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The I agree with Ron Paul on everything except Israel argument

***As the one that wrote this I respectfully ask, stop fussing back and forth if you aren't Christian and don't know anyone that is, go read something else it wasn't written for you. Find another way to help Dr. Paul get elected and do something useful with your time. The ones that like myself that are Bible believing Christians can use this for a good. The reason I wrote it is to show a big chunk of people that would vote for Paul except for this one issue what the Bible which they claim to believe says about it. If you don't believe it then that is up to you, you aren't helping anything by fussing. You want to be an atheist be one, you want to fuss about it go to another thread. *****

Christians have been hoodwinked into the "stand with Israel" replacement theology. It is again a case of folks relying on others to do their research and thinking for them. What follows is not about Israel being an ally or anything else, it is just a refute to the whole idea that it is based in Biblical teaching, and since a big chunk of folks that say they agree with Dr. Paul on everything but this could use some help here it is:

Talking to folks about politics, they always bring up Israel. Where is it in the Bible that it says we as a nation or that any nation is supposed to fund and protect the political State of Israel? I think that it is nothing more than a replacement theology for political purposes rather than for God's purposes. Now before you call me anti-Semitic, look up the words definition.

Semite: a member of any number of peoples of Ancient Southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs.

Also I am working under the premise that I believe, and that God's word tells us: 2 Timothy 3:16, "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness," all scripture is from God, and the Bible does not ever contradict itself, because God does not contradict himself.

Also I am not talking about them being an "ally in the middle east" I mean where in God's Holy Word does it say, protect Israel or stand with Israel? After all, that is supposedly one of the things we have to do isn't it?

God made a covenant with Abraham he would be the father of many nations, Genesis 17 , and the covenant would go through Issac and that lineage would be traced through Issac. Then in Genesis 21 after Abraham sends away Ishmael and Haggar, God comes to Haggar and tells her in verse 17,

"17 God heard the boy crying, and the angel of God called to Hagar from heaven and said to her, “What is the matter, Hagar? Do not be afraid; God has heard the boy crying as he lies there. 18 Lift the boy up and take him by the hand, for I will make him into a great nation.”

Now go back to Genesis 16: "11And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.

12And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren. "

Did you catch that? "Dwell in the presence of all his brethren" . Now there is a lot more to get into in the Old Testament regarding this, here is one last thing Exodus chapter 19:

"5Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:

6And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel."

That is God speaking to Moses about the Hebrews that he was then leading from Egypt. Again these are the ones whose lineage was traced through Issac. These are the Jews, the Hebrews, the Orthodox Jews of today. But there is something very important in Exodus 19 verse 5 we need to read: "if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine."

Did the Jews keep their part up? Did they obey God's voice and keep his covenant? And, as Christians don't we operate under the "New Covenant" the one Jesus spoke of? Luke 22 verse 20: "this cup is the New Covenant established by My blood it is shed for you." Who are the heirs to God's Kingdom? Who are his people? See Galatians Chapter 1 verses 6-10,

"6 I am amazed that you are so quickly turning away from Him who called you by the grace of Christ, [and are turning] to a different gospel— 7 not that there is another [gospel], but there are some who are troubling you and want to change the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel other than what we have preached to you, a curse be on him! [c] 9 As we have said before, I now say again: if anyone preaches to you a gospel contrary to what you received, a curse be on him! [d]

10 For am I now trying to win the favor of people, or God? Or am I striving to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a slave of Christ." Are we as Christians striving to please God with support of the political State of Israel or man? This next passage is Paul writing in Galatians again, talking about the man Cephas, and himself both who were born Jews, and again writing under the words of God not his own. Galatians Chapter 2 verses. 15-21:

"15 We are Jews by birth and not "Gentile sinners"; 16 yet we know that no one is justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ. [f] And we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we might be justified by faith in Christ [g] and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no human being will [h] be justified. 17 But if, while seeking to be justified by Christ, we ourselves are also found to be sinners, is Christ then a promoter [i] of sin? Absolutely not! 18 If I rebuild those things that I tore down, I show myself to be a lawbreaker. 19 For through the law I have died to the law, that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ; 20 and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the flesh, [j] I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. 21 I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died for nothing. "

Now the entire Chapter 3 of Galatians:

1 You foolish Galatians! Who has hypnotized you, [a] before whose eyes Jesus Christ was vividly portrayed [b] as crucified? 2 I only want to learn this from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law or by hearing with faith? [c] 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now going to be made complete by the flesh? [d] 4 Did you suffer so much for nothing—if in fact it was for nothing? 5 So then, does God [e] supply you with the Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law or by hearing with faith? [f]

6 Just as Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him for righteousness, 7 so understand that those who have faith are Abraham's sons. 8 Now the Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith and foretold the good news to Abraham, saying, All the nations will be blessed in you. 9 So those who have faith are blessed with Abraham, who had faith. [g]

Law and Promise

10 For all who [rely on] the works of the law are under a curse, because it is written: Cursed is everyone who does not continue doing everything written in the book of the law. 11 Now it is clear that no one is justified before God by the law, because the righteous will live by faith. 12 But the law is not based on faith; instead, the one who does these things will live by them. 13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, because it is written: Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree. 14 The purpose was that the blessing of Abraham would come to the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, so that we could receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

15 Brothers, I'm using a human illustration. [h] No one sets aside even a human covenant that has been ratified, or makes additions to it. 16 Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say "and to seeds," as though referring to many, but and to your seed, referring to one, who is Christ. 17 And I say this: the law, which came 430 years later, does not revoke a covenant that was previously ratified by God, [i] so as to cancel the promise. 18 For if the inheritance is from the law, it is no longer from the promise; but God granted it to Abraham through the promise.

The Purpose of the Law

19 Why the law then? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise was made would come. [The law] was ordered through angels by means of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator is not for just one person, but God is one. 21 Is the law therefore contrary to God's promises? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that was able to give life, then righteousness would certainly be by the law. 22 But the Scripture has imprisoned everything under sin's power, [j] so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 Before this faith came, we were confined under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith was revealed. 24 The law, then, was our guardian [k] until Christ, so that we could be justified by faith. 25 But since that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, [l] 26 for you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. Now don't miss verse 27 of Galatians Chapter 3:

27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is no Jew or Greek, slave or free, male or female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, heirs according to the promise.

Could the same be said of us foolish Americans, could it be asked who hypnotized us? There are many more places in the New Testament that tell us these same things. I have not found any thing that tells us that we "need to stand" with the political state of Israel" instead the Bible tells me that due to the Grace of God given to me through Jesus taking on my sin and dying on the cross that I am Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the Promise. It also tells me that Ishmael's decedents are going to be living among their brethren and will have his hand against them. Does it tell me to kill them or fight them? Or does it tell me to share the Gospel? Matthew Chapter 28 Verse 18:

"18 Then Jesus came near and said to them, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go, therefore, and make disciples of [f] all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe everything I have commanded you. And remember, [g] I am with you always, [h] to the end of the age."

So we are told to "stand with Israel" who is telling us this? God, or man? Who is to be obeyed God, or man? Did Paul have a better understanding of God's word since it was revealed to him by God, or does Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Romney, Perry, Cain etc. have a better understanding of God's word? We are told "to stand with Israel" because it is in the Bible, where is it. It is a replacement theology that is politically motivated not Scripturally motivated.

Why are we so quick "to stand with Israel" and support the anti-Christ? 1st John Chapter 2 verses18-23:

"18 Children, it is the last hour. And as you have heard, "Antichrist is coming," even now many antichrists have come. We know from this that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they did not belong to us; for if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. However, they went out so that it might be made clear that none of them belongs to us. 20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you all have knowledge. [f] 21 I have not written to you because you don't know the truth, but because you do know it, and because no lie comes from the truth. 22 Who is the liar, if not the one who denies that Jesus is the Messiah? He is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. 23 No one who denies the Son can have the Father; he who confesses the Son has the Father as well."

Folks read God's word, don't rely on others to tell you what it says and means, read it. How many times in the Old Testament, the New Testament and after the death of Christ and resurrection of Christ, were the Jewish people and the area now called Israel overrun? Read the Bible, all the Earth is God's not just a strip of land in the modern day middle east called Israel. And as it says in God's word who are Abraham's seed and heirs to the promise? Galatians 3:27

"27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is no Jew or Greek, slave or free, male or female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, heirs according to the promise."

My point is that all this hoopla about "standing with Israel" is not based on Scripture it is based on money and power and is not of God it is of the world.




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So your a racist?

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LoL! Guess I'm just a little

slow today,Dale. Wish I had your wit! I guess I should have ended the last sentence with a period (for speartip) instead of an exclamination point.

Don't worry I will be looking for all the periods from this point forward.

Hope the family and garden are doing well. I am just now starting on preparing my fall garden.

Jim

1976-1982 USMC, Having my hands in the soil keeps me from soiling my hands on useless politicians.

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1976-1982 USMC, Having my hands in the soil keeps me from soiling my hands on useless politicians.

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apologies, didn't see the browser moving so hit save twice.

The more I learn the more I realize the mistake that was...

...the United States creating the state of Israel in 1947.

Ask yourself, would our founders ever have gotten involved in such a thing?

We may pay forever for that with acts of terror against us.

Obviously freeing the Jews from the Nazis was a just and right thing to do in WWII.

But when we displaced untold amounts of people (Palestinians) from their homelands by creating a nation state (based solely on religious beliefs) which forbade them from living in their former lands, we asked for permanant trouble.

While it't probably too late to unring that bell, at the very least, the U.S. should support a Palestinian State.

Yet we continue to disrespect those people with a no vote in their attempt to be recognized.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

Mostly Agree....

However, it was the Brits (through the Balfour Declaration) that ultimately created Israel. Additionally, Israel was not formed solely on religious beliefs.......dear goodness, the Zionist Jews ONLY see themselves as a race. This is what makes Zionism so disgusting - the fact that they see themselves as "pure bloods". Religious Jews are a very different thing and should never be confused with Zionists.

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The United States didn't, our British masters

did. It was just the Bankers.

Jim

1976-1982 USMC, Having my hands in the soil keeps me from soiling my hands on useless politicians.

Thanks, I read your whole post

I have always been agnostic, and have never read much of the bible. I had heard some of this argument before, but never took the time to read the verses that support the argument; this really cleared up some questions I had.

The OP needs more detail, more quotes, just more

C'mon, that wasn't enough information.

I think

One of the best sources to inform misguided Christians who think it is their duty of protect Israel, is the Orthodox Jew site against Zionism.

Who better than Orthodox Jews and Rabbis to educate the ignorant about Israel and the evils of its current government.

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

http://www.nkusa.org/

The Abuse of Greatness is when it disjoins remorse from power. - Shakespeare

indeed . . .

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it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Your confusion with the

Your confusion with the question of Israel is a direct result of your having been deceived. What most people consider Israel of the Bible are really Canaanites posing as the Hebrews of the Bible. The Bible tells us," you will know them by their fruits", in the language of today, by their actions not their words. Take a good look at Zionist Israel and the Zionist Jews in general. The proof is that there is no Godliness in them or anything they do, therefore they can't possibly be the real descendants of the tribes of Israel. Once you open your eyes to this truth, by using your plain common sense, along with the tons of evidence out there to backup what I say, you will no longer find the Israel Argument a hindrance to your support of Dr Paul.

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You should

have at least skimmed the post, it is Biblical references that support the stance that we are not guided to support Israel in fact the opposite is true.

The Abuse of Greatness is when it disjoins remorse from power. - Shakespeare

A biblical Israel does not

A biblical Israel does not exist today.

Good Post, This is Important!

Although there are many atheists here, this is important for the Christian community. I battle this among brethren all the time. This is a complex biblical doctrine and most do not want to spend the time for read their own bible. They just take the word of the "theologians"

-This doctrine is complex and most people do not understand it. I admit I don't understand it 100%, but I know that the doctrine of "Anything for the nation or Israel" is not biblical.

-Killing innocent muslims in the name of "protecting Israel" is neither biblical nor Christ-like

-God doesn't need our money or drones or troops to protect the nation of Israel. Israel is perfectly capable of protecting themselves if it is the will of God. This is shown time and time again in the old testament.

-If churches feel it is important to support Israel they have the freedom to take up a collection and send it over to Israel. Extorting money from the American people against their will is not biblical nor Christ-like

-People are more worried about Israel than they are about their own nation. This nation will collapse financially attempting to "bless" Israel.

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Logical and well documented argument!

I don't need to show you the chapter and verse because I'm sure that you know them. The promise was made to Abraham and to his seed. His firstborn son, and his only son, at the time of the sacrifice was Ishmael, father of the Arabs, not Isaac, father of the Jews. Still, the promise to Abraham was that his seed would be uncountable and would inherit that fought over strip of land. So Arabs and Jews are first cousins, and they both are sons of Abraham. Anyone should know to stay out of a family feud! Christians should know that, according to Jesus, they are all "Abraham's seed, heirs according to the promise." Unfortunately they are more inclined to say "My God was a Jew!" which leads to worshiping the Jew, and not God. You won't ever convince Christian's that they shouldn't love Isreal, they won't listen to your argument.

Ron Paul's idea is that America's foreign policy is actually harmful to Israel. We supply more weapons to Israel's enemies than we do to Israel. We interfere with Israels internal affairs and prevent them from having freedom in their own policy decisions, we keep them addicted to handouts and prevent them from growing into a strong self sufficient nation. I think by Ron Paul's argument, he is more "pro-Israel" than any other candidate. That line of thought will help you to win for Paul, rather than trying to educate a confused Christian about Christianity.

If you see something, say something, the government is listening.
Silence isn't golden, it's yellow.

+1, Correct History.

thanks for the useful info, this correction was needed.
Emphasis on the title-word would help a lot more. The original title of the son of Maryum was "Maseah", which is (mis)translated as Christ, whose followers are today considered as Christians. I hope this will not be taken as trivia, the root of the problem was/is IF he was/is the anointed one. Therefore those who believe in him must also honor, follow and uphold his name, title and teachings, in the original and authentic form. This will help a lot, and aid understanding, that who honors and who disrespects. Then the rest becomes easy.
For starters refer to him as "The Maseah".

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thanks for the comment

Too late to make the change. I agree Maseah (English: Massiah) is a better name.

If you see something, say something, the government is listening.
Silence isn't golden, it's yellow.

+1, Christ = Maseah.

thank you for your attention & response, and it is very encouraging. This is a very weighty matter, much could be written to explain & clarify this point, - but I feel - any person as knowledgeable as yourself will be able to gather the importance of title, - only a little attention was required.
Stay with it and gradually the light will grow within you, and I hope you will remind others about the same. Here I will refer to a Bible verse that quotes The Maseah's teachings about the importance of words, and truthfulness,
Passage Matthew 12:35-37:
35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things; and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
36 But I say unto you that every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the Day of Judgment.
37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned."
http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?pas...

Rather than trying to persuade people

That the U.S. doesn't have to support Isreal I think it's more effective to just say that Ron Paul supports Israel being a soveriegn nation and that having the U.S. screw around with everybody in the middle east just undermines Israels position.

People usually get upset when you attack them on religious issues and if they get upset they'll be less likely to vote for Paul so IMO it's better to not even try.

In this the whole thread ...

one post reasonably presented Ron Paul's position in an unbiased manner. Thank you. Voted up and bumped.

But that man should play the tyrant over God, and find Him a better man than himself, is astonishing drama indeed!~~D. Sayers
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

www.dailypaul.com/280083/jesus-christ-vic

I like a lot of Christians, nice people. Good values

But unless human beings grow up and stop letting these religions make up their minds for them ..

.. we are doomed.

And this goes for Christians. Jews. Muslims. Hindus.

Stop letting big masses of people brainwashed by "holy books" written by people you never met that have been written hundreds and thousands of years ago, influence what YOU think and do politically now.

Forget "the book".

Look around you. Use your head.

MY book is the LIVING WORD.

He is alive today. His is always FRESH AND NEW.
Get yourself a copy.
He is called "Living Water" for a reason.

Thats nice. Happy for you

Muslims say similar stuff.

As long as you don't hi-jack weapons or State power to enforce your values on everybody else by force ... I support your right to believe whatever you want.

If you *do* take away other peoples freedoms or end up killing people as a result of what you believe, that is wrong and I will fight you.

Von has it partially right

As a Christian, I don't know why people take exception to Von's statement, it's mostly true, though the conclusion is wrong.

My objective look at people of all walks, tells me that we can be pleasant much of the time, but don't let that fool you. Observing how easily people can be swayed to war, or scared into a police state, exchanging liberty for the perception of security... I estimate that a full 99.9% of the people walking this planet, will not have a problem with their proxy, or government, killing others who don't go a long with "the program". Many wouldn't have a problem with the act, by their own hands, in the guise of self defense. But make no mistake, I'm not talking about self defense. I'm talking purely offense, with a selfish drive, even as those same 99.9% would disavow such motivations.

Man is flawed. What can I say? This is why people like Ron Paul are so rare, and to steal a word that is fashionable these days, -amazing. Ron Paul and others like him, are amazing.

People in first world countries, face a particular dilemma, because the masses cannot envision, living a more humble life, living with "less" then what they have now, because they measure how well they are doing, by their possessions and lifestyle. Anything that seems to threaten that benchmark, is enough for the people to grant the government additional license to remove liberty, and to kill, in the name of "society". We essentially are wrapping our selves in a cocoon, of relative comfort, and blocking out the memory of our pact made between us and the nationless elite, who will provide us with comforts, in the form of rewarding our country with a monetary advantage over other nations, as long as we agree to the lie, and engage in protracted indentured servitude, and allowing them to source our children for the meat grinder, all blessed by a Bible, wrapped in a flag, with the constitution atop, as a decorative bow.

This country is not a Christian nation, it has become a nation of modern day pharisees. Now obviously I'm painting with a broad brush. Those of faith, be it Christ, Mohammed, Buddha, or some other, who are on this forum, have probably rejected most of the propaganda of the state, and rejected the peer pressure of their ignorant sheeple friends and family.

The only thing I would like to you, Von, is that it's not ultimately "religion" that causes people to make bad choices, and to behave badly. It should be clear to many, that people of all religions AND OF NO RELIGION, have been sinning against each other from the beginning.

If one could make all religion vanish from the minds of men, we'll simply find other reasons to kill each other.

It's easy to blame religion, it's easy to blame the gun, it's easy to blame a lot of things.

but the blame squarely lies on the shoulders of man.

This is probably a definitional argument, kind of like the way most of us Daily Paul readers might describe ourselves as "conservative", taking the word back to it's original meaning. We refer to the large flocks that call themselves "conservative", who have horribly upside down, personal balance sheets, support government intervention abroad and at home, and are ready to give up their liberties for the perception of security. I.e. RINOs.

Well, there is an analog in the realm of religion.

If most conservatives are RINOs. I'd say that most Christians are CINOs. And most muslims are MINOs. And most jews are JINOs.

Welcome to our flawed little world, with even more flawed people.

People shouldn't forget their book. They need to use the brain and heart, God gave them, and get over their self deception, even as they read their book.

Thanks for the great post

"The only thing I would like to you, Von, is that it's not ultimately "religion" that causes people to make bad choices, and to behave badly. It should be clear to many, that people of all religions AND OF NO RELIGION, have been sinning against each other from the beginning."

"It's easy to blame religion, it's easy to blame the gun, it's easy to blame a lot of things.

but the blame squarely lies on the shoulders of man."

Absolutely.

Every individual needs to take responsibility for their own actions .. regardless of how they justify those actions to themselves.

It would be naive (or ignorant of history) not to acknowledge that some of the greatest horrors of history have been done as a result of / in the name of / have been justified by some religion or another.

Why?

Because religion - not spirituality (in the pure sense of believing in a higher reality and purpose) ... becomes a form of Collectivism.

It's 'Us' vs 'Them'. And we have Truth. How do we know?

Because it says so here in the 'Book' (Bible / Torah / Koran ... whatever).

'Our' book is better. 'You people' believe in a book that is false.

'Our' book says that land is ours. 'You people' that believe in the false teachings in that other book are inferior, and deserve to be cast out.

This kind of thing is deep in tribal nature. Its primitive. So I can understand where people get so emotional about it.

People get attached to 'Their people' and the 'Book' or historical dead prophet that (allegedly) said all of those profound things. I get it.

And if there is profound wisdom in a 'Book' (and there often is) - then that is an important thing for people to rally around. Same for whatever legitimate history or heritage or records that are passed down. That's great.

But when people start using their religion or book to justify hatred, racism, theft, war, apartheid, mass murder ...

.. or simply to divide the world up into artificial Collectives ('the Muslims' ... 'the Unbelievers' .. 'the Gentiles' .. 'the Hindus') ..

Then the trouble starts. People are pitted against perfect strangers for the sake of something there is absolutely no hard evidence for:

An invisible being. And a passed down collection of words that have (in large part) been written down and / or interpreted for you by people you have never met.

People are driven off their land for this?

People are looked down opon, cast out, treated like trash for this?

People are attacked for this?

People are murdered for this? Thousands, or millions?

No. This is insanity.

Especially when the *vast* majority of the millions of people that are lumped into the 'Other Group' are about as serious about their religion as most Christians are here in America.

Which is to say: Not Much. Most of them go to the mosque / synagogue / temple about as much as most Christians do here.

Which is to say: Here and There. They are totally innocent of all the political and religious complications and are just going peacefully about their business.

Except that we don't have their bombs dropping on our heads.

They have ours dropping on theirs.

+1, Self-Correction & Book.

very fair, reminds me of Ron Paul's speech two weeks back, about "Mutually Assured Respect", where-in he mentions about "The Golden Rule", The Ten Commandments, and the message of Peace.
Please clarify for my/our benefit what is meant RINO, CINO etc. Some of us are not aware, and I am sure it carries some useful info. Thanks.

Christians don't kill people for what we believe

Jesus Said:

“You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. ...“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get?"

My God's not dead; he's surely alive. And he's living on the inside roaring like a lion.

By their silence on the murder in the Middle East ...

.. many Christians in this country are giving Christianity a really, really bad name. Especially among the Muslim populations in the world.

Where is the outrage about these endless illegal and murderous wars and occupations?

Where is the compassion for the hundreds of thousands of innocent people - and children - that have been murdered and crippled and had everything they have in life ripped away from them by the actions of this government?

Where is the political voice of the Christians (other than Dr Paul) who speak the truth about why the terrorists attack us?

Where?

Just about nowhere. I'm sure there are plenty, but among the visible Christian leadership and politicians of this country there is either silence ...

... or even a fear-mongering and open condemnation of millions of people.

And by their silence, the Christians of America are complicit.

If God will judge anything (from what I know of the God of the Bible) - he will judge that.

I always wonder:

If Christianity is such a true and powerful teaching, then should it not attract and produce people of wisdom and compassion for others?

If we take the U.S. as an example of a Christian nation than it has failed at that miserably.

I am sorry but I call it the way I see it. And this is based on personal experience with Christians (or maybe they are CINO's?) here in America. Including my own sister and her friends.

Its not just a little disappointing. Its pathetic.

The Bible plainly states that

The Bible plainly states that God almighty will protect Israel. So arming them with weapons and supplying them cash is absolutely showing a lack of faith in God, and in my opinion down right sacrilege.
Today's Evangelicals should be ashamed of themselves for their lack of faith in the Bible.

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable.