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Iran's President Blasts US in UN Speech; many walk out

FOX tries to spin this as a bad speech, but what do you think?

Was Mahmoud Ahmadinejad being a racist ass or was he telling it like it is?


Here's the entire speech...very interesting!:


It speaks of an international system, nullification of Breton Woods gold system, etc.

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Mahmud given thought police ticket

UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon has used a meeting with Mahmud Ahmadinejad to admonish the Iranian leader over his speech earlier this week at the UN General Assembly.

In his September 22 speech, Ahmadinejad warned that "arrogant powers" threatened anyone who questioned the Holocaust and the September 11, 2001, attacks on the United States with sanctions and military action.

Ban told the Iranian leader that comments denying or questioning painful historical facts such as the Holocaust and 9/11 are unacceptable.

In otherwords, free speech is not allowed

Neither is the truth.


Another reason to pull out of that 'whore-house' called the UN imo.


post the whole speech


Here's the entire

Here's the entire speech:


It speaks of an international system, nullification of Breton Woods gold system, etc.

The Fox news commentator

The Fox news commentator sneeringly noted that Ahmadinejad made no mention of Iran's "controversial nuclear program". I am very certain that in the entire history of Israel no ambassador, head of state, or other representative of that country has ever given a speech before the U.N. in which he discussed Israel's controversial nuclear program.

While I would not go so far as to say that the neocons plotted or carried out the 911 attacks, those attacks certainly proved to be just what the neocons wanted in order to provide the excuse they needed for a massive increase in the military industrial complex and an occupation of much of the Middle East.

Walking out

over their embarrassment at being called out.

Maybe they think that only agreeable things should be said from the podium.

I watched the whole speech. Couldn't really disagree much.

He said nothing threatening.

Most of what he said was perfectly reasonable from their perspective.

And most of what he said I wholeheartedly agreed with.

- The Western powers / NWO *are* arrogant. This was only underscored by the pathetic way they walked out during his speech

- The West *is* responsible for a large majority of the worlds problems, including the ongoing economic collapse

- The West *does* have a lot of shady, criminal issues that are summarily covered up and dismissed (death of OBL, 9/11, true role in wars and occupation .. on and on ... )

- The West *is* responsible for countless deaths, injury and suffering due to their constant interference, support for dictators, sanctions, occupations ... on and on ...

And I say 'the West', 'they' and anything other than 'we' because these governments actions do not represent me or my wishes ..

... or any other born and raised free American citizen that believes in limited Constitutional federal government and adherence to the Rule of Law.


Reinforces Ron's theory that Iran is no threat. If Iran was a superpower, no body would have just walked out like that!

No one takes Iran seriously.

"The economy's not a class you can master in college. To think otherwise is the pretense of knowledge."

Shouldn't have walked out.

Its immature imo, to stage a walk out, but they got to please AIPAC. Though I think it's silly to be in the UN at all. But, since we're there, Ahmed gets his time just like the rest. That being said, Ahmed is a figure-head for a controlling Theocracy, I don't take what he says too seriously, but we shouldn't be associating with a body that offers seats to autocratic regimes. We should be trading peacefully with all nations and let them handle thier own predicaments. I don't side with Iran or Israel or the Palestinians, I side with America. Our nosey involvment in world affairs is literally killing us and making us bankrupt. /rant

It makes the US look thin skinned.

drama queens.

yes . . . but the U.S. is thin-skinned . . .

and is a drama queen! LOL!

What kind of dramatic reaction was it to invade a country that had nothing to do with the 9/11 bombing--

in 'retaliation'?

What a tantrum!

Oh, and this is not directed personally at 'sandra'--

I hope you know that; I am just . . . taking what you said and building on it--

I'm afraid I am becoming increasingly cynical about being an American.


The truth is that this nation has been hijacked by immature, power-hungry toddlers in adult bodies . . .

who have too much power and don't care who gets hurt when they wield it.

One leader of a middle eastern nation who is NOT handsome and speaks in a style that is very 'foreign' and not comfortable to most Americans and who has been demonized by the media for years--and who is a 'bit' tyrannical himself--

gets up and talks about this--

and . . .

people walk out. It would have been more appropriate if all of those people had gotten on the floor and screamed and kicked their heels!

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Things to solve these problems.

Peace,compassion,understanding,empathy,talking. these are things that can solve these problems.

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One thing to keep in mind is that only 30 countries walked

That is only 1/4 of the total nations represented at the UN. Interesting that the US walked and I assume expected many more than thirty nations follow, and out of those it would be interesting to know how many we own through US tax payer dollar pay offs? The interesting thing is that 75% of the nations stood and listened to what Ahmadinejad had to say. Very telling of the times in which we live.

Always remember:
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." ~ Samuel Adams
If they hate us for our freedom, they must LOVE us now....

Stay IRATE, remain TIRELESS, an

Good catch...I changed the title

From half leave to many walk out

I agree with very little of

I agree with very little of our foreign policy over the last century, let alone the last few decades or years, but let's not make this guy out to be some sort of hero. He's an authoritarian, just like the mullahs that run the country, and he's intervening into the affairs of other countries every day, so he doesn't have much room to talk.

he's no more of an 'authoritarian' than any U.S. president has

been since FDR at least--

Truman wielded a tremendous amount of authority when he delivered atomic weapons over huge cities in Japan--

I guess I don't see this; the past few presidents especially have wielded entirely too much power--

overthrown *our* freedoms and stomped on the constitution--

so . . .

*taking a deep breath*

The Iranians I have known have been intelligent and open-minded.

But they DO have a very different culture. I admire it--

There is repression here in the 'west'; it's just a socially acceptable kind--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Well he personally doesn't

Well he personally doesn't have much power. But the Iranian government in general, while not as authoritarian in foreign policy as recent US governments, is still much more authoritarian domestically than the US government. I know that the government has infringed on our rights a lot over the years in many areas. But if you seriously think Iranians are more free than Americans, you're delusional.

well, I don't appreciate your use of . . .

the word 'delusional', but you have very good points, as long as *we* are grouping everyone together.

The fact is that there are facets of American 'freedom' that are becoming very disturbing. If you've ever known someone who went through something like Ruby Ridge or Waco (I did, but not those particular incidents)--

then you will have a different perspective. *I* believe that *we* here in the 'west' hear about those incidents in Iran, and we judge the entire society based upon that.

In another situation altogether our family has a close personal friend who has been wrongfully sentenced and is in prison and should not be there--

from *his* perspective he is no better off here than anywhere else; justice was not served, and he has lost everything. It doesn't matter that close friends, his wife and his father in law have worn themselves out trying to get an appeal, etc.--trying to get the 'ear' of someone/anyone--

once *you* begin to see these things, *you* begin to feel differently about *everyone* saying how free *we* are--

I have no doubt there is repression in Iran; it would be stupid to say that there is no repression anywhere at this point in time--

but it would take more clairvoyance (bad word choice, but) than any of *us* have to know the exact count--

I don't think it is wise to 'pretend' that *we* are more free than *we* are. To try to prove that there is more or less repression in one place or the other is futile.

But, as I said before, I have known too many innocent victims here in the U.S. IF I were being honest and I were questioned by someone from another culture, I would have to tell them.

And that is what those fleeing other cultures do when they write books about their repressive cultures/policies/authoritarians--

If I had not experienced some of these things (some of them on a less intense level) myself, I would not be on DP.

People who have seen/experienced repeated travesties will often go where they can find like minds--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Have you ever met someone

Have you ever met someone from Iran? I have, and the stories they tell aren't pretty. I realize our government has done a lot of bad things and infringed on a lot of freedom over the years. Iran's takes it to another level. My comment was not intended to say anything about Iranian society or the people in general. Most people there don't like their government.

Btw, I apologize for using the term "delusional." It was uncalled for.

apology accepted--

yes, we had a neighbor from Iran. Well-educated; came here for a higher degree and married someone from the area and stayed--

they regularly went back to visit; there was no wealth in the family and no elite ties--

and no disaffection with Iran, so . . .--I remember being surprised about that. This person was not a religious fundamentalist and could see that there were problems, but this person had no axe to grind against his/her country and had no bad experiences to tell.

An older parent came to visit now and again--a mother, who tolerated America but was always glad to go home. The father, as I remember, didn't want to leave home--

So, you see, it does matter what sorts of experiences *we* have; our personal experiences color our perceptions very profoundly.

Unfortunately, I have known someone whose life was a horror right here in America, made horrible for no valid reason by . . . 'official' agents in the U.S.

And our young friend (who doesn't even know the other person who had a horrific experience) is now in prison and whose sentence arrived after many laws were broken--

plans to leave the U.S. if/when he gets out of prison; in our latest communication with him he was looking for countries where he might live and start over. For him, a fourth or fifth generation American, the American dream has turned into a nightmare.

So--our experiences certainly color our understanding.

So, basically, I would say we agree. I have no doubt there are Iranians here with horrific (and very true) stories to tell--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

oops, double post, but . . .

And . . . LOL!--most people here don't like *our* government!

I guess we basically agree--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

And neither do we. Aren't we

And neither do we. Aren't we intervening in the affairs of other countries on a daily basis?

We have too may problems here at home that need to be fixed. We should not be expending blood and money trying to fix the problems of the world.

We need to cut all entangling alliances and concentrate our efforts on honest commerce with all nations.

I have no doubt if we did that we'd be much safer than we are now. And a more prosperous and happy nation.

Of course, I agree. I just

Of course, I agree. I just said I agree with very little of our foreign policy over the last century. My issue is that at times there seems to be a creepy obsession amongst some people here to make Ahmadinejad out to be a good guy or the Iranian government out to be some beacon of freedom.

I think it's the natural tendency that some of *us* on DP have--

to try to counteract the very strong inclination/propaganda against this man and the nation of Iran . . . by pointing out that while he's no saint, he's no more of a sinner than any other national leader and probably much more honest than most.

That's all I've ever attempted to do. In the 'mainstream' Netanyahu is practically a celebrity, and regular Americans don't mind letting others know that they feel that way; they clap and cheer and listen to what he says, and he has a 'glitzy' image, whereas he's . . . really a very dangerous man. I do not see Ahmadinejad as being any more dangerous at all--
the difference is that he is not pretty; he speaks very much in a Persian way (passionately, with much religious overtone)--
and he has been covered with so much non-real media dirt that . . .

few people can see past that.

To be fair, not many people on DP have praised Netanyahu, but certainly 'out there' he is praised--entirely too much for our national well-being . . . and certainly not for the well-being of peace in the middle east.

There are many on DP who thrive on seeking for truth, and I don't think that's a 'creepy obsession'--

hi, Californians4ronpaul!


it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

great post

great post

I don't think people idolize

I don't think people idolize Ahmadabad, but they do feel that much of what he says has the ring of truth. More so than what we hear in this country.

Ahmadinejad and the Iranian government are the responsibility of the Iranian people, not ours. Not everyone in the world wants our type of freedom.

We do not walk in their shoes. Therefore, what right do we have to try and impose our will or our form of government on them or any other country?

The leader of Iran

carries a huge bias - he does not see things clearly or fairly, IMHO. His ranting and sensationalism only makes this more apparent.

He is the antithesis of the type pf leadership Ron Paul would bring.

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul