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Should I join the Airforce or remain jobless?

I am 26, have a BA degree, and was working a little while in the hospitality industry for a while until it got too expensive to live on my own, with student loans/car payments. So I had to move back in with my parents and now having a very difficult time finding a job in my area, and it doesn't pay well. So my parents are pressuring me to join the Air Force so I can get rid of my student loan debt, car payments easily, and have a career path with job benefits, and not dead end like the ones I had before. I really don't want to join the military, but it seems like I have no other options and I am a burden on my parents. My degree is in History, but I went to Culinary School afterwards because I couldn't find a job with my History degree and Culinary was something I always wanted to do, but the wage is really low and I can't move out of my parents house or pay my loans back. I would very much appreciate it if you guys can help me out with this with advice. Thanks.

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What I would do 1.Don't pay

What I would do
1.Don't pay the student loans they will be forgiven or be inflated away as the system collapses.
2.Start a business and/or work under the table.
3.Live as thrifty as possible and keep yourself healthy and exercise and find a cheap hobby(I bought a guitar $75 )
4.Trade in any extra money for silver.
5.Be patient and enjoy the show.

student loans are exempt from being forgiven

in a bankruptcy. these you will have to pay or they will come after you. IRS thuggery.

Plus, he gave his word, for what that's worth.


Free includes debt-free!

+1, "Dont" Pay U$ury.

Fair, add-wise, all points, specially the 1st. One must avoid giving energy to the system, it is important to remember. Let the sy$tem collapse. Invest in the real, = $ilver.

Thanks for all the feedback,

Thanks for all the feedback, no I don't have any kids or anything, I can't even afford to support myself haha. My Dad took me by the recruiters office today, but they said that I was not qualified because of my attention deficit disorder. My parents are pretty upset about it. I guess this answers my question about the military not being in my future. The ADD interferes with my culinary jobs even though I do take medication for it. I have trouble keeping a job, but I guess the best way is just to cope with it.


Get off the medicin

They are deliberately making you sick.


One thing my friend does to help with his ADD is to run multiple projects at the same time so he constantly has to flit between them.

He sets himself up with way too much to do, then just bounces between things as he needs. He doesn't focus on trying to do one thing to completion, but focuses on making progress on 10 different things. Idk if it helps, but it works for him.

Eric Hoffer

Schools think ADD is a problem

I knew a few people using your tricks.

The medicine just makes you able to accept monotony and boredom.

Free includes debt-free!

Plus I couldn't become an

Plus I couldn't become an officer they said because my History degree was a "soft degree." They wanted someone with like an engineering degree or another technical degree.


Easy solution...

Change your diet. Chances are you are allergic to a certain type of food that you are eating and the allergic reaction is your ADD. Just do the research but prepare to be disappointed in what you might find out on what's causing your ADD and having to stop eating that particular or possibly group of food/ingredients.

If you can't put it down, don't pick it up.

Food we can't live without is an addiction.

ADD is a new "disease" born of our high carb, low fat diets.

Free includes debt-free!

Best plan of action.1. Join

Best plan of action.

1. Join Air Force

2. Try and get stationed in Alaska

3. Wait (if stationed in Alaska, skip to step 5).

4. Wait to be re-stationed patiently.

5. Come in attack formation toward the HAARP Gakona facility. Drop everything you've got on the antenna array. I'll find a few other people with bulldozers. We will work on making the bulldozers remote controlled, or or maybe program them to move like a Roomba in an ever larger spiral to destroy the antennas.

6. Victory parade in Anchorage, and book tour.

7. After book tour, use public outrage to go after those responsible.

|^^^^^^^^^^^\||____ San Luis Obispo, CA
| RON PAUL 2012 |||""'|""\___,
| _____________ l||__|__|__|); Freedom 101

If I had to vote this would

If I had to vote this would be the one.

Help shut down the nuclear power plants by defunding subsidies.

They are needed to power the HAARP arrays.

Free includes debt-free!

Your real choice here

isn't about the most advantageous career path. It's a moral problem. The business of our Air Force is not defending our country, propaganda to the contrary notwithstanding. Their real business is the mass murder of people who have not attacked us, at the behest of lying politicians and the war industries who finance their campaigns. If being complicit in that unmitigated evil doesn't bother you, congratulate your parents on having raised an obedient little citizen forever willing to let "the Authorities" tell him the difference between right and wrong. Instead of a independent, adult human being.

Before you join, read a book.

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition, http://www.amazon.com/Most-Dangerous-Superstition-Larken-Ros...

Just want you to know

I saw you talking about this book a while back so I read it and it helped me become more articulate regarding the philosophy of liberty, so thank you.

You're more than welcome.

Larken Rose hits you right between the eyes, doesn't he?

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition, http://www.amazon.com/Most-Dangerous-Superstition-Larken-Ros...


My opinion is that you should not do it. If you don't have kids and a wife I would highly suggest you move overseas and escape America and your debts. After this election of course.

I respect those

who join the military because they feel called to serve. to join simply because of economic conditions simply makes for poor mercenaries. More than one empire has fallen because they resorted to that while trying to extend an empire(or maintain an extended one) without a solid financial situation.

In the long run, you shoudl do what you really love doing. sooner or later, you will find a way to make others understand the value of what you do.

Yes become a corporate mercenery for big oil.

You can always resort to alcohol, drugs, (prozac) or even propaganda if your conscience begins to hurt you.

Seriously If you have to ask the question, then you already have doubts in your mind.


"Take hold of the future or the future will take hold of you." -- Patrick Dixon

some good advice on this thread,

but a lot of BS, too.

Good luck on sorting it out.

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Be killed and kill others

The prospect of the military means that they may send you six thousand miles away where people will attempt to kill you whilst you are ordered to kill others. Is this even sanity?

Certainly it would be easier to move somewhere where they have jobs. One poster suggest New Hampshire (you can be a free state project to boot). There are jobs in Mass. North Carolina is supposed to be booming.

Or make your own job. I have friends who hire cooks to come over and prepare a weeks worth of reheatable meals for example. If you know how to cook, all you need are a few flyers and some gladware. Tutor kids. Mow lawns. Clean garages. You won't even *have* to pay taxes.

But really, what could be more disruptive and potentially life/soul ending than being shipped off to kill?

Currently consuming: Gatto: "Underground history of education..", FDR; Wii U; NEP Football

don't join unless you are

don't join unless you are prepared to sacrifice your life for corporate interests. 'having a job' is not worth it in my opinion. state unemployment benefits are a much less violent way out, and may at least get you back on your feet until you can find the way out of this dillema.

Thanks for all the input. I

Thanks for all the input. I do see comments that are both for and against, so I am still undecided on the matter. My Dad is bringing me to see a recruiter today just to get information, but I'm not signing anything now. I did manage to have my friend willing to share a cheap apartment with me and offering me a job in the culinary field, so I am looking into that. But my parents are still pushing the military thing be because they think it's a more secure job and career path. (I disagree) My Dad is retired Army and my mom was an Army wife who worked her whole life for the government, so I can kind of see where they are coming from. They just want me to succeed and be financially stable. My heart is not completely in joining because I really know little about the military and military life. I don't want to make a decision that I will regret. So I guess I will just think more about this matter, and it's the most difficult decision I have ever dealt with.


my son was definitely led . . .

down a 'primrose path' by the recruiter; none of the things he promised were delivered--

I hate to see that culinary degree going to waste--

that's a shame; I have an adult child who wanted to do that and wasn't able to--

all sorts of avenues could open to you--

in the 'private sector'--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--


all recruiters lie! their job is getting people to join. they're like salesmen. back when my husband was talking with a recruiter from the air force he was told that he had his choice of where to be stationed. naturally, he chose hawaii, but alas! he was lied to. you will have no choice over where to go and what to do.

on the positive side, you have a degree which means you could possibly be an officer. you'll have to take your ASVAB's to see what job(s) you have to choose from. also, military service is great on a resume and the air force is the best branch, and probably the safest, to be a part of. boot camp is 6 weeks which is the shortest of them all.

have you thought about joining the reserves?

If you join be prepared to be

If you join be prepared to be a lab rat. The military injects all kinds of crap into soldiers and call it vaccinations, those of us that are awake call it "soft kill".

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Air Force

I would encourage you to join if thats what you want to do. I was in for 4 years and now I kinda regret getting out. I didn't want to deploy and they set deployments for every 15 months. (I don't want to go to Iraq and Afghanistan). Lots of great benefits you just wont get in the private sector, holidays, usually a normal work schedule, 30 days leave per year, if you like it you can stay in, retirement after 20 years. Trust me that 20 years when you're 20 years old seems like an eternity but now that I'm nearly 30 it doesn't feel all that long at all. Thinking that I could be retired in less than 10 years leaves me kicking myself. (Although lately theres been talk of ending the 20 year retirement deal). Plus free health care for you and your dependents, no matter what. Its definitely something to consider. Just make sure you pick a good job field that transitions to the private sector so if you do hate it and get out that you have skills and can get a good job or start a business of your own. Since you have a degree you could even become an officer. I would do the research and see whats up.

"Plus free health care for

"Plus free health care for you and your dependents, no matter what."

Unless the dollar collapses you mean?

“Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.” -George Bernard Shaw

Start a catering service or something

Create your own job. Freedom starts with shedding slavery. Looking for a job or worse yet, joining the military, is seeking a new assignment in the slave system. You could start a business officially for under $100 or unofficially for free. If there's one thing I've learned in my businesses, it's put the word out and the phone WILL start ringing.
Be creative and willing to work long days alone. If you can only make $200 a day, it's better than a job.