The I agree with Ron Paul on everything except Israel argumentSubmitted by ODell Equip on Mon, 09/26/2011 - 16:01
***As the one that wrote this I respectfully ask, stop fussing back and forth if you aren't Christian and don't know anyone that is, go read something else it wasn't written for you. Find another way to help Dr. Paul get elected and do something useful with your time. The ones that like myself that are Bible believing Christians can use this for a good. The reason I wrote it is to show a big chunk of people that would vote for Paul except for this one issue what the Bible which they claim to believe says about it. If you don't believe it then that is up to you, you aren't helping anything by fussing. You want to be an atheist be one, you want to fuss about it go to another thread. *****
Christians have been hoodwinked into the "stand with Israel" replacement theology. It is again a case of folks relying on others to do their research and thinking for them. What follows is not about Israel being an ally or anything else, it is just a refute to the whole idea that it is based in Biblical teaching, and since a big chunk of folks that say they agree with Dr. Paul on everything but this could use some help here it is:
Talking to folks about politics, they always bring up Israel. Where is it in the Bible that it says we as a nation or that any nation is supposed to fund and protect the political State of Israel? I think that it is nothing more than a replacement theology for political purposes rather than for God's purposes. Now before you call me anti-Semitic, look up the words definition.
Semite: a member of any number of peoples of Ancient Southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs.
Also I am working under the premise that I believe, and that God's word tells us: 2 Timothy 3:16, "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness," all scripture is from God, and the Bible does not ever contradict itself, because God does not contradict himself.
Also I am not talking about them being an "ally in the middle east" I mean where in God's Holy Word does it say, protect Israel or stand with Israel? After all, that is supposedly one of the things we have to do isn't it?
God made a covenant with Abraham he would be the father of many nations, Genesis 17 , and the covenant would go through Issac and that lineage would be traced through Issac. Then in Genesis 21 after Abraham sends away Ishmael and Haggar, God comes to Haggar and tells her in verse 17,
"17 God heard the boy crying, and the angel of God called to Hagar from heaven and said to her, “What is the matter, Hagar? Do not be afraid; God has heard the boy crying as he lies there. 18 Lift the boy up and take him by the hand, for I will make him into a great nation.”
Now go back to Genesis 16: "11And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.
12And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren. "
Did you catch that? "Dwell in the presence of all his brethren" . Now there is a lot more to get into in the Old Testament regarding this, here is one last thing Exodus chapter 19:
"5Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
6And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel."
That is God speaking to Moses about the Hebrews that he was then leading from Egypt. Again these are the ones whose lineage was traced through Issac. These are the Jews, the Hebrews, the Orthodox Jews of today. But there is something very important in Exodus 19 verse 5 we need to read: "if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine."
Did the Jews keep their part up? Did they obey God's voice and keep his covenant? And, as Christians don't we operate under the "New Covenant" the one Jesus spoke of? Luke 22 verse 20: "this cup is the New Covenant established by My blood it is shed for you." Who are the heirs to God's Kingdom? Who are his people? See Galatians Chapter 1 verses 6-10,
"6 I am amazed that you are so quickly turning away from Him who called you by the grace of Christ, [and are turning] to a different gospel— 7 not that there is another [gospel], but there are some who are troubling you and want to change the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel other than what we have preached to you, a curse be on him! [c] 9 As we have said before, I now say again: if anyone preaches to you a gospel contrary to what you received, a curse be on him! [d]
10 For am I now trying to win the favor of people, or God? Or am I striving to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a slave of Christ." Are we as Christians striving to please God with support of the political State of Israel or man? This next passage is Paul writing in Galatians again, talking about the man Cephas, and himself both who were born Jews, and again writing under the words of God not his own. Galatians Chapter 2 verses. 15-21:
"15 We are Jews by birth and not "Gentile sinners"; 16 yet we know that no one is justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ. [f] And we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we might be justified by faith in Christ [g] and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no human being will [h] be justified. 17 But if, while seeking to be justified by Christ, we ourselves are also found to be sinners, is Christ then a promoter [i] of sin? Absolutely not! 18 If I rebuild those things that I tore down, I show myself to be a lawbreaker. 19 For through the law I have died to the law, that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ; 20 and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the flesh, [j] I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. 21 I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died for nothing. "
Now the entire Chapter 3 of Galatians:
1 You foolish Galatians! Who has hypnotized you, [a] before whose eyes Jesus Christ was vividly portrayed [b] as crucified? 2 I only want to learn this from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law or by hearing with faith? [c] 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now going to be made complete by the flesh? [d] 4 Did you suffer so much for nothing—if in fact it was for nothing? 5 So then, does God [e] supply you with the Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law or by hearing with faith? [f]
6 Just as Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him for righteousness, 7 so understand that those who have faith are Abraham's sons. 8 Now the Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith and foretold the good news to Abraham, saying, All the nations will be blessed in you. 9 So those who have faith are blessed with Abraham, who had faith. [g]
Law and Promise
10 For all who [rely on] the works of the law are under a curse, because it is written: Cursed is everyone who does not continue doing everything written in the book of the law. 11 Now it is clear that no one is justified before God by the law, because the righteous will live by faith. 12 But the law is not based on faith; instead, the one who does these things will live by them. 13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, because it is written: Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree. 14 The purpose was that the blessing of Abraham would come to the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, so that we could receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
15 Brothers, I'm using a human illustration. [h] No one sets aside even a human covenant that has been ratified, or makes additions to it. 16 Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say "and to seeds," as though referring to many, but and to your seed, referring to one, who is Christ. 17 And I say this: the law, which came 430 years later, does not revoke a covenant that was previously ratified by God, [i] so as to cancel the promise. 18 For if the inheritance is from the law, it is no longer from the promise; but God granted it to Abraham through the promise.
The Purpose of the Law
19 Why the law then? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise was made would come. [The law] was ordered through angels by means of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator is not for just one person, but God is one. 21 Is the law therefore contrary to God's promises? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that was able to give life, then righteousness would certainly be by the law. 22 But the Scripture has imprisoned everything under sin's power, [j] so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 Before this faith came, we were confined under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith was revealed. 24 The law, then, was our guardian [k] until Christ, so that we could be justified by faith. 25 But since that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, [l] 26 for you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. Now don't miss verse 27 of Galatians Chapter 3:
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is no Jew or Greek, slave or free, male or female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, heirs according to the promise.
Could the same be said of us foolish Americans, could it be asked who hypnotized us? There are many more places in the New Testament that tell us these same things. I have not found any thing that tells us that we "need to stand" with the political state of Israel" instead the Bible tells me that due to the Grace of God given to me through Jesus taking on my sin and dying on the cross that I am Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the Promise. It also tells me that Ishmael's decedents are going to be living among their brethren and will have his hand against them. Does it tell me to kill them or fight them? Or does it tell me to share the Gospel? Matthew Chapter 28 Verse 18:
"18 Then Jesus came near and said to them, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go, therefore, and make disciples of [f] all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe everything I have commanded you. And remember, [g] I am with you always, [h] to the end of the age."
So we are told to "stand with Israel" who is telling us this? God, or man? Who is to be obeyed God, or man? Did Paul have a better understanding of God's word since it was revealed to him by God, or does Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Romney, Perry, Cain etc. have a better understanding of God's word? We are told "to stand with Israel" because it is in the Bible, where is it. It is a replacement theology that is politically motivated not Scripturally motivated.
Why are we so quick "to stand with Israel" and support the anti-Christ? 1st John Chapter 2 verses18-23:
"18 Children, it is the last hour. And as you have heard, "Antichrist is coming," even now many antichrists have come. We know from this that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they did not belong to us; for if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. However, they went out so that it might be made clear that none of them belongs to us. 20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you all have knowledge. [f] 21 I have not written to you because you don't know the truth, but because you do know it, and because no lie comes from the truth. 22 Who is the liar, if not the one who denies that Jesus is the Messiah? He is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. 23 No one who denies the Son can have the Father; he who confesses the Son has the Father as well."
Folks read God's word, don't rely on others to tell you what it says and means, read it. How many times in the Old Testament, the New Testament and after the death of Christ and resurrection of Christ, were the Jewish people and the area now called Israel overrun? Read the Bible, all the Earth is God's not just a strip of land in the modern day middle east called Israel. And as it says in God's word who are Abraham's seed and heirs to the promise? Galatians 3:27
"27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is no Jew or Greek, slave or free, male or female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, heirs according to the promise."
My point is that all this hoopla about "standing with Israel" is not based on Scripture it is based on money and power and is not of God it is of the world.