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Day 185.Occupy Wall Street.Nationwide Military Curfew Still in effect.

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable.”

I'm packing up and heading out. Good luck folks!




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Thanks to Ron Paul,

this past year, we were finally given a partial audit of the Federal Reserve. This applied to their activity in 2008.
Here is what we learned. We learned that the Federal Reserved loaned out $16 trillion. Thats in one year. Keep in mind, that the entire accumulated national debt is just over $14 trillion. And to whom did this money go? Well, banks, including banks that were owned by the
members of the Federal Reserve board. Hmmmm. Nice huh? I guess they were secret for a reason. There were also a number of no bid contracts for companies to handle all of this. Here is a sweet tidbit, $3 trillion went to banks in foreign countries. We Americans are generous people. And oh, I almost forget, numerous corporations received this money too. For example, that big hamburger company, the one who needs federal subsidies? I think they got another $500 million interest free loan from the Federal Reserve.
Okay, who paid for that? Well, nobody. It was money created by the Federal Reserve. But you should really say that everybody paid for it because by increasing the money supply you are diluting its value for the rest of us. You are driving up the cost of wheat. You are causing famine in Africa.
Well, you say, why doesnt somebody say something about this? They are trying. They are camping out on Wall Street. But then, keep in mind, the only way we can really know what is happening is through the news
media. And that big hamburger company advertises in the news media. And one of the companies that got millions of dollars from the Federal Reserve owns one of the television networks.

http://dougwead.wordpress.com/2011/10/03/ron-paul-and-the-oc...

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"Stand up for what you believe in. Even if you stand alone."
~ Sophie Magdalena Scholl
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."
~ Ron Paul
"You must be the change you want to see in the world."
~ Mahatma Gandhi

not sure what all this Occupy stuff is about yet

but I for one am not taking chances. This could turn into a mass uprising of welfare recipients that can't keep up with inflation. Tough to make a living off the backs of fewer workers. They will revolt and this may be the catalyst.

Keep your guns handy and loaded.

That's pretty obvious.

Long story short: A young person recently graduated from college and just starting out in 2011 America has 2 choices: Go to Wall Street and camp out. Or get a job at McDonalds. I think they pay $7.25 an hour.

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"Stand up for what you believe in. Even if you stand alone."
~ Sophie Magdalena Scholl
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."
~ Ron Paul
"You must be the change you want to see in the world."
~ Mahatma Gandhi

this event is not people looking for a collective solution

to their individual problems, it is people looking for individual solutions to a collective problem.

permaculture as the practice of austrian economics would go so far if people came to protests with that state of mind

Whether you think you can or you can't, you're right. -Henry Ford

let me question in summary--

so . . . some on DP think this is a 'free-spirited' gathering of like-minded, disgruntled people who come from different political backgrounds, but are alike 'concerned'?

some on DP believe this 'occupation' has not only already been hijacked but was formed and devised by the enemies of the constitution--

and either way . . .

it's the beginning of some kind of 'end'--?

I don't have MSM; my only exposure to what is going on is on DP--

(or the internet, but I don't sift through the MSM internet stuff, and I find good links on here)--

I'm trying to figure this 'thing' out and summarize it neatly in my jumbled mind--

Thank you--

No, I'm not asking for interpretations; I'll do that myself; I just wonder what people KNOW--

that I don't know . . .

what have *you* (DPers) been watching and seeing and observing that I haven't--

tell me . . .

Thank you.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

This is the best summary I've found so far. I hope it helps.

Occupy Wall Street is an all-out attack on the corporate capitalist agenda that is creating limitless, inordinate wealth for the very few while incrementally impoverishing everyone else.
It is about the power the banksters and the corporate executives wield in the Amerikkkan political system. And if it ever does come to Canada, it will be about the same dire problems.
It is about the growing gap between the super-rich and the rest.
It is about 22 percent real unemplopyment and underemployment; four million families turfed out of their homes by mortgage foreclosures; 51,000 manufacturing plants shut down across Amerikkka and the jobs transferred to low-wage, hassle-free Third World countries; 50 million Americans unable to afford health ; 46 million Americans dependent on food stamps and food banks to get through the month; crippling consumer debt; a collapsing public school system; two offical foreign wars and a handful of unofficial foreign quasi-wars. And it is about millionaires and billionaires paying a lower effective overall tax rate than the poorest of the working class, and the banks and corporations that they control enjoying record low taxes at a time of record high profits while the country goes to hell in a handbasket.
Finally, it is about whether Occupy Wall Street has actually lit that vital spark that will lead the American and Canadian masses the poor, the working class and the middle to unite as one regardless of race, colour, creed, ethnic or national origin, gender, age, sexual orientation or disability and rise up against the common enemy the criminal socioeconomic elite and their puppet political prostitutes.
That is the most important question!
http://www.wriseup.com/?p=4349

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"Stand up for what you believe in. Even if you stand alone."
~ Sophie Magdalena Scholl
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."
~ Ron Paul
"You must be the change you want to see in the world."
~ Mahatma Gandhi

well, thank you--

My family members are divided on this, and I am neutral, I suppose--

I can see how any movement could be hijacked; what is it called--

there is a word that has often been used, something to do with Hegelian.

I don't generally see a "communist" behind every tree, though I often see banksters behind trees--LOL!

But . . . it's hard to say. I can't help but believe, though, that good people WILL wake up, by whatever means, and this could be a vehicle for such an awakening.

I know that in the lower middle class (we sank!) things are very difficult right now; as for my family, everything we did to hedge/protect ourselves is crumbling; we've been very self-sufficient, and our feet are barely on the ground--but I can't imagine where would we be if we hadn't worked our fingers to their little bones or . . . stored the bulk grains, etc.--or gardened extensively, or . . . stayed out of debt--

it's very disappointing--

and yet we stand, sort of. *wink*

I try to keep a finger on the pulse of things--

Thank you--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

As for me,

personally, 1988vote, I am going to support this movement, this revolution, and pray for its success - because it brings me joy and hope.
And knowing that the Kochs' propaganda machine is running full force to show what a horrible premise this movement is sponsoring, I will not be too quick to judge too harshly, a movement that I personally have been hoping for, for over 30 years.

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"Stand up for what you believe in. Even if you stand alone."
~ Sophie Magdalena Scholl
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."
~ Ron Paul
"You must be the change you want to see in the world."
~ Mahatma Gandhi

Capitalism

Capital, incentive to save, accumulate capital

central banking, destroying the value of savings

Life, Money

If you don't play the casino of central banking markets,

you loose

the end of capitalism

Big Bank Corportism

This is sickening

Socialist hell bent on destroying Capitalism are mad as hell and can't take it anymore.

-Woe is me for I have to much student debt
-Woe is me cause I can't get a 50 dollar an hour job
-Woe is me for I have to earn a living
-Woe is me cause I'm not rich
-Woe is me cause the Capitalists are causing global warming
-Woe is me cause they took my job
-Woe is me cause no one will hire me

Jesus tap dancing Christ people.

What happened to hard work and perseverance? What happened to ambition? What happened to drive? I still don't understand what protesting will do about it. If every protester was armed and marching on the white house than only maybe then I would consider joining.

For as we all know. Socialists, Communists, and Fascists hate the citizens owning their own firearms.

But even then I would hesitate. Violence isn't what our R3volution is about.

why am I responding to YOUR post--

I don't like your language, but--

when you say "destroying capitalism" I have to say that I don't know many people on DP or elsewhere who truly believe in personal liberty who can honestly say that capitalism has been able to work very effectively, if at all, for most of the existence of the U.S.--

I believe Dr. Paul himself said once that capitalism had not been allowed to work--or had been crippled for many decades, even a century or more.

But if it helps to blame 'socialists, communists, and fascists' then . . . go ahead.

I don't personally know any of those people--'socialists, communists, and fascists', but I know a lot of Americans who are deeply asleep who like to rant against 'socialists, communists, and fascists'--while crying out for more war and for more loss of freedoms to 'protect' our freedoms--

fwiw--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

they see the injustice

the injustice of seeing CEOs doubling their HUGE capital (mostly stolen through money from government subsidies, tax money), most students have to play the game from the beginning in a world with growing inequality : http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/02/income-inequality-in...

William Banzai7 awesome graphics - Occupy!!!!

This guy is a Ron Paul supporter and an awesome graphic artist and a good writer too.

http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/bridge

700 Arrested on Brooklyn Bridge as Occupy Wall Street Enters Thi

700 Arrested on Brooklyn Bridge as Occupy Wall Street Enters Third Week, Protests Grows

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_xtwbIXfFE

I found this the most interesting point raised in the report

http://www.jpmorganchase.com/corporate/Home/article/ny-13.htm

IMO if you want to understand how things work you simply need to follow the money, who pays, who benefits, etc.

Fat cat

JPMorgan Chase recently donated an unprecedented $4.6 million to the New York City Police Foundation. The gift was the largest in the history of the foundation and will enable the New York City Police Department to strengthen security in the Big Apple.

Very interesting.

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"Stand up for what you believe in. Even if you stand alone."
~ Sophie Magdalena Scholl
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."
~ Ron Paul
"You must be the change you want to see in the world."
~ Mahatma Gandhi

How can that be legal?

People should be allowed to donate to the government, but only generally...and with a maximum amount to prevent favoritism.

In the near future

In the near future, Detroit, Michigan is on the verge of collapse due to financial ruin and unchecked crime. The mega-corporation Omni Consumer Products enters into a contract with the city to run the police force. OCP plans to destroy "Old Detroit" to replace it with the utopia of "Delta City". Recognizing that human law enforcers are insufficient to stop the crime spree, OCP runs several programs to find robotic replacements. As a result, the OCP Chairman opts for a cyborg program, named "RoboCop".

BANGBANGBANGBANG....Thank you for not smoking.

Yeah, I heard about the remake. Could be good.

BTW: It's weird being middle age and seeing all these remakes. I just think "If you want to see RoboCop, go rent RoboCop."

But I have to admit I've enjoyed most remakes.

Absolutely. The best I can

Absolutely.

The best I can strive for is to understand the facts and it is not easy to get the facts in the first place let along understand them. I think the financial facts are of the utmost importance. Who has the wealth, how is that wealth acquired and how is it spent. I can't do very much with vague notions of mysterious wealthy and powerful men and women that are thought to hold the wealthy and power, but are unknown. No, if we are to make any progress let us know the truth of who are the persons in the top 1% and more importantly the top 0.1%, 0.01% and 0.001%. Romney was right about corporations to the extent that all the wealth of corporations lead back to real human beings. It is of utmost importance that we know who those persons are, how much they have and how it is spent, otherwise I think we can be easily misdirected.

As Wall Street protest enters

As Wall Street protest enters 3rd week, movement gains steam nationwide

10.03.11

A spirited and leaderless protest in the Wall Street section of New York has entered its third week, helping to inspire a growing number of demonstrations united in their passion if not necessarily their reasons for hitting the streets.
The hub of the movement, in Lower Manhattan, was abuzz with activity on Sunday as activists continued to vent their frustrations with everything from "corporate greed" to high gas prices to insufficient health insurance.
No single group or person heads the effort, which has adopted the name "Occupy Wall Street." While a "general assembly" is held daily for those gathered - be it for a few short hours or by camping out long-term - to discuss the goings-on and work toward a common mission, the stances being touted currently are diverse.
"We've gathered here in this place to shape a statement of what it is we want, and how we're going to get to it," said Robert Segal, one of the New York protesters.

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/10/02/business/wall-street-prote...

"I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this any more!"
- Howard Beale

The cat...

may be out of the bag now as to the real intentions of those heading this "protest" up. Remember this is just one report from one person in one state. You decide.

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2011/10/report-from-occ...

"For having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged, by better information or fuller consideration, to change opinions, even on important subjects, which I once thought right but found to be otherwise." - Benjamin Franklin

Who is that cat?

It's clear that Mr. Wenzel is offering his own opinion of the bill in a page-by-page analysis that suits his needs. Nowhere does he quote what he has read on the pages he cites, so no one is getting any real information beyond the reality of Wenzel's opinion. He presents his opinion as fact without backing up a single claim. It is almost impossible to rebut his rant because the reader is not privy to the version of the bill against which he is ranting.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=...

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"Stand up for what you believe in. Even if you stand alone."
~ Sophie Magdalena Scholl
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."
~ Ron Paul
"You must be the change you want to see in the world."
~ Mahatma Gandhi

Katherine,

did you read the post that I linked to from EPJ?

If so, I am a little confused how you could have came to the conclusion that you did since 1) Mr. Wenzel didn't "rant" anywhere in it and 2) it was a posting of something in its entirety from an EPJ reader which Mr. Wenzel CLEARLY stated.

And your answer is?

"For having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged, by better information or fuller consideration, to change opinions, even on important subjects, which I once thought right but found to be otherwise." - Benjamin Franklin

We are the 99%

It means WE THE PEOPLE.

Not the Yoos, Pelosis, Roves, Cheneys. Not the AEI and the FBI and the CIA. But the you's and me's. No Kings but Jesus, B.B. King, and Martin Luther King.

Ordinary People.

This country was supposed to be run by Ordinary People. Like you and me. Not a bunch of lawyers and banksters and professional politicians.