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Matt Welch Claims To Be A Libertarian, But,,,

Says negative things about the only Libertarian leaning Republican, Ron Paul.
The Republican leadership can be replaced if they don't back Ron Paul !

You can take that to the bank !

beesting

First of all

Ron is not the only "libertarian-leaning" Republican running. Ever heard of Gary Johnson?

On being a libertarian

I think its to the very core of self identifying as a libertarian that other self identifying libertarians will be skeptical of other truly being a libertarian.

For example, I think of myself as a libertarian, but I am catching flack all the time from other self identifying libertarians on DP. Also, many of my posts are of clips or articles written by self identifying libertarians and yet almost always numerous comments call into question if that person is truly libertarian.

Thoughts?

Thoughts ? What Is A Libertarian ?

My definition, since I voted a straight Libertarian ticket in 1988 is:

The word Libertarian is derived from the word Liberty.
As Patrick Henry said so long ago, in the U.S. Congress of the time; "Give me 'Liberty' or give me death" !

Liberty means freedom from tyranny.

For a real professional opinion, get Republican Ron Paul's book titled, "Liberty defined ".

beesting

I don't find it so simple

Thanks for the reply.

I've read Liberty Defined, you should read some of Ron Paul's other books he has so much wisdom to share, I suggest "The Revolution: A Manifesto".

In practice its not so simple, you have many people who claim they are for liberty, that they are for freedom from tyranny. What I was getting as was the subjective nature of such claims, for if you want to get academic with it, Noam Chomsky and Henry George call themselves libertarians (anarcho syndicalist) and yet they are anti-capitalists. In comparison, names of people you likely much more agree with such as Ron Paul, Walter Block and Lew Rockwell also call themselves libertarians, but hold private property as fundamental and the foundation with which capitalism is based upon.

Everybody Thinks Differently ! Personally, I dislike A label.

I like to think Thomas Jefferson { The founder of the Democratic/Republican party }was a Libertarian thinker, when he wrote this:

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself.
Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all----Thomas Jefferson."

I handed this out at my Ron Paul meet-up group 2 weeks ago, and yes I have a copy of; "The Revolution: A Manifesto", plus many other of Ron Paul's books.
Thanks for your thoughts.

beesting

I am a Jeffersonian

Regarding who is a libertarian and what does it mean to be a libertarian and because you reference Jefferson, who is a personal favorite I want to reply with another Jefferson reference which is used to argue that Jefferson was a "left-libertarian and was against ownership of land. Paine is thrown in there for good measure.

"This is why merely reducing the size of government is not enough. In the late 19th century we had virtually everything that most libertarians of today claim they are fighting for — a tax and regulatory burden much lower than what we have now. Yet despite that fact, there was still an alarming rate of poverty amidst vast concentrations of wealth and privilege. And as Nock pointed out, this was due not to natural causes, but to the concentrated ownership of “economic rent.”

Thus, to secure a truly free and prosperous society, we must recognize and uphold both the exclusive right of each individual to the fruits of his or her labor, and the equal right of all individuals to the use of land. Abolishing taxes on production will uphold the former, while CCR will uphold the latter. Both Thomas Paine and Thomas Jefferson, in whose names the Libertarian Party bestows awards, held essentially the same view:

“Men did not make the earth…. It is the value of the improvement only, and not the earth itself, that is individual property…. Every proprietor owes to the community a ground rent for the land which he holds.” (Thomas Paine, Agrarian Justice, paragraphs 11 to 15)

“Another means of silently lessening the inequality of [landed] property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise. Whenever there is in any country, uncultivated lands and unemployed poor, it is clear that the laws of property have been so far extended as to violate natural right. The earth is given as common stock for man to labour and live on. If, for the encouragement of industry we allow it to be appropriated, we must take care that other employment be furnished to those excluded from the appropriation. If we do not the fundamental right to labour the earth returns to the unemployed” (Thomas Jefferson, The Republic of Letters, p. 390)."

http://wombatron.wordpress.com/left-libertarian-faq/

Can you give me a couple of

Can you give me a couple of names of who you think of as the Republican leadership?

How do we replace them? Should that be something to focus on now or in the future?

Good question...

... the Speaker Bonehead... Mitch-in-the-Ditch McConnell... Lindsay Graham... and then look for those who hang around them... Sam Johnson... birds of a feather... (also watch out for those who sudden;y get the "small government/anti-fed" religion, when there is nothing in their past to suggest that ever held such views..."

Plano TX

How about Paul Ryan and Eric

How about Paul Ryan and Eric Cantor? Thoughts?

Excellent and Interesting interview!

:)

Thomas Jefferson: “Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever."

Viva La Revolucion!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmaTNf4YhEs

What else did you expect?

The Republican leadership has to go.

Being On the Right Side of History: Psalm 46:10

You build the gallows...

I'll supply the rope.

Will have to...

... watch this tonight at home, but the GOP leadership (Politburo) is toast. The Revolution will see to that.

Plano TX

What do you think of the

What do you think of the statements of Matt Welch? He is editor of the libertarian magazine Reason.

He's a smart and funny guy.

He's a smart and funny guy.

I agree, but I took his

I agree, but I took his statements as very skeptical of a Ron Paul nomination, no?

Couple of other things I found really interesting, were the questions of would Ron Paul and Bauchman supporters vote for a Republican over Obama? and with RP saying he is not running for Congress again, would he try and third party run?

I don't plan on voting for anyone Rep or Dem other than Ron Paul and I don't think it would be a good idea for RP to do a third party run.