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THEY are coming after your unvaccinated kids (A compilation)

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Here is yet another compilation I felt compelled to begin. Remember, the following list will grow larger and larger, unfortunately:

Tougher laws considered for unvaccinated students

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700180628/Tougher-laws-co...

SACRAMENTO, Calif. — Lawmakers say they will consider tougher requirements for schools that have been defying state law by letting students who cannot prove they have had the whooping cough vaccine remain on campus.

Students being allowed to attend school without the inoculation put the rest of the community at risk, said state Assemblyman Dan Logue, R-Chico, vice chairman of his chamber's health committee.

"Due to the health risk, we might look at some type of legislation to encourage schools," he said. "The bottom line is we need to find more teeth than the mandate.

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Anti-vaccine movement endangers entire populations, not just individuals

http://www.medcitynews.com/2011/09/anti-vaccine-movement-end...

"Dr. Poland suggests that vaccine denialist propaganda does a public disservice, and recommends that it may be time to consider legislating vaccinations for the public good, and to protect vulnerable members of the population. He notes that while anti-vaccination movements call for more research, continued investigation into vaccine safety ’ particularly with regard to the well-established MMR vaccine ’ represents a misallocation of limited research dollars, because of the incredible scientific consensus regarding vaccine safety."

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Parents home-school to avoid vaccinating their kids

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2008-10-21-home-school-v...

"Lance Rodewald, director of the CDC's Immunization Services Division, says the measles outbreaks show a problem with state policies allowing home-schooled children to escape vaccines."

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Utah state legislator wants to impose fees on the unvaccinated

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/51831839-78/outbreak-measl...

Instead of an outright ban on personal exemptions, Moss is considering imposing a fee on families who choose to skip shots. The fee — similar to taxes on other health nuisances, such as cigarettes — could be used to fund outbreak containment efforts, she said.

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Not vaccinated? Not acceptable: David Ropeik

http://www.cleveland.com/opinion/index.ssf/2011/07/not_vacci...

There are many potential solutions, each fraught with pros and cons and details that require careful thought and open democratic discussion.

• Perhaps it should be harder to opt out of vaccination. (Twenty-one states allow parents to decline vaccination of their children simply for "philosophical" reasons; 48 allow a religious exemption, but few demand documentation from parents to support claims that their faith precludes vaccination.)

• Perhaps there should be higher health care and insurance costs for unvaccinated people, or "healthy behavior" discounts for people who do get vaccinated, paid for from what society saves by avoiding the spread of disease.

• There could be restrictions on the community and social activities in which unvaccinated people can participate, like lengthy school trips for kids, etc.

This is not about creating more government to intrude further into our lives. This is about calling on government to do what it's there for in the first place: to protect us from the actions of others when, as individuals, we can't protect ourselves. It is appropriate, and urgent, that we act to protect public health from those whose choices about vaccines are putting the rest of us at risk: We make them stop.

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AMA POSITION - H-440.970 Religious Exemptions from Immunizations

Statement by these crooks (which has since been removed from their site):

Since religious/philosophic exemptions from immunizations endanger not only the health of the unvaccinated individual, but also the health of those in his or her group and the community at large, the AMA (1) encourages state medical associations to seek removal of such exemptions in statutes requiring mandatory immunizations; (2) encourages physicians and state and local medical associations to work with public health officials to inform religious groups and others who object to immunizations of the benefits of vaccinations and the risk to their own health and that of the general public if they refuse to accept them; and (3) encourages state and local medical associations to work with public health officials to develop contingency plans for controlling outbreaks in exempt populations and to intensify efforts to achieve high immunization rates in communities where groups having religious exemptions from immunizations reside. (CSA Rep. B, A-87; Reaffirmed: Sunset Report, I-97; Reaffirmed: CSAPH Rep. 3, A-07)

Here's a screenshot of this AMA policy from their website:

http://i565.photobucket.com/albums/ss99/LakelandRainBarrels/...

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Public Health Risk Seen as Parents Reject Vaccines

http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080321...

....the number of exemptions worries many health officials and experts. They say that vaccines have saved countless lives, and that personal-belief exemptions are potentially dangerous and bad public policy because they are not based on sound science.

“If you have clusters of exemptions, you increase the risk of exposing everyone in the community,” said Dr. Omer, who has extensively studied disease outbreaks and vaccines.

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Here's a video commentary I just found by Paul Offit which will send chills down everyone's spine and make your brain hurt with his "logic" of how he intends to discredit vaccine exemptions:

'Vaccine Exemptions'? Call Them What They Really Are

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/768746

‎(Quote): "A second way people can exempt themselves from vaccines are the so-called philosophical or personal belief exemptions. Twenty states allow that kind of exemption. I would argue that these exemptions are misnamed. First of all, th
e notion that vaccines are a "philosophy" is inaccurate. Philo means love, sophos means wisdom. Exactly where is the wisdom in saying that it is better not to get vaccines than to get them?"

‎(Quote): "The third way one can exempt oneself from vaccines are so-called religious exemptions. Forty-eight states have them. I would argue this also does not make a lot of sense. The first vaccine was Edward Jenner's vaccine in 1796. The
New Testament was written around 100 AD, the Old Testament between 1400 and 400 BC, and the Qur'an around 600 AD. All those texts were written well before vaccines existed, so not surprisingly, they never mention or predict them. I also would argue that it does not make sense to say, "It is my religious belief that a child not get a vaccine," and therefore a child should be left with less protection under the law. The 14th Amendment of the Constitution, the so-called Equal Protection Clause, states that a child or anyone should be equally protected and implies that this is independent of a parent's belief system. If the child is exposed to harm, that child should have equal protection. For example, if a Jehovah's Witness parent says, "I do not want my child to get a lifesaving blood transfusion," the parent does not have the freedom of religion to practice that because of the 14th Amendment."

(Quote): "I think we should call these exemptions what they really are. Let's not sugarcoat this choice. We should call them the "I do not want to get vaccines because I have read a lot of scary things about vaccines and I am afraid that t
hey might hurt my child, and I am not so sure I believe in pharmaceutical companies or the medical establishment or the government, so I do not want my child to get them" vaccine exemption. That would be, I think, more honest."

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Out of Australia:

No vaccine, no school, says AMA chief

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/no-vaccine-no-s...

(Excerpts): Unvaccinated children should be held back from school and groups spreading anti-vaccination messages should be punished, according to the federal president of the Australian Medical Association.

Dr Steve Hambleton said a report released on Thursday detailing national immunisation rates raised concerns about parents in certain areas not following vaccination guidelines.

''We should certainly make it difficult for [unvaccinated] children to get to school,'' said Steve Hambleton, responding to new national statistics on immunisation rates.

''And we should certainly have plans available to send all those children home if there are outbreaks.''

''These are parents who have got information, good information available and yet they are not vaccinating their children,'' Dr Hambleton said. ( oh so true, but not how HE meant it)

There is also a worrying undercurrent of vaccine objectors who believe conspiracy websites and reject public health guidelines.

These vaccine objectors ''should be ashamed of themselves'' for spreading misinformation and should be sanctioned, Dr Hambleton said.

''We need to look at the groups providing those anti-vaccination messages and we need to make sure we stop them . . . They are putting the community in danger.''

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Editorial: Time to stop keeping kids immune from jab

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/time-to-stop-keeping-kids-i...

(Excerpts): In the past the campaigns have concentrated on making vaccination compulsory, but unfortunately successive governments have not had the stomach for it. Our ‘‘ No Jab, No Play’’ campaign is focusing its effort on specific initiatives to encourage more parents to vaccinate.

We are calling on the state government to allow childcare centres to ban children who have not been vaccinated. And we are calling on the federal government to withhold the childcare rebate from every parent who fails to immunise.

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Bioethicist says parents who don't vaccinate should face liability for consequences

http://www.pri.org/stories/health/bioethicist-says-parents-w...

(Excerpt):

A doctor and medical ethicist (Art Caplan)says parents who choose not to vaccinate their children should be liable, in the form of lawsuits, for anyone who becomes sick from their child. He argues parents should have the right to not vaccinate, but they should also expect to be sued if their child gets someone else sick.

"If your kid gets the measles, and remember public health officials are getting very very good at tracing outbreaks to their source, and makes my kid sick (can happen since vaccine is not 100 percent effective), my newborn baby die (newborns can’t benefit from vaccines) or my wife miscarry (fetuses are at especially high risk), then shouldn’t I be able to sue you for the harm you have done?"

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The bottom

line is that these people believe in the total state. They don't care about anything other than the state having total control of the whole population of the earth. If they have to imprison, maim, or murder the non-conformists, so be it. They are Gods among men and THEY will protect the whole earth from the dissenters who believe in liberty. They are the opposite of Bastiat. They believe liberty, not government, is the great fiction.

This is sick! No pun intended.

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confused

Can someone tell me the logic behind the belief that non-vaccinated people are a danger and a risk to others?

The real danger and risk

Is to the vaccine manufacturers' profits.

But the story goes that "herd" immunity is necessary for vaccines to work within the population. This is a dubious assumption which has no real-world valid scientific data to support it.

In the interest of full disclosure, I have a vaccine injured child.

Herd Immunity?

Can it be any clearer to us that they think were cattle?

The schools/states lose federal money when the quota falls

The quota level just HAPPENS to be the same as the so-called 'herd immunity' level.

So therefore, the states and schools - when you hear them quack about keeping up the herd-immunity-percentage with vaccines - keep in mind what they are REALLY saying is that they don't want to lose federal funding.

Take a look at my article posted just above. It contains proof of this.

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Take a look at this information I posted regarding herd immunity

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It's a complete SCAM.

Herd immunty from vaccines is nothing more than vaccine quotas

http://www.polkmoms.com/forum/topics/herd-immunty-from-vacci...

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injury

Is the injury from the mercury in thimerosal?

If so, I would suggest googling Andrew Cutler's protocol for mercury detoxification. You can also look at Dietrich Klinghardt's website.

Hard to say

I've looked back through all of his vaccine records and don't see anything except ones w/aluminum, perhaps traces of thimerosal. I've investigated Cutler's protocol and used to have the book but loaned it to someone who never returned it. It's a good system, though, the best for heavy metal detox.

My son's most notable injury came when he was three years old. He received his first MMR/Varicella vax's (along w/two non-live boosters) in one go in a "catch-up" visit at his pedi's office. A couple of days later, I looked up to see him furiously flapping his hands and jumping. He couldn't control himself. He lost all of his potty training he'd learned up to then, and a lot of his verbal language. I took him back to his pedi and she brushed it off. Looking back, that was when he probably started having partial seizures, but I didn't know any better. He still has simple partial seizures but his neuro agrees with me that it's better not to medicate him for them right now.

Cutler

Here are 2 good webpages that summarize Cutler's protocol pretty well.

You should give it a try.

http://recoveringnicholas.com/2009/04/29/andy-cutlers-chelat...

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/Andy_dose_sched.html

Thorne Research sells DMSA - called Captomer.
They also sell Lipoic acid.

Thanks!

I'll check them out! :)

Eat dirt

Seriously, an old immunization technique was to eat a handful of soil occasionally.

Thanx,

Jason

You can't get clean in a dirty bathtub.

Vaccines

are big business.

Money is their god.

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

All you "free riders" - this guy wants YOU sued for liability

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CHOICES SHOULD HAVE CONSEQUENCES:
FAILURE TO VACCINATE, HARM TO OTHERS,
AND CIVIL LIABILITY
Douglas S. Diekema

http://www.michiganlawreview.org/assets/fi/107/diekema.pdf

Introduction
A parent’s decision not to vaccinate a child may place others at risk if the child becomes infected and exposes others to the disease. Should an individual harmed by an infection transmitted from a child whose parents chose to forgo vaccination have a negligence claim against those parents? While I do not hold a legal degree and therefore cannot speak directly to issues of law, as a physician and ethicist it seems to me that the basic elements that comprise negligence claims—harm, duty, breach of duty, and causation—are met in some cases where parents forgo vaccination.

Conclusion

I have argued that vaccine-preventable diseases can cause significant harm to infected individuals, that parents have a duty to take reasonable steps to avoid having their children spread infectious diseases to others, that failure to vaccinate an eligible child constitutes a breach of that duty, and that failure to vaccinate a child can be a proximate cause of harm to another. I recognize that negligence law may introduce important nuances into my analysis, but I would also argue that justice might demand that a tort remedy be available in this situation. If an ethical basis for tort liability exists, it resides in providing a mechanism by which someone who is made worse off by the careless or self-serving actions of another can claim recompense for that harm. Negligence law recognizes that persons should be accountable for their decisions and actions when those decisions and actions unreasonably place others in harm’s way. A parent whose child suffers brain damage, death, or disability as a result of contact with another child whose parents chose to forgo vaccination has been harmed unfairly. While the current system in the United States has a publicly funded mechanism for compensating those injured as a result of vaccine side effects, there is no corresponding public mechanism to guarantee that a child harmed by an unvaccinated child will receive the medical care, services, and support necessary. The best mechanism for justice in this situation may be the tort system. It would be unreasonable for those who have made good-faith efforts to participate in the vaccination program to suffer harm at the hands of those who have not, without some mechanism for recompense.

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Too bad

this guys argument is so one sided. How about the injury from the vaccine our kids are forced to take. Who pays that price?

They stacked the deck against the vaccine injured with that joke called VICA.

From the AMA:

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Should Participation in Vaccine Clinical Trials be Mandated?

http://virtualmentor.ama-assn.org/2012/01/pfor1-1201.html

It's hard to find an excerpt from this article because the entire article is so completely appalling.

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If progression of promising vaccines from the lab to the clinic is to remain unaffected and financial inducement is an ethically unacceptable solution to the recruitment shortage, other strategies need to be considered. Compulsory involvement in vaccine studies is one alternative solution that is not as outlandish as it might seem on first consideration. Many societies already mandate that citizens undertake activities for the good of society; in several European countries registration for organ-donation has switched from “opt-in” (the current U.S. system) to “opt-out” systems (in which those who do not specifically register as nondonors are presumed to consent to donation) [10], and most societies expect citizens to undertake jury service when called upon. In these examples, the risks or inconvenience to an individual are usually limited and minor. Mandatory involvement in vaccine trials is therefore perhaps more akin to military conscription, a policy operating today in 66 countries. In both conscription and obligatory trial participation, individuals have little or no choice regarding involvement and face inherent risks over which they have no control, all for the greater good of society.

As ever, then, the debate boils down to a consideration of the “greater good” or the “lesser evil.” A key consideration is the risk benefit ratio—risk to the individual volunteer balanced against the benefit to society. Society is unlikely to accept compulsory recruitment to a trial for a vaccine against the common cold if the vaccine causes severe complications in vaccinees. Increase the severity of the disease in question, however, and compulsory recruitment becomes a more palatable option.

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Did I just read what I thought I read?!?

Increase the severity of the disease in question, however, and compulsory recruitment becomes a more palatable option.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know Peace." - Jimi Hendrix

Take a look at this similarly eerie quote

The above quote is similary scary as this one: The following quote is by Anthony S. Fauci of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases:

"People's enthusiasm will depend largely on what they see happening around them," Fauci said. "If we get into the fall season and we don't see an explosion of cases, people will be less enthusiastic. If they see a lot of young people and kids getting sick, people will be very enthusiastic about getting vaccinated."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08...

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Yes, you DID read that correctly...and I didn't even notice that

....before.

I am the one who started this crazy thread and I can't believe I never caught that portion of that quote before. I am going to go post that quote over at Dr. Tenpenny's Facebook page:

http://www.facebook.com/vaccineinfo?v=wall

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Police state vaccination tactics

Vaccine Pusher Sicks CPS, State Trooper on Mom

http://www.prisonplanet.com/vaccine-pusher-sicks-cps-state-t...

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Video interview with this mom:

Rachel Garmon: Doctor Calls Police, CPS on Me For Refusing to Vaccinate My Son 1_3 -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NM-phJ2BaY

Rachel Garmon: Doctor Calls Police, CPS on Me For Refusing to Vaccinate My Son 2_3 -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWE_eWr-kRk

Rachel Garmon: Doctor Calls Police, CPS on Me For Refusing to Vaccinate My Son 3_3 -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRGWWeUE0Xc

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Mandated Vaccinations

....am bumping as this is one of the most important issues out there if we want healthy clear thinking patriots down the road. If you are not informed, learn what the pharmas with Congress approval (due to their dirty lobby money) are getting away with.

Did you know that the most ardent advocates against mandated vaccinations are college educated or higher? If you are a grandparent, parent or plan to have children someday...THIS IS A FIGHT worth fighting. It is a war on our children.

There should be a huge coalition for Ron Paul from this group as he will stop the mandates in the name of liberty and a parents' right to decide what is best for their child.
Act before it is too late.

fonta

Yes, indeed, VACCINATIONS SHOULD HV BN A TOPIC TONIGHT

FOR THE DEBATES!

And, having a DOCTOR ANSWER LIKE RON PAUL WOULD BE SO GOOD TO HEAR~~~

But, CNN & MSM's will not ask it.

And, we're grandparents of a vaccine-injured child in CALIFORNIA!!! I want RP to be our President...I really, really do.

I would argue that this is a

I would argue that this is a bad topic for Dr. Paul to cover. As a non-vax mom, I'm considered a kook by a LARGE majority of my peers. The vax argument has been so drilled into people's heads that they can't understand AT ALL why anyone wouldn't vaccinate. The good doc telling the truth about vaccines just plays into people thinking he is a kook conspiracy theorist. The argument needs to be saved for AFTER he wins.

Here's a video of Dr. Paul commenting about vaccines

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According to this, he's not fully anti-vax, but he believes too many are given now:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f74xvtRijMc

And by the way, if anyone wants to see the comparison between the 1983 and 2010 vaccine schedules, you may be shocked to know that the schedule has almost quadrupled since the 80s. Can you say 'toxic overload'?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_7lwCgCrwvCA/TTSa5VE244I/AAAAAAAABJ...

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Thanks for the information on vaccines

Will read it later.

GEAUX RON PAUL 2012.

Does your state have forced-vaccination/quarantine law?

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This is Florida's version of the Model State Emergency Health Powers Act. Please pay close attention to Section 4(b) at the very bottom within the next post below.

http://laws.flrules.org/files/Ch_2002-269.pdf

I quote from this piece of legislation:

381.0011 Duties and powers of the Department of Health.—It is the duty of the Department of Health to:

(6) Declare, enforce, modify, and abolish quarantine of persons, animals, and premises as the ci rcumstances indicate for controlling communicable diseases or providing protection from unsafe conditions that pose a threat to public health, except as provided in ss. 384.28 and 392.545-392.60.

(a) The department shall adopt rules to specify the conditions and procedures for imposing and releasing a quarantine. The rules must include provisions related to:

1. The closure of premises.

2. The movement of persons or animals exposed to or infected with a communicable disease.

3. The tests or prophylactic treatment, including vaccination, for communicable disease required prior to employment or admission to the premises or to comply with a quarantine.

7. Methods of quarantine.

(b) Any health regulation that restricts travel or trade within the state may not be adopted or enforced in this state except by authority of the department.

The State Health Officer, upon declaration of a public health emergency, may take actions that are necessary to protect the public health. Such actions include, but are not limited to:

4. Ordering an individual to be examined, tested, vaccinated, treated, or quarantined for communicable diseases that have significant morbidity or mortality and present a severe danger to public health. Individuals who are unable or unwilling to be examined, tested, vaccinated or treated for reasons of health, religion or conscience may be subjected to quarantine.

a. Examination, testing, vaccination, or treatment may be performed by any qualified person authorized by the State Health Officer.

b. If the individual poses a danger to the public health, the State Health Officer may subject the individual to quarantine. If there is no practical method to quarantine the individual, the State Health Officer may use any means necessary to vaccinate or treat the individual.

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When they come for your kids

give 'em lead instead.

These criminals don't sleep....more calling for end to freedoms

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Exemptions to School Immunization Requirements: The Role of School-Level Requirements, Policies, and Procedures

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1449198/

(Excerpt): American society stresses individual freedoms and parental autonomy, but these freedoms may be limited when they directly affect the health of others. States are not constitutionally obligated to offer non-medical exemptions; removal of such exemptions, as recommended by the American Medical Association, may be justified by the increased individual and community risk associated with exemptions.

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If Paul becomes President, HOW CAN HE HELP PARENTS

on this issue?? Anyone?

No use of force!

A Paul Pres. will reinforce the constitutions mandate of protecting the rights of the individual.

The creation, production and fair exchange of values is the business of evolving consciousness, love and life.--Craig Johnson