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Should I join the Airforce or remain jobless?

I am 26, have a BA degree, and was working a little while in the hospitality industry for a while until it got too expensive to live on my own, with student loans/car payments. So I had to move back in with my parents and now having a very difficult time finding a job in my area, and it doesn't pay well. So my parents are pressuring me to join the Air Force so I can get rid of my student loan debt, car payments easily, and have a career path with job benefits, and not dead end like the ones I had before. I really don't want to join the military, but it seems like I have no other options and I am a burden on my parents. My degree is in History, but I went to Culinary School afterwards because I couldn't find a job with my History degree and Culinary was something I always wanted to do, but the wage is really low and I can't move out of my parents house or pay my loans back. I would very much appreciate it if you guys can help me out with this with advice. Thanks.

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Yes, since you are interested in the food

industry, this is a great area to find or create a job that can lead to a fulfilling career. Look for openings in the burgeoning area of local/farm food producers and retailers, organizing food coops, farmer's markets, healthy food catering, so many directions. Also check out which states and even what countries are doing best in the world wide economic recession. You are still a free person and have the historically rare privilege of forging your own path.

Believe in yourSELF. You don't need an official caretake/keeper. People are the productive, creative sector.

Please do anything but contribute to murder blessed by official doublespeak called war or national "security."

Food Truck?

"Gourmet" Food Trucks are all the rage here in L.A.
Maybe a killer Cinnamon Rolls & Espresso Truck?
Some up-front costs though. ;-(

A bad economy

is like a backdoor draft for this very reason. I would say do what you have to do but remember you may have to make some bigger decisions in the near future.

Via Dave Ramsey, get out of debt and get a better attitude

For those that hate Dave for his gold advice, you know good and damn well that Dave's financial peace plan is sound.

Check out Dave's Financial Peace book from the library and get to work.

As someone else said, you may need to sell the car or at least, scale down your car.

More so, the plan will GIVE YOU HOPE! And with hope, you can dig harder for jobs. Heck, work several part time jobs if you have to.

And your parents likely want you out because you aren't providing money or helping around the house. So do both. Your part time job is doing as many chores for your parents as possible. No hanging out with buddies or chicks...all effort on either working for money or taking care of your parents' house.

To the point, do NOT join the military if you don't want to. Your life will be completely miserable for years.

Further, moving from being dependent on your parents to being dependent on the government is REALLY bad. I grew up around soliders and worked with many. Sorry if I offend anyone, but they generally don't perform well in the corporate environment.

I also suggest you check out 48 Days to the Job you Love.

Also, The Go-Getter. If you have kindle, it is free.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Go-Getter-ebook/dp/B002RKR9CI/ref=...

If you do go military...Air Force is the way to go.

You will be trained in something that can be used later. Imagine my surprise when I hit the real world and "Field Artillery" wasn't exactly a booming field..haha It is also the one branch that will give you close to regular hours and days off...not to mention a decent place to live, and a chow hall that is to die for.

As a Marine, we/I was always jealous of the excellent food when you went to either an Air Force or Navy base. If I had to do it all over again, I would go Air Force and I would stay in. If I had gone that route I would have had my 20 years in two years ago. I wasn't taking my chances as a "gun bunny" for 20 years...didn't like the odds.

That is a false dichotomy

You need not be unemployed just because you don't want to be in the military. I would suggest moving and finding a place that has low unemployment and many jobs, such as my home state of new hampshire, things are great here. I have a full time job, and if i was willing i could have another one easily, lots of oppurtunity, you just need to be willing to change and perhaps try something new.

Our son . . .

against our wishes but with our reluctant support (what choice did we have after we had told him how we really felt)--

joined the army four years ago, because he, too, was desperate.

It was not a good choice for him, and he was injured. He is out now, and he is doing better. There is a difference between the army and the air force, and you do have a good education, but--

don't do what you don't want to do.

If your 'gut' says, "no", follow your 'gut'.

I am a parent of young adults (married and single), and it is hard for me to imagine parents telling their child that they are a burden. It may not be easy, but I would rather have a son/daughter alive and 'in the way' . . .

than the alternative. It's not like you've been sitting around for 8 years (since being 18)--

But this is *my* parental perspective, and I don't have to live with you! (*LOL*)

You have to have a strong moral compass to endure both the military and the oilfields, btw.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

How about going to the North

How about going to the North Dakota oil fields with the intention of making lots of money fast. Understand that this job is for the short term. Don't make it your life's work or your home. Live frugally at this time. Plan on taking all that money to live somewhere you'd like to live for the rest of your life and do the thing you'd love to do for the rest of your life. Look at this job as a stepping stone to your future.

The best thing is, no where in that plan does it involve aligning yourself with the govt....no matter how good the recruitment propaganda looks.

spouse and I have family friends who have . . .

gone there. Two men who have moved without their families to work together there.

It is rough. Be aware that it's the 'wild west'--

with all the overtones that implies.

But the level of desperation these two young husbands/fathers felt was such that it seemed imperative; their wives have been supportive.

Strange times we live in.

You've got to know what you are doing or know someone who is willing to work with you.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Oilfield?

What part of the country do you live in? If you live in an area where the oilfield exists I would recommend that. There's not many other fields that allow you to make 80k+ your first year with no experience. Naturally it requires some physical labor...but so would the military.

Just remember:

when you sign up you will become PROPERTY of the United States government - no joke. Think long and hard before selling yourself into slavery, or "indentured servitude", as someone said below. Bear in mind that you will watch private contractors making a literal and figurative "killing" off of these wars. Watch some videos from vets - here is a great one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiFsxp5qOpM
If you want to skip ahead, go to 6:20.

The govt created a whole generation of debt slaves, through their intervention with college loans. I'm sure that is why many people feel they have no other option but to join the military. If you were my son, I'd rather see you mowing lawns or selling hot dogs, as suggested below, than property of the U.S. government, and doing their bidding. I don't think your parents quite understand. But you do. Start a business - or two. Good luck! :)

well written--

.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Thank you :)

I like your advice above, too! - and your name - sure wish I could say I voted for RP in 1988!
:))

My son joined the AF 9 years ago

He has never been deployed except to Guam for a very short stent and he rather enjoyed that deployment. Nice beaches and lots of pretty girls at the clubs...LOL

I was hesitant when he wanted to join but he tested out before he joined and knew what he would be training for before he enlisted.
It just depends on what you train for on weather you get deployed and see action.

Good luck to you no matter what you decide to do..

Truth is difficult

You must be new here, sorry to inform you but the US was taken over by Zionist vermin in 1913, any wars since then have just been to support the banker class, the rest of us are just cattle.
So take a few hours and go around the net and find what you can, it's not difficult, only the truth will set you free~

The Pods have spoken

Go Fish

Did you know that Jim Morrison, of the late 60s rock band, The Doors, father was an Admiral and historian of the USN?

Volunteering to do something/anything when your heart is not in it, leads to best of all, unhappiness. Haliburton, Bechtel, Shell, BP, all these operations hire chefs who earn WAY more than an enlisted man doing the same job in the same place.

LIVE YOUR DREAM
DON'T GIVE UP

God is crazy (and why I LOVE and ADORE him so much).

Yes Admiral Morrison

And did you know he was drummed out of the service when he stood up to LBJ for not retaliating against Isreal for the bombing of the USS Liberty.He just passed a way last year.RIP

My opinion has changed over

My opinion has changed over the last year. Previously I would say that your only feeding the enemy, the military industrial complex. However, I became friends with 2 people in the armed forces, I gave them shit all the time. Until I had a serious talk with them and found that they feel the exact same way.

I came to the conclusion that people are going to do what they are going to do, just don't let it change you. I've seen the marines destroy good people. And if martial law ever comes, pick the right side.

Don't look for the easy way out

you will regret it. There is a lot of good advice in the thread consider what they have to say.

Get two jobs if need be it will keep you away from home and it will pay off debts faster. Draw up a strict budget that gets your loans paid off ASAP.

You are young enough to pull this off, you can do this and will look back with pride that you did.

Prepare & Share the Message of Freedom through Positive-Peaceful-Activism.

you need to do

what you think you should do.

If you were my kid in this situation I would possibly push you to do the same thing. I WOULDNT push you to join the Marines or Infantry.
I understand the benefits of military service to extend the rest of your life in myriad ways, especially if you have a Bachelors and could get in as a low level officer.
I would go the reserves route as someone else suggested and then go full bore if you want to.
Whether we like it or not, and depending on the field, military service is possibly more of a leg up than a Phd on a resume to an employer.

Jackson County Georgia

War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses.
Thomas Jefferson

solution,

lose the car, and go for a phd

Don't go into the killing business

There are good reasons to join the military to defend this country, but our military is almost purely offensive. WE are initiating the wars. WE are killing innocent people around the world.

On the practical side, the military may or may not teach you anything useful for your future life. Unemployment among vets is higher than among the general population. You may get a short term boost to your income, but you may have your entire life derailed.

I started in retail during the recession of the 1970's, first with a temp job, then a full-time low-pay floor job, then a low level management job,...eventually I made it to the corporate buying office. Retail is a high turn-over business, so there is always opportunity as long as you are willing to work hard. Start low, pay your dues, excel at your tasks, and opportunities will come. There are no quick fixes.

By the way, I have a History degree.

I remember doing just the

I remember doing just the opposite thing your parents are doing. I begged, pleaded, lectured and did just about everything else to get my son not to join the marines. They had indoctrinated him in his high school. This was in 2007 when he was 17. I told him if the wars were just I would volunteer too, but why go and fight for the new world order? Luckily common sense prevailed and he did not join and is an ardent Ron Paul supporter. I would definitely think long and hard on this decision. Too bad your parents don’t see the folly of it.

A real tough choice

I have 8 children and do not encourage any of them to join the military. I was in the Navy and if one of my children was really called in that direction I would give my blessing if they went into an officer program.

Now with that said here if the difficult part for me. I know that the United States Military is the only thing standing between those in our own country who want to undo us and the Constitution. The military is the only government agency which has members who strongly support the United States Constitution (as evidenced by their support for Ron Paul).

What keeps the military that way is the fact that freedom loving Americans volunteer for military duty. If we all stop serving and discourage our children from doing so, then we will turn the most powerful military in the world over to those who will join (and these may not join to uphold freedom). Do you know that there are many non citizens in the military today and more are let in continually. Granted some of them are more freedom loving than many natural born citizens, but if a non citizen can join, who decides which ones and from where?

There are many cases around the world where a small % of the population gets control of the military and oppresses the larger part of the poplation.

Sorry for the ramble, but I see a real danger here and hope true Americans don't totally turn from military service. We need patriots in those fighters and tanks who will uphold the Constitution.

You are in the same situation

You are in the same situation I was years ago. I got out of the Air Force after my first enlistment and lived in Northern California. I couldn't find a stable job in the civilian sector and the cost of living was out of whack. So, I rejoined the Air Force 10 months later for the same reasons you mentioned: job stability and debt relief. It worked, but at the cost of my conscience.

I didn't realize what my values were until I deployed for the first time. Incidentally, this was during the time I first heard of Ron Paul. I began to lose faith in the "terrorist" threat, which is the reason why the military is spread all throughout the world. All my colleagues were deploying almost every year, leaving behind their wife and kids in order to do it. I was fortunate only having to deploy once, but it only took one time for me to realize that war is a racket.

My conscience has been troubled ever since then because I have been in uniform against my values. I asked my wife what she would regret more: Me staying in and deploying, or me getting out and facing possible poverty. She said me staying in and deploying. This was the point I decided to not have surgery on my legs that would have allowed me to pass the PT tests (I have a condition that prevents me from running too fast). This decision was hard, but I had to let my conscience be the deciding factor.

Am I concerned about the economy? Yes. But I am much different now than I was 8 years ago when I got out the first time. I have years more experience, much stronger networking skills, and loving support from my wife and kids. Even if I don't get a "steady job" - we have plans to use my severance package to hone our crafts in farming, food preservation, baking, quilting, pottery, and other things that will be valuable during a total economic collapse.

I wish you well in your decision - it's certainly a tough one. I hope my little story added value to your decision. Feel free to contact me by email if you'd like to connect and get a better perspective about Air Force life. troythompson98@yahoo.com

Air Force is a good option

There is nothing wrong with a military career. Lots of great benefits. They may even pay off you student loans. Maybe start with the Air Force Reserve or Guard to check it out. Less of a leap and you can jump all the way in if you like it. And with a college degree you may be an officer where you will learn valuable leadership skills for whatever you may do with your like later.

Just because you believe we should end the wars doesn't mean we don't need and love our military. They are great people doing a job we need to defend this country. It is the leadership that is screwed up not the vast majority.

Finally, you can be the voice of liberty and the constitution which is much needed in the military.

Ideas For you

You could always look for try outs on Hells Kitchen or Master Chef...(Gordon Ramsey shows--or track down local cooking shows and ask for a shot to show your talents)
Or...Sell your car..get a working clunker that you can keep in shape...no more car payments
Print up your own raffle tickets...the prize...a meal cooked by a chef for 2..(you) get a friend to help you by serving
Grab a few friends who are sick of the no jobs in your area thing...get a tent..a few extras..move on till you find a good spot..if you have to..camp out..for money do odd jobs, temp agency's, whatever
Cruise ships hire cooks
Got an Aldi's near you?
you have to have a college degree to be a manager there...here they pay about 35 or 40++k a year to start
(KFC pays 60k for a manager...not a dream job but still)
Offer cooking classes...
Are you near a casino? Your degree and the fact you can cook..work in favor for you..just make a few samples of food..a few copies of your resume...head over and see the boss
Have you checked Hotels?..(I heard Radisson was hiring in the vacation spots)
Try for a civil service job
Quick cash..grab your old unwanted and unused stuff..hit your friends and family up for their stuff..have a yard sale..help knock down the car payment
Ive only heard really of major hiring booms in ND-SC-and with your talents/degree western NC
And above all...PRAY

I believe in Hope & Change..I Hope the government will Change
Spindale-Rutherford County-North Carolina

not a chance the military = rape

I'm guessing you're a guy, if not you will be raped shortly after joining the military by your comrades almost immediately. I wouldn't make a stink of it though because they will just try to get you killed in combat. By the way the soldiers aren't properly tested for STDs when you get in so enjoy getting XXXX from some random soldier boy. Even if you are a guy you will probably be raped by other soldiers. There's a 1/18 chance that your comrades will shoot you for fun in the process of robbing locals and beating children. Personally I advocate for becoming an illegal Canadian instead, with 6% unemployment it's a lot like America before our leaders intentionally shat all over us. Don't commit a crime first, Canadian cops are actually good at the serious stuff.

You're better off starting protests to cause reform. BTW I'm not saying all soldiers are rapists, simply I'm just saying that the people who go into the military generally are the kind of ppl that need constant supervision or else they will rape, kill, infect and generally destroy their own people. Most people's consciousness cannot survive the dehumanization process, those that do were already dehumanized by someone else or they break down while abroad.

Oh and heads up, if you go in when you get your inoculations make sure they use a clean needle. I really wasn't joking before they do not test soldiers for STDs, I ratted one out that had Hep C and her recruiter. Recruiters regularly target people with infectious blood borne diseases (interferon treatments can cause pronounced aggression).

At least your not one of those worthless women that want to go fight to prove to their male friends that they are tough. What vile and disgusting people those are, killing innocent people proves your really tough girl now would you like to step into the octagon with me for just 12 seconds, no? Yeah that's what I thought, It takes a pussy to shoot unarmed people.

lies,

just ...

exactly ...

WTF is your problem?

lies

"you will probably be raped . . . "??

what??
I dont doubt some of what you say in here, but geez. really?

Jackson County Georgia

War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses.
Thomas Jefferson