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Time to Harpoon Christie before he announces

With Perry on the ropes, it is time for Karl and Co. to introduce another, "savior" to keep Ron Paul down.
Time to to start bring out the truth on Christie before he even get's in the ring.

Here's a good start:
http://www.nj.com/business/index.ssf/2010/03/gov_chris_chris...

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Title

Shouldn't the title be harpoon Christie.. he is a whale of a man that is for sure.

There ya go, buddy. Good

There ya go, buddy. Good looking out!

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable.

ha

THANKS, GO GIT EM dp!

He's

anti-gun, pro-illegal immigration, was a top fundraiser for Bush in 2000, authorized warrantless wire-tapping, was a lobbyist, helped several corporations get no-bid contracts from the government, etc. What's to like?

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Christie will not be running for POTUS

The republican machine cannot wish him into the race, which is what all this rumor mongering is based on. They are relentlessly pulling out all the stops to nudge him into the race, probably just to keep it interesting.

I guess if you love unions you will hate Christie. He's the only governor in NJ that ever had the pair to take on the state employee unions in my lifetime, and I commend him for that.

And judging from all the stupid comments on this thread, I guess overweight is the new ginger? (with no offense meant to gingers)

Stay classy...

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RON PAUL 2012

I agree, picking on Christie

I agree, picking on Christie being fat, is like picking on Paul for being old. With that said; why are you so down on Unions? Collective bargaining is absolute 100 percent free enterprise, and people have a right to determine their worth.

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable.

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Public Service Unions, not unions in general.

IMHO, public service workers should give up their right to vote if they want to organize. Otherwise, they are both the employee AND the boss...not good.

Undo what Wilson did

Allow me to clarify

I have no issue with the right for people to negotiate collectively with regard to private contracts.

The difference is when groups of people use government force to vote themselves benefits and pay raises at the expense of everyone else, that is, taxpayers who have no voice at the negotiating table. These are not private contracts, but coercive force, the end result being a mob looting of the general public. When they complain about now having to pay 1% towards their health insurance I laugh at them and suggest they try 30% like most of the private sector, if at all. I guess some are worth more than others? Surely, when you are entitled, anything is possible.

This has been covered on the DP ad nauseum.

Generally, anyone who uses government force to gain an advantage over others is an enemy of liberty. Unfortunately that would include about every large corporation and industry you can think of. They are all lobbying Congress to gain advantages over one another, and Congress can't help but trip over themselves feeding at the trough of corporate donations and public money. Public employee unions aren't much different than the lobbying corporations they say they despise.

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RON PAUL 2012

Where did he say he was down

Where did he say he was down on unions? He commended Christie for taking on the unions! That's what he said.

Furthermore, my understanding of actual libertarianism isn't that collective bargaining is evil -- in fact, it's part of a natural market system of checks and balances against corporate abuse. However, state employees, by their very nature of being public service, must necessarily surrender this right, since an administrative interest that can lobby for its own expansion is one of the primary reasons for the mess we're in today.

TL;DR: private unions tolerable, public unions bannable.

Never forget:

To disagree, one doesn't have to be disagreeable.


- Barry Goldwater

first off, I don't look to

first off, I don't look to "Libertarian principle" for my views. I happen to agree with most of them, so that is the way I lean.
Secondly, you can ban collective bargaining for state employees all ya won't. It doesn't mean they're not going to strike and force their demands to be met. What are you going to do, call out the National Guard, and shoot them if they don't go to work?
I support collective bargaining of all kinds. it is a contract the employer, private, or public can choose not to enter into, and hire other people. Unfortunately, it would be hard to replace 1000's of people all at once.

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable.

first off, I don't look to

first off, I don't look to "Libertarian principle" for my views. I happen to agree with most of them, so that is the way I lean.

Good for you, and I never said you had to. But the way you initially responded to Sleep's comment suggested something quite different from what you are expressing now. I didn't mean to offend you, so I suppose I'll just act with the assumption you'll change your mind every 5 minutes starting from now.

Secondly, you can ban collective bargaining for state employees all ya won't. It doesn't mean they're not going to strike and force their demands to be met.

I'm sorry, whose fault is that? Do you remember Reagan and the Air Traffic Controllers Union? Remember what he did to them?

The only reason that they can "force their demands to be met", as you put it, is because of a decades-long blackout of the issue by our courts and Congress. They have abdicated their responsibilities to ban public employee unions.

The results are readily visible today, and they are not favorable to our movement at all. Why do you think so many states have lush pension programs that have put them in the red? California by itself has a $240 billion shortfall in its pension program, and this deficit is expected to grow that much larger as union-shielded boomers retire and cash out the system.

Why is organized labor lobbying so partisan? In 2010, the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees was the largest donor to Democratic causes, nationally.

This isn't merely organized labor, it's taxpayer-funded labor. And there's a clear conflict of interest here. I don't care whether you agree with the principles here or not. It's about common sense.

The same thing applies when you are sending congressmen to office who hold stock in private defense contractors or Wall Street banks. If you oppose those for "common sense", well guess what? You oppose them on libertarian principles.

Public bodies by their very definition are immune to the checks and balances of a private market, and various boards like the NLRB, coupled with "closed shop" legislation, has only favored them that much more.

These are people who, alternatively, could be in a private union, in the private sector. But they have NO reason whatsoever to join it when, with all benefits included, they are making twice the most comparable private sector employee's salary in a year.

So how you can defend that merely by noting that the opposition to banning public unions won't be pretty is a cop out. Sorry.

But I'm sure you're already cracking at the chance to tell me you have changed your mind again. So let's have it.

Never forget:

To disagree, one doesn't have to be disagreeable.


- Barry Goldwater

Privatize

done.

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RON PAUL 2012

My theme for the day is

My theme for the day is Christie is FAT...I'll get it out of my system soon...

I disagree. Years is celebrated as EXPERIENCE and WISDOM.

Christie and his gluttony problem is neither, rather it is one of the Seven Deadly Sins.

My God's not dead; he's surely alive. And he's living on the inside roaring like a lion.

Unless you are being

Unless you are being sarcastic (always a possibility but I highly doubt it), then you are a textbook example of the hypocrisy inside our movement.

The point is, we don't like it when Paul is bashed for such superficial reasons like his age, sartorial habits, or his debate performance. So why do we think it's okay to turn around and lambast other candidates for equally superficial reasons?

Years is celebrated as EXPERIENCE and WISDOM.

Oh yeah, that logic has certainly paid off in spades so far hasn't it? If it was the case you suggested, then Paul would never have to field any more age-related questions ever again, but they keep cropping up in various interviews. Do I think it's a valid criticism of Paul?

No, and if I hear you right, neither do you. It's the candidates' ideas and policies that we are tasked with endorsing. And where these policies are directly affected by their personal lives, then we may study that as well.

But to make something like age OR weight a reason for not supporting a certain candidate isn't consistent with that at all.

Never forget:

To disagree, one doesn't have to be disagreeable.


- Barry Goldwater

Superficial? I think not.

Superficial? I think not.

I think that questions of age and health are very relevant to anyone running for the POTUS.

RP has clearly demonstrated that his age (while still very young IMO) is not a hindrance to him but is actually an asset.

Can Christie say the same about his weight and health? I think not. Most especially since he was just recently hospitalized for his FATNESS.

So I do jab humorously at Christie and his weight, but the health of a potential candidate is of relevant concern.

My God's not dead; he's surely alive. And he's living on the inside roaring like a lion.

Would you vote for Christie

Would you vote for Christie if he slimmed down 200 lbs. overnight and threw his hat in the ring? No? Alright then, so it IS superficial.

It's as simple as that.

I never said Christie's weight isn't totally off limits, but to treat it as absolute disqualifier as you have done is no less wrong than the people who treat RP's age as their disqualifier.

It's petty. That's all there is to it. And crackin' wise about it is not right either.

Rick Perry just had back surgery. Herman Cain is a former cancer survivor, with a cancer type known for its high chances of recurrence. Most infamously of all, ex-candidate Tim Pawlenty pounced on Michelle Bachmann for something as petty as migraines. If we had it your way, he should have just come out and said she's unfit for office because she has menopause.

So even though you tried to make this more about a health concern, you are still in the wrong here. Anyone who relishes jabbing their opponent for physical details is not someone who should be taken seriously, IMO. Their ideas are the more pressing concern.

Christie, as much as I like his blunt style, is still a neocon. The same as the rest of them. That is the problem here, not his weight.

Never forget:

To disagree, one doesn't have to be disagreeable.


- Barry Goldwater

Someone needs a sense of

Someone needs a sense of humor. Geez, and I thought I was too serious.

My God's not dead; he's surely alive. And he's living on the inside roaring like a lion.

Christie is not Ron Paul

we get it

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RON PAUL 2012

Good point!

Good point!

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable.

From this thread, I've seen

From this thread, I've seen two comments that attack his ideas... If we're going to be consistent in our belief that Ron Paul is best because of his Ideas and not because of his appearance, sound-byte, speech delivery, etc, then we need to find something better to say than "Christie is FAT!"... it shouldn't be difficult to do either.

"You must be frank with the world; frankness is the child of honesty and courage...Never do anything wrong to make a friend or keep one...Above all do not appear to others what you are not" - Robert E. Lee, CSA

+1

I agree that attacking Christie because he's fat is in poor taste. His ideas and record are the people's problem, his weight his own.

I was going to post a quick photoshop I did of him, but now I won't, especially since I recently complained that some on this site ignore Dr. Paul's message of not stooping to such a level. Thanks for being a reasonable voice in this thread.

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Great minds discuss ideas;

Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.

The ignorant GOP

They can't seem to understand that Ron Paul support is SOLID and their neo-con candidates simply split the rest. What a bunch of idiots.

Give us clear vision, that we may know where to stand and what to stand for - because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything.
~ Peter Marshall, US Senate Chaplain 1947

They don't have the corporate backing for Ron Paul

There is too much for them to lose in feeding their war machine.

Therefore they will never support a Ron Paul nomination.

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RON PAUL 2012

Let him come. He isn't gonna

Let him come. He isn't gonna take votes away from Ron Paul.

Oh Christie is running

Oh Christie is running alright. ....Well walking in his case... It just takes FAT people a lot longer to leave to Starting Line. On your mark, Get set, Go!

My God's not dead; he's surely alive. And he's living on the inside roaring like a lion.

You are aware that it takes stupid people even longer

to find the finish line... surely

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RON PAUL 2012

Christie the Conservative Myth

http://conservativenewjersey.com/chris-christie-a-conservati...

Another excellent arrow to add to your anti-Christie quivers.

There is no higher end than the total liberation of the human being: mind, body and spirit.

New Jersey : Fat Bastar$ Has Massive Coronary Thrombosis ..

He may be a bigger porker than William Howard Taft...

Squeal piggy..

I'm surprised Chirstie has

I'm surprised Chirstie has all of his fingers... I've seen FAT people eat. When they are in the zone, they accidentally bite their own fingers more than you would imagine!

My God's not dead; he's surely alive. And he's living on the inside roaring like a lion.