarantined. ALL eighteen students had been vaccinated for the mumps!

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When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object. - Patrick Henry

I can't stand this argument!!

Submitted by SarahLovinLivinIdaho on Tue, 02/14/2012 - 09:59.

"Students being allowed to attend school without the inoculation put the rest of the community at risk" - if the rest of them are vaccinated, aren't they protected? What gives?? This has gotta be the most illogical argument of vaccine proponents!

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"It's Trillions of dollars we're spending on these wars!!"
"THIS IS BIG STUFF!"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1P6GOuCYoM

I agree

Submitted by voteliberty2012 on Tue, 02/14/2012 - 10:29.

It also drives me crazy. It also says the government can force you to do anything because it might benefit someone else.

I would really like to turn the argument against the pro-vaccine anti-health people by saying, "You know it is likely you who are the weak link. Eating high fructose corn syrup, processed foods and chemicals, GMO's, hiding from the sun so you have low vit D, etc destroys the capability of your immune system. The only people putting you at risk is yourselves."

who here believes in self-ownership?

Submitted by limelemon on Tue, 02/14/2012 - 13:29.

They force you to do stuff that might benefit others, and they also force you to do stuff that might benefit yourself like not drinking raw milk, for example.

Everyone Is Right/Wrong

Submitted by 2cb on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 21:25.

I have read all these comments, and like Dr. KAF, am educated in medical sciences, and like most all the rest, have utter contempt and disdain for the systems currently in place.

Dr. KAF is correct in what he says, and so are all of the rest of you correct in what you say. Vaccines do help in herds, ask any rancher. Vaccines also have negative side-effects, as most of the rest of you say.

Dr. KAF has the right approach so long as people populate themselves into a massive herd. The rest of you have the right approach for rural independent living.

YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS! You can't populate yourselves into a massive herd on this planet and have all the benefits of an independent self-sustainable free society of people.

If you want to populate into a massive herd, then you will get treated like a massive herd (for good or bad), there is no other possible outcome.

Live like cattle, get treated like cattle.
If you don't care about overpopulation, then too bad.
The system will thrive off the dependent masses, and
force you to submit. THAT IS REALITY, NO OTHER WAY.

2cb~~~with us 10 weeks, and he is a RP supporter~~right!

Submitted by cepivon on Tue, 02/14/2012 - 12:03.

2cb: Bugger off, would you, you troll!

In Regards To Cattle Posts

Submitted by 2cb on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 23:19.

SO WHAT? Shit happens! People make mistakes, and that will never change. Your arguments with cattle deaths due to vaccinations are in MY FAVOR!

I agree, cattle can die because of human error in the production of vaccines. But just type:

unvaccinated cattle died OR dead OR deaths

into Google, and read almost 1/2 million stories on how unvaccinated cattle died. We need truth, not nonsense argument.

You argue in MY FAVOR, because I am saying that as we populated ourselves into a human herd and become more interdependent and dependent on government, YOUR STORIES WILL MANIFEST IN THE HUMAN POPULATION. Good grief.

If we were all unvaccinated against smallpox, and China spread some smallpox virus around subways in major cities, what do you think will happen then? Please, do say ...

Case in point

Submitted by America Loves R... on Tue, 02/14/2012 - 11:32.

Instead of cleaning up the mess and allowing the animals to engage in "free range" nutritional activities, we have the following example of modern-day CRUD-farms of which the NY govt is trying to mandate a salmonella vaccine to bestow "health" to the situation. This is cart-before-horse reasoning:

NY Lawmakers Seek Salmonella Vaccine

http://www.newsinferno.com/archive/ny-lawmakers-seek-salmone...

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"Meanwhile, we just wrote that a large mound of manure and rodent, fly, maggot, and wild bird infestations, among other disgusting findings, were revealed at one of the two egg producers blamed on the outbreak and recall. The findings were a result of a US Food & Drug Administration (FDA) inspection at Wright County Egg (Quality Egg) in Iowa. At the other egg producer, Hillandale Farms, FDA inspectors found unsealed rodent holes and live rodents entering facilities, standing water, and liquid manure leaking into a section of the floor."

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Interesting thought processes there

Submitted by America Loves R... on Tue, 02/14/2012 - 11:26.

First off, we quit vaccinating against smallpox in the late-70s. The explanation was that it was "eradicated". The real reason is that the vaccine was/is extremely dangerous and actually CAUSED the spread of the disease. Interestingly, now they claim also that polio has been eradicated in the western nations. So why is the polio vaccine still mandated?

2cb, let's just say (for the sake of argument) that vaccines actually help cattle and the above examples I gave were "flukes" - so what happens when pharmaceutical companies, hospitals, doctors, etc, all go bankrupt over the next few years and all of this FAKE "immunity" and "health" of which we have become so reliant from drugs and vaccines falls like a house of cards? Wouldn't it behoove us to strengthen humans and animals with NUTRITION and SANITATION instead of man-made serums and drugs?

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Read the book 'Gut and

Submitted by Musicians and H... on Tue, 02/14/2012 - 09:50.

Read the book 'Gut and Psychology Syndrome' by Natasha Campbell-McBride

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Everything the government touches turns to mud...expensive mud.

Even more vaccine/cattle news

Submitted by America Loves R... on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 23:06.

out of Bhutan: Question mark over quality of vaccines

http://www.kuenselonline.com/2010/modules.php?name=News&file...

“Farmers don’t report when there’s an outbreak, as they don’t want their cows to be vaccinated,” he said. “After vaccination, the milk production reduces drastically, so farmers are reluctant.” A Sarpang livestock officer Wangchuk said the quality of vaccine was doubtful, because evidence of disease outbreak, even in vaccinated areas, was prevalent. Animal health specialist with the national centre for animal health, Dr Passang Tshering, said although the vaccine that entered the country contained the same strain of virus as those used in India, they were not tested. “We can’t test them either as they’re very expensive and the vaccine are injected into the animals,” he said. “But we have plans as to see the quality of vaccines we’re using today.”

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More vaccine/cattle news

Submitted by America Loves R... on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 23:02.

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Faulty vaccine caused foot-and-mouth outbreak: Paraguay

http://www.canada.com/technology/Faulty+vaccine+caused+foot+...

ASUNCION, PARAGUAY - A botched vaccine intended to protect Paraguay’s livestock against foot-and-mouth disease was responsible for transmitting the ailment to hundreds of animals that later had to be destroyed, the government said Tuesday. "After the most recent laboratory analysis, we have confirmed that the outbreak of foot and mouth disease... came about as a result of problems with the vaccination of animals," said Daniel Rojas, head of Paraguay’s National Service for Animal Health and Quality. The outbreak prompted neighboring countries to ban the import of Paraguayan meat, livestock, and meat by-products to prevent the spread of the disease across international boundaries.

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Did you say vaccines are good for cattle?

Submitted by America Loves R... on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 23:07.

I have a few mainstream news stories which prove otherwise:

Vaccine Linked to 'Bleeding Calf Syndrome'

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/08/110829210821.htm

Excerpts:

Bleeding calf syndrome (bovine neonatal pancytopenia or BNP) affects new born calves resulting in low blood cell counts and depletion of the bone marrow. There is evidence that BNP is linked to the use of a particular vaccine against "Bovine viral diarrhea virus" (BVDV). It has been suggested that antibodies in colostrum, the first milk the mother produces, are responsible for destroying the calf's blood cells. These antibodies are produced by the mother in response to contamination of vaccine against BVDV with proteins released by the production process.

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YOU GUYS ARE GREAT!

Submitted by homeschoolfamil... on Sat, 02/11/2012 - 23:34.

I recently gave birth to our fourth child...Due to some
complications I decided to have her in the hospital rather than at home...
After she was born the pediatrician kept pushing the hepatitus vaccine...we of course said no...anyone that can read for themselves understands how dangerous vaccines are.
Our daughter had some stuff in one eye that the Dr. wanted to make sure wasn't an infection...so they ran some tests and told us to bring her in that week to his office to get the results.
When we got to his office they had us fill out the usually paperwork. They wanted us to sign a consent to vaccinate form. We didn't. Do you know that the so called Doctor wouldn't even see us to explain that we were not welcome in his office. He sent the office manager to the packed waiting room to inform us. I then ask if He could at least give us the results of her test. What do you think he did? Right. He wouldn't even come out or give us the results.
Praise the Lord he acted this way it shows what type of person he was. I wouldn't want him near my baby. Cowards, sold out cowards they are.
I just wanted to say THANK YOU for the things you guys have written. I don't feel so alone when I am here...God bless you and keep up the great work.
OH, our baby girl was fine. We found a really nice Dr. from Poland that let us decide to vaccinate or not and he got the test results and everything was fine.

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My doctor was upset with us too......

Submitted by Iron-man01 on Sun, 02/12/2012 - 00:18.

Because after we gave him some info.on the dangers of vaccination and questioned him ...He try to sugar coated it by saying there is very little side effects and she will be infecting other kid's as well...So then I ask him could you Guarantee that nothing would happen to my little girl after she is vaccinated..and then he pause for a brief moment and said "no I can't guarantee that"....I then said well Doc you answered my questions...So we said no thank's I'm finding another Doctor...Good bye and thank you for your service.

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Hoping this thread

Submitted by lord of the flies on Sat, 02/11/2012 - 13:31.

grows and grows with more information to share with others. Haven't had the flu shot in some 20 years and I haven't had the flu. Was talking to a doctor the other day who suggested I get a shot. I told him that I wouldn't and those that have usually get sick. He said they probably didn't get sick from the shot but probably got the flu while waiting in the doctors office to get the shot. NO BS, it's what he said. Their legal drug pushers and thats all they do.

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same here.....

Submitted by Iron-man01 on Sat, 02/11/2012 - 14:07.

I work around people that get's the Flu all the time, I haven't been sick for about 6 years now ..I Just keep my PH.level up..

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"Observe the masses,and do the opposite."

how....

Submitted by dave_in_sotex on Sat, 02/11/2012 - 13:09.

If what they say is true, that vaccines are effective and safe, is my unvaccinated kid a risk to anyone who's had the vaccine? What they say makes no sense and none of my 4 kids are now and never will be vaccinated.