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THEY are coming after your unvaccinated kids (A compilation)

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Here is yet another compilation I felt compelled to begin. Remember, the following list will grow larger and larger, unfortunately:

Tougher laws considered for unvaccinated students

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700180628/Tougher-laws-co...

SACRAMENTO, Calif. — Lawmakers say they will consider tougher requirements for schools that have been defying state law by letting students who cannot prove they have had the whooping cough vaccine remain on campus.

Students being allowed to attend school without the inoculation put the rest of the community at risk, said state Assemblyman Dan Logue, R-Chico, vice chairman of his chamber's health committee.

"Due to the health risk, we might look at some type of legislation to encourage schools," he said. "The bottom line is we need to find more teeth than the mandate.

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Anti-vaccine movement endangers entire populations, not just individuals

http://www.medcitynews.com/2011/09/anti-vaccine-movement-end...

"Dr. Poland suggests that vaccine denialist propaganda does a public disservice, and recommends that it may be time to consider legislating vaccinations for the public good, and to protect vulnerable members of the population. He notes that while anti-vaccination movements call for more research, continued investigation into vaccine safety ’ particularly with regard to the well-established MMR vaccine ’ represents a misallocation of limited research dollars, because of the incredible scientific consensus regarding vaccine safety."

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Parents home-school to avoid vaccinating their kids

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2008-10-21-home-school-v...

"Lance Rodewald, director of the CDC's Immunization Services Division, says the measles outbreaks show a problem with state policies allowing home-schooled children to escape vaccines."

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Utah state legislator wants to impose fees on the unvaccinated

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/51831839-78/outbreak-measl...

Instead of an outright ban on personal exemptions, Moss is considering imposing a fee on families who choose to skip shots. The fee — similar to taxes on other health nuisances, such as cigarettes — could be used to fund outbreak containment efforts, she said.

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Not vaccinated? Not acceptable: David Ropeik

http://www.cleveland.com/opinion/index.ssf/2011/07/not_vacci...

There are many potential solutions, each fraught with pros and cons and details that require careful thought and open democratic discussion.

• Perhaps it should be harder to opt out of vaccination. (Twenty-one states allow parents to decline vaccination of their children simply for "philosophical" reasons; 48 allow a religious exemption, but few demand documentation from parents to support claims that their faith precludes vaccination.)

• Perhaps there should be higher health care and insurance costs for unvaccinated people, or "healthy behavior" discounts for people who do get vaccinated, paid for from what society saves by avoiding the spread of disease.

• There could be restrictions on the community and social activities in which unvaccinated people can participate, like lengthy school trips for kids, etc.

This is not about creating more government to intrude further into our lives. This is about calling on government to do what it's there for in the first place: to protect us from the actions of others when, as individuals, we can't protect ourselves. It is appropriate, and urgent, that we act to protect public health from those whose choices about vaccines are putting the rest of us at risk: We make them stop.

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AMA POSITION - H-440.970 Religious Exemptions from Immunizations

Statement by these crooks (which has since been removed from their site):

Since religious/philosophic exemptions from immunizations endanger not only the health of the unvaccinated individual, but also the health of those in his or her group and the community at large, the AMA (1) encourages state medical associations to seek removal of such exemptions in statutes requiring mandatory immunizations; (2) encourages physicians and state and local medical associations to work with public health officials to inform religious groups and others who object to immunizations of the benefits of vaccinations and the risk to their own health and that of the general public if they refuse to accept them; and (3) encourages state and local medical associations to work with public health officials to develop contingency plans for controlling outbreaks in exempt populations and to intensify efforts to achieve high immunization rates in communities where groups having religious exemptions from immunizations reside. (CSA Rep. B, A-87; Reaffirmed: Sunset Report, I-97; Reaffirmed: CSAPH Rep. 3, A-07)

Here's a screenshot of this AMA policy from their website:

http://i565.photobucket.com/albums/ss99/LakelandRainBarrels/...

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Public Health Risk Seen as Parents Reject Vaccines

http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080321...

....the number of exemptions worries many health officials and experts. They say that vaccines have saved countless lives, and that personal-belief exemptions are potentially dangerous and bad public policy because they are not based on sound science.

“If you have clusters of exemptions, you increase the risk of exposing everyone in the community,” said Dr. Omer, who has extensively studied disease outbreaks and vaccines.

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Here's a video commentary I just found by Paul Offit which will send chills down everyone's spine and make your brain hurt with his "logic" of how he intends to discredit vaccine exemptions:

'Vaccine Exemptions'? Call Them What They Really Are

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/768746

‎(Quote): "A second way people can exempt themselves from vaccines are the so-called philosophical or personal belief exemptions. Twenty states allow that kind of exemption. I would argue that these exemptions are misnamed. First of all, th
e notion that vaccines are a "philosophy" is inaccurate. Philo means love, sophos means wisdom. Exactly where is the wisdom in saying that it is better not to get vaccines than to get them?"

‎(Quote): "The third way one can exempt oneself from vaccines are so-called religious exemptions. Forty-eight states have them. I would argue this also does not make a lot of sense. The first vaccine was Edward Jenner's vaccine in 1796. The
New Testament was written around 100 AD, the Old Testament between 1400 and 400 BC, and the Qur'an around 600 AD. All those texts were written well before vaccines existed, so not surprisingly, they never mention or predict them. I also would argue that it does not make sense to say, "It is my religious belief that a child not get a vaccine," and therefore a child should be left with less protection under the law. The 14th Amendment of the Constitution, the so-called Equal Protection Clause, states that a child or anyone should be equally protected and implies that this is independent of a parent's belief system. If the child is exposed to harm, that child should have equal protection. For example, if a Jehovah's Witness parent says, "I do not want my child to get a lifesaving blood transfusion," the parent does not have the freedom of religion to practice that because of the 14th Amendment."

(Quote): "I think we should call these exemptions what they really are. Let's not sugarcoat this choice. We should call them the "I do not want to get vaccines because I have read a lot of scary things about vaccines and I am afraid that t
hey might hurt my child, and I am not so sure I believe in pharmaceutical companies or the medical establishment or the government, so I do not want my child to get them" vaccine exemption. That would be, I think, more honest."

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Out of Australia:

No vaccine, no school, says AMA chief

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/no-vaccine-no-s...

(Excerpts): Unvaccinated children should be held back from school and groups spreading anti-vaccination messages should be punished, according to the federal president of the Australian Medical Association.

Dr Steve Hambleton said a report released on Thursday detailing national immunisation rates raised concerns about parents in certain areas not following vaccination guidelines.

''We should certainly make it difficult for [unvaccinated] children to get to school,'' said Steve Hambleton, responding to new national statistics on immunisation rates.

''And we should certainly have plans available to send all those children home if there are outbreaks.''

''These are parents who have got information, good information available and yet they are not vaccinating their children,'' Dr Hambleton said. ( oh so true, but not how HE meant it)

There is also a worrying undercurrent of vaccine objectors who believe conspiracy websites and reject public health guidelines.

These vaccine objectors ''should be ashamed of themselves'' for spreading misinformation and should be sanctioned, Dr Hambleton said.

''We need to look at the groups providing those anti-vaccination messages and we need to make sure we stop them . . . They are putting the community in danger.''

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Editorial: Time to stop keeping kids immune from jab

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/time-to-stop-keeping-kids-i...

(Excerpts): In the past the campaigns have concentrated on making vaccination compulsory, but unfortunately successive governments have not had the stomach for it. Our ‘‘ No Jab, No Play’’ campaign is focusing its effort on specific initiatives to encourage more parents to vaccinate.

We are calling on the state government to allow childcare centres to ban children who have not been vaccinated. And we are calling on the federal government to withhold the childcare rebate from every parent who fails to immunise.

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Bioethicist says parents who don't vaccinate should face liability for consequences

http://www.pri.org/stories/health/bioethicist-says-parents-w...

(Excerpt):

A doctor and medical ethicist (Art Caplan)says parents who choose not to vaccinate their children should be liable, in the form of lawsuits, for anyone who becomes sick from their child. He argues parents should have the right to not vaccinate, but they should also expect to be sued if their child gets someone else sick.

"If your kid gets the measles, and remember public health officials are getting very very good at tracing outbreaks to their source, and makes my kid sick (can happen since vaccine is not 100 percent effective), my newborn baby die (newborns can’t benefit from vaccines) or my wife miscarry (fetuses are at especially high risk), then shouldn’t I be able to sue you for the harm you have done?"

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Don't listen to the evil vaccine deniers!

Drugs, heavy metals like mercury, toxic chemicals like fluoride, recombinant genetically engineered viruses, recombinant genetically engineered growth hormones, and recombinant genetically engineered corn, soy, and canola are good you and your baby.

Don't look at those pesky scientific studies showing all the dangers of the aforementioned.

Don't ask to look at the vaccine insert listing the known side effects (and god forbid you consider the possible unknown side effects!).

Whatever you do don't make an informed decision when you decide to put all of these dangerous substances into your body.

Above all else don't think for yourself and never draw your own conclusions based a thoughtful review of the available information.

Don't consider the fact that all studies on any of these substances are inherently short term.

Refrain from thinking about potential combination effects from mixing these and other dangerous substances together and the fact no studies have ever been done or will ever be done on these inherently complex issues.

Forget about the possibility that problems could occur over the long term and the fact that such issues wouldn't be picked up in short term studies.

Oh and don't look at how many people are actually in the studies either don't consider the fact that given the small sample size there could be serious side effects that could effect a significant percentage of the population that may not appear in the studies (or may be thrown out as "coincidence").

When the stress jab containing the genetically engineered herpes virus designed to go into your brain and alter your neurochemistry is mandated as a condition of buying insurance just go along like a good sheeple it's for the good of the herd after all you are just an animal. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1299540/Jab-stop-s...

If any anecdotal reports indicate that there are long term effects disregard those because that doesn't count as evidence. Don't think about the fact that long-term studies are never conducted.

Never look at the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System data there is no reason it exists it's all useless anecdotal information that you shouldn't use when examining a potential causal link between vaccines and the reported adverse events.

All hail our scientific bureaucratic overlords!

You are quitting early on this

thread......kind of like you quit early on spelling and grammar. Not to mention being scared of liberty. May as well quit that movement too, huh?

Here's a doctor's quote in a news article

Mainstream news out of Australia:

Vaccine a dud, says city doctor

http://www.qt.com.au/story/2011/12/02/vaccine-a-dud-says-cit...

2nd December 2011 - A WHOOPING cough epidemic is sweeping Australia and according to one Ipswich doctor the current vaccine is the reason why.

Ipswich Medical Centre GP Paul Curson said many of the people he had treated during this epidemic were fully immunised, suggesting the vaccine was failing to protect people.

So far this year 490 cases of Pertussis (whooping cough) have been reported in the West Moreton Health Services District, up from 436 last year but far in excess of the 50 cases in 2007.

Dr Carson, a veteran of 30 years as a GP, said the current vaccine was simply not doing its job.

"The vaccine is no good, we're seeing whooping cough in people that shouldn't really have it," Dr Curson said.

"It is showing up in kids that have been vaccinated."

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I know first hand thats what happened in SoCal

My son's best friend was the first reported child to come down with whooping cough. He had been vaccinated the year before. Obviously, it failed.

You combine that with a lot parents refusing to vaccinate their children which is predominate in SoCal and you've got yourself an outbreak.

What should have happened: The parents of those children who are NOT vaccinated should have been notified and mandated to keep their children home until the issue subsided. That is the rule but did anyone enforce it? Nope!

It never ceases to amaze me

how often I hear that un-vaccinated children put the rest at risk. If my neighbor has vaccinated their child for pertussis, whooping cough, aren't they protected? Even my daughter's school has told us that if there is an outbreak, she cannot attend school because she would put other kids at risk. This logic makes me wonder, why do they push vaccines and follow up by scaring vaccinated kids that they are at risk by being around unvaccinated children. ??(never use the word immunization - it is NOT synonomous with being innoculated)

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Most people around me don't know what inoculation means so I..

...didn't mean to offend by using vaccinate.

I beg to question how is one supposed to protect their uninoculated children if there's an outbreak? ....like what happened with whooping cough and small pox? I would think a parent would likely keep their child home, right?

Am I being voted down because public school safety protocol was ignored and used the dreaded word "mandate". Well it does concern safety guys. People die from these diseases. Even if you were to put your uninoculated kid in a private school with like children and one came down with small pox would you continue to take your kid to school knowing this? If it was 5 kids, 15?

But it is obviously

synonymous with INDOCTRINATION.

Here's a great article by Dr. Russell Blaylock on herd-immunity

Most of us would agree that so-called herd-immunity created by vaccines is a complete scam. They have ZERO proof to back up this claim. There are large pockets of unvaccinated communities all over this nation and NO death-and-destruction is taking place.

Here is Dr. Russel Blaylock's masterpiece on this topic:

Forced Vaccinations, Government, and the Public Interest

http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2010/01/29/forced-vaccinat...

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Comments on this page (from

Comments on this page (from you DPers) exposes your ignorance of the role of Vaccination in the prevention of disease in a population.

The pertussis vaccine has been withheld from many children in the past 10 years because of the fraud perpetrated by Dr. Westfield. As a results many children we not immunized from Pertussis (Whooping Cough). This leads to epidemics of the disease within the population of unimmunized and even puts the immunized population at risk due to the loss of "herd Immunity" protection.

If you have questions about Immunization then as your Physician. Family Physicians encourage immunizations because it is a cost effect method of reducing the onset and severity of many diseases.

I am a Family Physician and supporter of idividual libery, but understand the reality of illness and population health.

There are members of the population who CANNOT get certain vaccines due to chonic diseases (HIV...) or if they have had transplants and are on chronic immune suppression to prevent rejection. Children with certain cancers also cannot recieve all vaccines.

Those who can get the vaccine assist with achieving the 90% vaccination rate which helps establish herd immunity so the individuals that CANNOT recieve the vaccine benefit from protection so they won't get SICKER.

Public schools are beholden to the public good and as such must protect their students. Part of this would be to protect the students under their charge from the misguided actions of the parents of other.

Polio, Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Pertussis, Pneumococcal Meningitis, Influenza, Chicken Pox are all vaccine preventable diseases that citizens of the US generally have not had to watch children die or be paralyzed by the thousands for more than 50 years so we tend not to be concerned. However, the reason we don't see these dying children in the PICU is because the vast majority of parents provide the immunzations to their children.

Do physicians make a lot of money on Vaccines... NO!!! It is actually net loss of money. We provide vaccines even though is cost the clinic between $2 and $25 per vaccine to administer. Why do we do this? Because we don't like seeing children suffer needlessly..

From a financial standpoint, I make more money caring for sick children and the Well child visit so if I were financially motivated I would not offer the flu vaccine, but take care of the child in the hospital, on a ventilator for 2-3 days. Much better for my bottom line..

So.... My 2 girls are up to date immunizations. They will get the Human Papilloma vaccine at 11 years of age because I have removed cervical cancer from 20 year old women (even before a typical PAP would have been performed).

Not everything government related organizations require is because they are trying to control people.

oh Ya... Anyone ever seen a case of small pox.... No because the vaccination program eliminated the disease from humans.

Dr. KAF, DO
LT/MC/USN

You are totally brainwashed

into believing what you have just posted. You probably went to college for many years to have your brain turned to the mush that it is today. You probably believe that it is amazing that a child can be born at home instead of a hospital. You probably would be floored to hear that most vaccinated children are regulars at the doctors office while unvaccinated rarely, if ever, are at the doctor. You would probably mess yourself to learn that during the Bubonic Plague there were some communities that had only a miniscule percentage of infection and the idea of vaccination wasn't even thought of back then.

You wholeheartedly believe that the world is a better place because of your practice. That's fine with me but keep you voodoo to yourself. When the new big outbreak of whatever occurs you and your vaccinated family will perish due to your experimentation with your bodies while mine will live on to propagate a more intelligent future.

Good day

I listen

to my politiciuns and they telleded me that if we don kill those people who hate Israle we are going to get hit with a nuke from iran. Scerry I thout. So I will vote for Frothy. I know the rest of you DP'ers are voting for Ron Paul you crazies. Pray to God for the total state please. The experts say thats the only way.

You have just shown your incomplete knowledge

You have just shown your incomplete knowledge of vaccines and the detrimental impacts they can have on health. There are mountains of evidence that vaccines actually weaken the immune systems of many, especially if too many are given to an individual too early in their development, causing them to be miserably ill throughout their lives. Countless doctors have come out against vaccines and can support their positions.

I suggest you do much more research on the subject before putting down others and touting your credentials. I have had many experiences with doctors who where completely and hopelessly ignorant, arrogant and inept to the point of being reckless and dangerous. So the "Dr." does not impress me.

A factoid: Most of the longest lived cultures on Earth (people who live in "blue" zones) do not have access to doctors and pharmaceuticals. This, along with a diet high in minerals and low in carbs, is thought to be why they are so healthy and live so long. The Hunzakut people are an excellent example.

Resist the temptation to feed the trolls.

Anecdote is very different

Anecdote is very different than evidence

Aphelion27

Please get and read the book 'Gut and Psychology Syndrome' by Natasha Campbell-McBride.

Resist the temptation to feed the trolls.

i had to stop reading your sheit at

"If you have questions about Immunization then as your Physician."

yes, i will definitely AS my physician.

oh and the english in the sentence that included "children we not immunized from Pertussis"......oh MAN!......was that good!

really, that fact that you're indoctrinated into believing in vaccinations and that they hold nothing negative for humans is telling enough. the fact that you can't even spell check is another story. the status quo called and told me to tell you "thanks" for the boost in confidence.

by the way....."you DPers"?????
then just wtf are you?!?!

WOW

Cinco

by the way....."you DPers"?????
then just wtf are you?!?!

That was a really good catch. It went right over my head.
Thanks for pointing it out.

Here's an article I wrote concerning vaccines causing mutations

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In this article, I compile numerous mainstream examples of vaccines causing mutations which are endangering mankind:

Are vaccines causing mutations, creating a similar problem as antibiotics?

http://www.polkmoms.com/forum/topics/are-vaccines-causing-mu...

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Beautiful job, America Loves, keep the education coming

+1

"Man must evolve for all human conflict a method which rejects revenge, aggression and retaliation. The foundation of such a method is love." - MLK -

And not to toot my horn (but to educate)

Here are several of my compilations and articles many of you may find useful:

Compilation of mistaken vaccines given in spite of exemptions and other vaccine errors

http://www.polkmoms.com/forum/topics/compilation-of-mistaken

Various graphs that PROVE vaccination didn't save us from polio, measles, mumps, etc

http://www.polkmoms.com/forum/topics/various-graphs-that-prove

Can the government and pharm empire be trusted? (A compilation of conflicts-of-interest and unethical trials)

http://www.dailypaul.com/176546/can-the-government-and-pharm...

From 1920 book - "Compulsory Vaccination Condemned by Our Courts as Unconstitutional"

http://www.dailypaul.com/148997/from-1920-book-compulsory-va...

Are vaccines causing mutations, creating a similar problem as antibiotics?

http://www.polkmoms.com/forum/topics/are-vaccines-causing-mu...

Regarding vaccines, we were told these things with a straight-face by experts and officials

http://www.dailypaul.com/194235/regardng-vaccine-injuries-we...

Herd immunty from vaccines is nothing more than vaccine quotas

http://www.polkmoms.com/forum/topics/herd-immunty-from-vacci...

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I can provide proof that the vaccine is ineffective

Here's a collection I put together using mainstream news stories and mainstream scientific studies which prove the vaccine is a complete failure:

A collection of mainstream news reports and studies exploding the whooping cough vaccine myth

http://www.dailypaul.com/167931/a-collection-of-mainstream-n...

There's one news article in that collection alone which explains a major reason why this particular vaccine (and ALL vaccines) are fundamentally flawed. They are causing mutations in the viruses and bacteria of which they purport to defend against. You can't kill everything on earth to create health. You must make yourself healthy to defend against invaders:

Whooping cough strain now immune to vaccine

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/whooping-cough-strain-...

The bacteria that causes whooping cough has mutated, eroding the protection provided by the vaccine now given to children, scientists warned yesterday. Our findings suggest that the use of the acellular vaccine may be one factor contributing to these genetic changes."

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What about

Parapertussis? There is no vaccine for that. They also play this neat rick and Dx the unvaccinated that have bronchitis as whooping cough and the vaccinated with bronchitis.

There are diagnostic criteria

There are diagnostic criteria for Whooping Cough...

Maybe you should see a physician instead of a nurse practitioner or Physician Assistant next time.

I never see

the nurse practitioner, or Physician Assistants. Most people don't have a choice. Gotta keep those ten minute appts moving
and on time.

What are you're symptoms? OK, here take this prescription.

That is basically the healthcare we have in this country.

Correction, we have sick care, not healthcare.

I am sure that you are very frustrated at times Doc. I'm sure that you would love to practice medicine again someday.

The way I see it you are not bound anymore by your oath First Do No harm, but by the medical standards of care. The first is a calling, motivated and controlled by conscience and the second is a paradigm, motivated and controlled by money.

I don't need a Ph.D to know the difference.

I'm sure there are diagnostic criteria

However nothing could beat a nasal swab as definitive proof. Something they never do.

Diagnostic criteria? Like the DSM manual for mental illness.

So I will address the Second

So I will address the Second link first.

Here is the source document (Thanks for quoting Main Stream Media instead of the results of the actual research without the editorializing.... /end sarcasm)

http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/16/2/08-1707_article.htm

2 Mutations of the B. Pertussis bacteria were identified with increasing prevalence in Australia and other countries. The conclusion of the research is that this may be due to selection pressure from the acellular vaccine (ACV in the article). This change from broad antigen vaccine to the ACV occurred because of public pressure regarding side effects of the vaccine, so a more targeted vaccine was developed to reduce side effects and improve vaccination rates. So now we placed a selection pressure on strains of Pertussis less effected by the immunity set up from the ACV...

Make your own conclusions about whether this is an unintended consequence of policy.

What about the first link here...

Lots of MSM links there with anectodal case reports... Certainly worth looking into, and possible that the pertussis vaccine has lost some effectiveness. There is no information on the specific strains of Pertussis isolated in many of these cases. Do any of these articles support not getting the vaccine, or do they show that the vaccine should be expanded to cover more variants. I would argue an expansion. Also, even though a patient of mine is fully vaccinated (as most of my patient are), I still don't rule out pertussis in my children with 2 weeks of cough and I will draw for a culture to ID the organism. However, common things being common, I will treat of more common causes of chronic cough.. Parents STOP SMOKING, trial of PPI for the likely GERD. Consider allergy treatmens for the PND that can cause cough.

Thanks for the links,

Dr. KAF, DO
LT/MC/USN

Here's what was happening when we had the FULL spectrum

Here's what was commonly happening when the full spectrum of pertussis was targeted with the old vaccine (not that those strains wouldn't have mutated also eventually):

In an interview with FOX 26 News, Steve Degner says Kristen started having seizures after her second DPT vaccine, then retarded

http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/health/110125-vagus-nerve-st...

Excerpts: By two years of age, Kristen was running around like any typical toddler. Her father says her vocabulary was more like that of a 5th grader. In an interview with FOX 26 News, Steve Degner says Kristen started having seizures after her second DPT vaccine, which is required by the state of Texas. ‎"It was a bad lot. A week after (the shot), we noticed Kristen, at 18-months or two years old, her eyes started rolling in the back of her head," explains Degner. Soon after that, Kristen was diagnosed with mental retardation and regressed quickly. She has never spoken a word since. Steve Degner says if he had to do it all over again, he would still get his daughter vaccinated. He says something like this tragedy is extremely rare and he still believes the benefits of vaccines far outweigh the risks.

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Anecdote No physiologic basis

Anecdote

No physiologic basis for the claim that DPT causes seizure disorder.

Coincidence does exist and in any population a certain percentage of children with have an isolated seizure.

Children aged 6months to 5 years who develop fever will have a febrile seizure (Benign)

Did this child have a febrile seizure? Probably not since she seems to have some lasting effects of the seizure. Probable that the seizure was a manifestation of something else going on. I would assume imaging was completed to assess the brain. I would be interested in the lesion causing her symptoms and if this lesion has been linked to a vaccine.

ALR, I applaud your dilegence on keeping people informed of vaccines. I agree that there are risks. My research into the field while in Medical school showed the evidence of benefit far outweighs the risk for the general population. If a parent does not vaccinate their children then I continue to encourage them to do so and try to address their specific concerns. If a child had a bad outcome from a vaccine that I personally recommended, I would feel AWFUL?

I hear a lot of anti medical system venom on this thread. I don't know of any physician who went into the field for the money. Between my wife and I, we have 300k in student loans for medical school. No including the lost opportunity of 4 years of medical school and 3 years of Residency training. We currenly earn a little more than we did as a family before starting Medical school, but prices for everything have gone up. We sacrifice leasure time, time with our children. When we come home, we discuss our challenging cases with each other (leaving out personally identifing information of course) to get a different perspective. I spend hours every week reading journals and looking up information about patient I saw during the week. I call patients back to see how they are doing while I am at the grocery store.
I really feel like I am trying to help.

I have 5 RP2012 signs in my yard. Have place 7 along the side of the road on my commute. I keep 2 copies of Liberty Defined on my desk and 1 in my exam room. I can't wear a RP button due to uniform requirements. I have started at least 1 conversation a week for the last 4 years with "Are you read to join the Revolution?" and have upped that to 1-2 times a week.
I have donated to every Money Bomb, even the infamous 6 million dollar MB (when I was a medical student and had to borrow every penny I had)...

So.. There are very few on this site than can question my dedication to the cause of liberty nor American.

And yes, my grammar sucks and I misspell words sometimes. But I can deliver a baby, resuscitate that baby (APGAR 8/9 thankfully), Intubate someone that can't breath, put a chest tube in to reinflate a lung, and optimize medical management of a 63 year old having chest pain)... I did these things while reading and commenting on this thread....

/end Rant..

Dr. KAF

Thanks,
Dr. KAF, DO
LT/MC/USN

I understand your reasoning but your statement+

"Not everything government related organizations require is because they are trying to control people." is a contradiction. If government is mandating it or penalizing people then yes they are controlling people. That is unethical and immoral and ignores our civil liberties. The right way is to try and educate and present unbiased information about vaccination options and not hide the truth about the failures or side effects. So most of what you write is helpful, but the idea that government intervention is ok does not follow from what you say. The ends do not justify the means.

Fair statement, I was

Fair statement, I was referring to the Knee jerk reaction I saw in this thread regarding requiring vaccinations is bad because it is required...

However, If you are going to voluntarily participate in the public school system then obey the rules of the system or take them out of the system.

The real issue is when the government has the monopoly on education (through the Department of education) then they can make the rules.

Also, the issues of why don't parent voluntarily take actions to prevent these diseases?

Don't forget the personal liberty also requires personal responsibility not to infringe on other's rights or accept the consequences of your choices.

Let us also keep in mind the difference between federal and local governments as well as school boards..

Local school boards dictating immunization schedules being required for participation in the public school system is within the "property rights" of the property owners (the local government, school board).

The Dept of ed dictating what the local school board does with their property is not OK.

What if you give your child a vaccine and it gets my child sick?

What if the virus you knowingly put in your child makes my child sick, what then? http://articles.latimes.com/2011/feb/09/opinion/la-oe-orent-...