Stop this!
Submitted by 11thHour on Sat, 12/29/2007 - 00:42Go to bed...rest your minds and think about this...FOX is nothing! We need to quit overreacting and get a grip. Sleep on it and then listen to Jane and Mike and we wlll organize tomorrow. Dr Paul will win and FOX has nothing to do with it! Everyone needs to pull themselves together and quit the kneejerk reactions. We are adults and we need to do this correctly. Forget FOX, Forget the media, turn your tv's off and start thinking about America! Do not lower yourselves to their level! We the People want freedom..we want our civil liberties and we want our country back...do NOT let the media control your lives any longer!
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an uproar is still needed
we don't have to participate in the debate but the uproar must occur to validate us
if we don't bitch who will??? Will other media give a damn if we don't???
Come on people!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ron Paul 2008
Ron Paul 2008
Sometimes...
It is beyond comprehension the way people get all worked up into a crisis before they even know what is going on.
I did not like the smell of the AP article either, and thought it was fishy they would post that, but still they did NOT say he was 'excluded' and neither did it say that in the UL. So why give FOX any ideas? There is some virtue in being stealthy using discretion while you fact-find.
Why let it all hang out for the opposition to see? I've never been in the military but it seems to me that some things are downright obviously what NOT TO DO when it comes to strategy.
I told you all it was not stated explicitly, but that it was possible, and I would do my best to get to the bottom of it, and if it were true, we would find out who was really responsible since I felt the GOP would not suddenly exclude him when he'd been treated great all along and invited to something that morning.
I told you to hold off bombarding the GOP and I think I did the right thing. To those of you who think I did not do the right thing, what can I say?
Don't get mad, get even!
First of all, it has been confirmed. Visit the official site from time to time - it might do you some good.
Now - what we can do is this:
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/18081
Buy up all the tickets to the debate - Rally from inside!
Sending vitriolic emails to Faux News is EXACTLY what they'd want us to do - they could then use the emails on air to make us look crazy, and then use the "crackpot" label to further harm Dr. Paul.
Lets pick on one person.
Who is the worst Ron Paul offender on FOX.
Remember what happened to Glenn Beck. That's because the protest was targeted against one person.
Some truth to this
When I go door to door selling people on Ron Paul, a very frequent question I've heard is "Has Ron Paul been in the debates?"
People don't know, becaue a lot are not watching the debates!!
afraid i have to disagree.
afraid i have to disagree.
fox is something, and we should work to get our voice heard on every level. fox is the news source for many conservative/republican families. you tell a lie enough, and it becomes a truth in the history books.
this is a time to press forward and work hard. hold these people to their word. "fair and balanced" we don't need to be rash or ravenous for that matter... but we should push as hard as we can for a victory on every possible front, fox included.
a few emails, a few phone calls can make a big difference.
You my friend
Have no backbone and will be trampled underfoot in the 11th hour. I think you need to have your door kicked in by a swat team just for motivaton, you've obviously been sleeping too much to see what going on in your country.
Overreacting?
Overreacting? Are you serious? I would HARDLY consider making some phone calls and sending some emails to be "overreacting".
“Whenever you have truth it must be given with love, or the message and the messenger will be rejected”~ Mahatma Gandhi
“Whenever you have truth it must be given with love, or the message and the messenger will be rejected”~ Mahatma Gandhi
agree 100%!!!!
Ron Paul 2008
Ron Paul 2008
Do we want Dr Paul to win??
YES!! FOX sucks..no doubt about it. Are we better than FOX? YES! Let Iowa and New Hampshire know that FOX considers Dr Paul as a non-candidate when he has the most straw poll winnings, the most money from the American people in one quarter and the most supporters out there!! Let Iowa and New Hampshire decide that Dr Paul is about Freedom and prosperity and screw FOX! I for one care only about what "We the People think and not what the biased media thinks.
Please, all supporters of freedom, know that Dr Paul is the only candidate in decades that can offer hope for America. The stronger he becomes, the more the elite fights him. We have to unite and stay strong for Americans. I am asking for your help for America and our children. Please don't deny me because I don't care about myself but for my children and for the future of America. This is our only chance for America and I will leave this website if you want something different then what I want.
Our will is our victory
We are in a "war" of words and ideas. In war, the primary objective to defeat the enemy is to cause the other side to lose their will.
As long as we keep our collective will, we can win. The MSM wants to defeat us by removing our will to continue spreading the ideas and principles of who we are as a nation.
No matter their tactics in battle, lets keep our will to speak for the truth, and in the end the truth will prevail.
I too want a better future for my children
2 and 3 years old - but what is your point? You're speaking to the choir. What course of action are you suggesting? And please don't drop meaningless threats of non-participation. We are all in this voluntarily and have moments of disagreement. We stay involved because we recognize we can accomplish our main goals together.
I agree
BUT, we need to put some sanity in our actions
I'd appreciate a comment from Jane.....
She did say that she'd lead the charge if it was confirmed, and now it's confirmed.
After all of the interaction with Ron Paul supporters in the past, does any rational person believe that FOX simply forgot to invite Dr. Paul?
I'm not an advocate for a chaotic overreaction, so some leadership on an ethical and effective response would be a good thing. What's wrong with a boycott against FOX and their advertisers, coordinated by leaders in our movement? If we won't stand up to FOX now, then when? Why should anyone continue to give FOX and their advertisers money when FOX is blatantly attempting to subvert the democratic process, and has been from the start? Can we not face up to what's happening in our nation?
Absolutely..
There is nothing wrong with writing to FOX, but as someone already stated, the nasty uncivil emails are the ones that will be shown to the public. So even with them, please be firm but polite.
And telling the sponsors you will not buy their products or watch FOX is fine too.
I am sure they did this on purpose, you won't find an argument from me on that. It was our NH GOP that felt the brunt because everyone assumed it was them! I was sure it wasn't because they have NOTHING TO GAIN.
As for the actual event, if we end up on the outs, I am sure the campaign and grassroots can cook up something I can support that we can get noticed for....that is never a problem when you have hundreds of volunteers all over this tiny state!
If you are going to hit the target, hit the RIGHT one...that's all I'm saying.
And now I MUST get to bed, NO SLEEP over this last night and I'm still up at 3:36 ET.
Consumer feedback is good!
A lot of people are trying to persuade everyone not to write or call. There is nothing wrong with individuals diplomatically expressing dissatisfaction with Fox to Fox and its sponsors. We are voters and consumers and it is one of the few means individuals have to express disappointment with a product or service. So long as the communication is polite and not abrasive or threatening, it is a very peaceful means to set things right.
In my opinion a protest could be construed much more negatively and risks being reported as a riot. So peaceful emailing and phoning is good and so would be a forum on rented private property such as was held in Iowa. I agree with those who think polite pressure should be brought upon Fox, especially through their sponsors and local news affiliates, to include Ron Paul in the debates. They still have time to set things right. I hope they do - I'm looking forward to seeing Ron Paul win another Fox debate and text message poll!
Nope never said that..
I only said don't write or call the NH GOP. Because this was NOT their idea...they have not ever done anything like this in the past, and Ron is invited to the event in the morning...and Fergus has never said a bad word about our campaign and I see him all the time and he knows I am a rabid Paulite. :-)
Invitation to the debate from NH GOP or Fox?
Hi Jane,
Do you know who the invitation to the others were from?
An article in the Union Leader from November suggests that it may have come from the NH GOP.
Thanks
Ron Paul 2008
Heard
Have you heard some of the crazy comments made here tonight...Diplomatic is not a word i would use to describe the vast majority of them
Time to innovate
...........Ron Paul campaign buys up time in NH for "informercial" to air live during the debate time. He answers every question as it appears in the debate on fox - only now he controls the informercial content. Maybe it can be aired concurrently live on YOUTUBE as well.
Would require buying TV time in NH to blanket key state markets during the FOX debate time. If he advertised this approach ahead of time, it would be a great counter to his exclusion from the debate and probably stir the hornets nest in our favor.
Just some thoughts........
I like it!
Nice thinking, wd4freedom!
Never
Do you think being nice to Rupert and his minions is going to suddenly make them see the light and throw their support behind Dr. Paul?
They are the ENEMY, make no bones about it, they are diametrically opposed to you, they will NEVER agree with you because you are trying to take away their power and control.
If your advice worked, we would have sent the Germans flowers and candy during WW2. Hey, why don't we send OBL a gift certificate to Chili's?
If nobody wrote a single email, these psychopaths will simply create one laden with cursing and threats and use it against us.
Personally, I am glad that they MAY be excluding Ron Paul, they are cutting their own throats.
It is a proven fact, new supporters flock to Ron Paul every time he is attacked, especially when it is the media doing it.
Oh, and I wrote Fox a scathing bit of vitriol anyway.:)
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"Resistance need not be violent, but the civil disobedience that might be required involves confrontation with the state and invites possible imprisonment." - Ron Paul
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"Resistance need not be violent, but the civil disobedience that might be required involves confrontation with the state and invites possible imprisonment." - Ron Paul
I completely agree with the TS.
Let's sleep on it, organize our ideas, and act after analyzing them. Not just rush out with the hate mail.
Collectivism is slavery.
Collectivism is slavery.
Iam done with all of you
Good going Ron Paul supporters...way to stay focused. So all of the money I've contributed and all of the marches I've been on and standing for hours at gunshows handing out slimjims was wasted. What about all of the supporters in Iowa and New Hampshire standing out in the snow and ice spreading Dr Paul's message? You insult them!
So all you needed was the neo-con FOX network to keep Dr Paul out of their biased debate to get your adrenaline flowing? Grow up all of you! Shame on all of you. Dr Paul doesn't need your type of help and don't come whining to me or anyone else because you have screwed up the only possibility of a candidate worthy of being our president! You all make me sick and I don't want to be a part of your negative holier than thou attitude. Attack the so-called establishment if it makes you feel better and then wollow in your misery when you have destroyed any hope for the rest of us.
Are you high?
Have you not read a single word from the man you purport to sponsor?
Ron Paul would tell you that when your rights are being blatantly stripped by the system, it is your RESPONSIBILITY to protest. Our founding fathers didn't sip tea in the Boston Harbor, they kicked it over the F****** side!
This is the best part though:
"Attack the so-called establishment if it makes you feel better and then wollow in your misery when you have destroyed any hope for the rest of us."
Attacking the establishment is exactly what this campaign is about boy, good riddance.
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"Resistance need not be violent, but the civil disobedience that might be required involves confrontation with the state and invites possible imprisonment." - Ron Paul
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"Resistance need not be violent, but the civil disobedience that might be required involves confrontation with the state and invites possible imprisonment." - Ron Paul
fox is "private property".
it is their right to invite who they want.
dont you love freedom. sometimes it works for you and sometimes not so much.
ron paul 2008
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Yeah
And their actions as NEWS MEDIA hold them to a level of responsibility to the populace. If they CHOOSE to act in such a manner, I for one CHOOSE to help with a boycott of their station and their sponsors. Reacting to idiocy in a free way is a great thing to do.
"It's their property, let them crush Ron Paul's campaign."
NO.
They are a part of the media. They have a role to play in this process and if they want to play games with that, then let the games begin. BOYCOTT.
Spread the word. It is basic.
Meanwhile, this news has solidified support from a number of people I know who were on the fence previously.
Use it to our advantage.
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Isnt all of Ron Paul's campaign an attack against the establish.
Dude... seriously consider the following facts...
1. Ron Paul's whole campaign is against the ESTABLISHMENT...
this is a revolution in the real sense of the word... seriously...
2. Fox news is going to try and discredit Ron Paul in any way shape or form they can... so this is nothing NEW and Paul will get no help from anywhere but his supporters.
3. They hit us, we hit back... in the pocketbook with the sponsors... trying with Fox directly is wasted - GO FOR THE SPONSORS...
4. Beating down the door of MAINSTREAM MEDIA has been the whole point of this campaign... its taken EVERYTHING we can imagine to do what we have done...
5. The grassroots support has been OUR BIGGEST PLUS... what the troops have done... can we do no less than the people on foot in NH??
WE FOLKS SITTING at our keyboards are a force to be reckoned with!
6. I highly resent *We insult the troops standing out in the ice* it makes it sound like we are LESS than them?? Shame... our emailing and posting and contributing etc. etc. etc.. is what started this whole damn thing in the FIRST PLACE.... We are the generals of the troops in a sort of way... and i say sent the troops forward to be heard!
This will only back-fire on Fox - The media WILL get wind of it and push it back in Fox'es face... Imagine if we take on the SPONSORS of Fox and get them to re-instate Ron Paul... its egg on THEIR faces...
I just dont understand this *do nothing* mentality... *doing nothing* only every accomplished *doing nothing*... I have spent hours upon hours posting at websites, emailing, talking with friends etc. etc. etc... I dont consider myself any less of a troop than the ones in NH, but I am not a young person who can do what they are doing, I am doing ALL I can do in my own way...
Dude its FOX, this is SO typical of them,
Kucinich was excluded in the Iowa debates, and now it's Ron...WHY> DUH! we are a HUGE threat to the establishment. Do not sit here and be shocked. Things could be a a lot worse. Now is the time where we supporters are going to be tried and tested. Are we just a group of sensitive overreacting "beginners" or are we going to pull our stuff together and think...Think of the media as this one huge giant, and we are little ants. ARe we gonna scatter and hide when the fist thrusts down to the floor or are we gonna hold our ground and travel up. all of us, to the head and sting some balls!! (eyesballs, silly)
STING!
One thing
There is absolutely ZERO comparison between Kucinich and Ron Paul.
Paul has tremendous measurable support (see $18 million raised this quarter). Kucinich has nothing to show any support on any basis.
Ron Paul has a large, growing, intelligent movement behind him, not to mention something called the constitution.
Shame on Fox.
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