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Awesome campaign strategy! GET behind this!

Rather than wasting money on mailouts to people in early primary states...how about asking the campaign to purchase copies of the For Liberty handout dvd & send those to people instead. It wouldnt cost much more & I've found that dvd to be a very helpful tool. Much moreso than a flyer in the mail that most people just throw away! Plus this helps put money in the pockets of our own people, who in turn could return some of the profits to the Rev Pac. Seems like a win/win to me!



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I'd like to share my

I'd like to share my experience distributing DVD's. I discovered they are no more effective than written literature, and even more wasteful. To cut down on the waste I started passing out a small flier the size of a quarter sheet of paper describing the DVD I wanted to share along with my phone number so they could call me to hand deliver the free DVD to them no questions asked. At least this way it only cost me a few pennies to find out who WANTED to see the DVD. That worked great but then I came to the realization that there is no substitute for face to face interaction. If you want Ron Paul to win this election you need to get a walk list of the Republican Super Voters in your precinct and talk to them face to face. Have a candidate comparison chart and other info ready to give to them, even a DVD. Just remember people are just as likely to toss a DVD as a Flier, and surprising as it may sound 30% of the people you want to reach do not have a DVD player.

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How did

you track your "DVD's" to know whether people were watching them or not?
You haven't really given us any information about what you passed out, where you passed it out, and who the crowd was.

Where do you get your "30%" number? I posted Neilson Ratings info below, that says 88% of households that have TV's have DVD players. That was from 2009.

This effort is geared toward a targeted group of voters based on their voting history, not some random strangers on the street. These are people who we KNOW have voted before, so that at least singles them out from the rest of the clueless zombie herd. The DVD's would be mailed directly to them, based on their info from registered voter lists.

I don't want to waste money or time either, but I'm also not going to go on just one person's experience, when they haven't really given any pertinent info.

this is it

"... there is no substitute for face to face interaction. If you want Ron Paul to win this election you need to get a walk list of the Republican Super Voters in your precinct and talk to them face to face."

absolutely! go to gun shows, farmer's mkts, etc.

and talk to people. Many ppl aren't taking info. from me at farmer's mkts but you still have to keep trying. Those that are interested, will come by. You can't make someone interested.

Prohibited

Certainly it did not take 100 replies to this topic before someone reviewed the federal election campaign laws did it?

Great idea. To bad it's illegal for the official campaign to do. But it's not illegal for you or I (the grassroots) to do separate from the official campaign.

The official campaign can finance the production of a "official campaign dvd" and distribute it - that is legal.

If "For Liberty" cost less than $2500 to produce and had a "fair market value" of $2500 or less post-production value, the campaign possibly, maybe, could classify it under "in-kind donation" and then, maybe, it may be legal for the official campaign to distribute... maybe. FEC law in this area of campaign finance are very sticky.

DVD Idea

I've often posted that I love the idea of distributing DVDs. I think people will often watch just because it's a DVD.

My idea is for Ron Paul's campaign to create an explanation DVD. For example, call it "Ron Paul Explains His Positions".

We all know how great Dr. Paul's message is, if only enough people could be exposed to it...

Even Dr. Paul said on the recent Daily Show episode he feels many people simply don't understand his message, and he continually works to refine it. One minute debate answers, and 30 second commercials are not ideal to get the message across, but a DVD could be!

I think the campaign should set up a simple town hall style event, and film it. They can invite people who are NOT currently supporters to ask questions so he has a chance to explain. He maybe just has a simple opening statement saying something like: "My name is Ron Paul, and this forum is to provide an explanation of my positions. My message is resonating with a growing number of Americans, and this is largely because our nation is now experiencing many of the problems I've warned about for many years. We have crippling debt, perpetual war, a declining economy, and we increasingly lose civil liberties. I believe our problems arise from straying too far from the Constitution, but can also be solved by returning to it. I advocate getting rid of our central bank the Federal Reserve, and a non-interventionist foreign policy, where we only go to war with a Congressional declaration. I'm happy to now take questions."

DVD Menu: Select Age

Edit and arrange the video into 3 videos on 1 DVD targeting each age demographic. DVD loads, the Menu appears
"Please select your age"
18-29 * 30-49 * 50 and over

Exactly.

I love the whole 'Ron Paul Explains his Positions' idea. I think that the reason some people groundlessly hold to the neocon positions is simply because they don't understand the facts and evidence backing Paul's ideas, and they aren't motivated to seek that evidence out. Thirty second debate spots aren't enough time to fully talk about ideas such as fiat currency.

To me, an explanatory DVD would, if we could get people to watch it, be a huge recruitment tool.

Liberty Defined on DVD

Something along the lines of a DVD version of his new book Liberty Defined?

Speaking of Liberty Defined, why are Ron's book(s) not for sale through the campaign store? I bought "Foreign Policy for Freedom" through the 2008 store. Why no books this time around?

Audible media

does tend to reach more as most are to lazy to read.

The Abuse of Greatness is when it disjoins remorse from power. - Shakespeare

Totally agree

We've largely become a "coach potato" society, unfortunately.

Here's an idea since the issue of DVD's came up....

I think others have said For Liberty is about US - not Pauls message. It's fun for us but first timers could care less about some guy going across the country on his bike with a Ron Paul sign.

I propose that a DVD is made of his message by utilizing clips of him about all the issues he talks about. Actually our meetup group is trying to do this right now. We compiled a list of videos we plan to put on it and distribute it in our city:

http://www.meetup.com/Springfield-MO-for-Ron-Paul-2012/messa...

That might give some ideas. Most people got turned onto Ron because of the internet. But most older voters don't understand the internet very well.

My thinking on this is, bring the internet to them. While in 08 we had "Google Ron Paul", this time we should give people the videos from google! Google need not apply. Because grandpa has no idea how to use that mouse but he can figure out a remote control.

One thing we also want to do with these DVD's is put information about primary voting dates, how and when to register republican and where to get more information on the web. We also will promote on the DVD in the (take action) part of it a way for viewers to join our meetup group. Tailoring the message to your city will help grow our army of volunteers provided you are already part of a group to promote.

Here's some

interesting stats from Neilson Ratings from 2009.

Of the 114 million homes that have TV's, 88% of them have DVD players.

http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire/media_entertainment/more...

I would imagine that number has grown since then.

Sorry

but from a marketing/cost standpoint about the only people that would really benefit from such would be the person/group that made the DVD.

Even bought bulk wholesale it would be astronomically costly to mail this out to potentials.

You could direct mail for pennies on the dollar compared to that.

Economically speaking, bad idea. Good idea otherwise.

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I've already

researched this.

I can get 100,000 dvd's with a full color cardboard mailer for 59 cents a piece.

A bulk mailing license is 200 bucks, and someone else said that they can be mailed for around 9-10 cents a piece.

Not to mention the "pass along value" DVD's have.

I think

your number is off on the mailing (Should be .20 cents or more for the weight)but possibly on the DVD's also. Your also counting on people breaking copyright laws in hopes they'll be passed along.

The DVD's go for $26 individually.. Can you provide an actual quote?

Even at the prices specified by you, we could mail close to 400,000 direct mail pieces.

On the surface the idea sounds good.

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I did

provide an actual quote. That's why I stated that I had "researched it."

I can have 100,000 DVD's burned INCLUDING a full color cardboard mailing sleeve for 59 cents a piece.

I called the USPS and got a quote for 200 bucks for a "bulk mailing license" which the campaign surely already has.

The 9-10 cents a piece for mailing, was mentioned by someone else on my thread and I agree that is a little low. They were talking about the cost to bulk mail a "letter." A DVD is going to weigh a little more.

Alex Jones encourages people to burn his DVD's and pass them out all the time. He has content on there that is from the nightly news, and other network material, so I think you're mistaken on the "copyright" issue.

There's "fair use" for educational purposes, and that is what I would assume this would fall under. It's a non-profit venture.

Sure

but this wasn't made by Alex Jones I thought?

You can "have" them burned or purchase them already burned? I think you mean you'll purchase the DVD and then copy it? Fair use doesn't apply to DVD's that you don't own..They have rights to it and unless you get their okay, you're breaking the law.

Someone else said guys on the superpac committee are involved..I'd ask them and see what you can come up with, it may be okay to do what you're suggesting but economically it's way out in left field.

Even at your low numbers, you're still looking at around 70,000 thousand.. How many of those based on your ROI do you think you'll see a return on? That's what you want right? A solid return and the most you can get for the money you'll spent is surely what you're looking for?

I know someone that does duplicating.. I'll check your figures on that end.

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"How many of those do you think you'll see a ROI on?"

Well...

That's the 64,000 err....70,000 dollar question isn't it?
We know this.
The MSM is not going to help us.
We can't be everywhere at once.
RP's platform can't all be explained in 30-60 second sound bites.

A bulk mail of 100's of thousands of DVD's in targeted primary states, seems worth a shot to me.
I certainly seems better than these commercials that we may or may not get ROI on. (not that the commercials are horrible)

I've just had good luck with films like "America Freedom to Fascism", which I'm almost POSITIVE that Aaron Russo's executor would be thrilled to be sent out to thousands of people for free. He didn't make the film for profit. He made it to awaken Americans to the fraud that is taking place under their noses.

I don't have the company's name in front of me. I just contacted one of the top listings in a google search when I was looking into DVD burning companies.

That's the 64,000 err....70,000 dollar question isn't it?

Actually, it'll most likely be about 20,000 more BUT that's neither here or there, I suppose, to fiscally responsible people.

I'm withya on the spirit and the idea that MSM isn't going to help us.

Just saying that there might be other potential avenues that might work better and cost less and potentially bring in more viewers.

For starters: How about we contact the people that are responsible for the movie, have them contact netflix and other online media streamers, then do a mail-out which gives them info PLUS sends them to watch the DVD?

Starting in key states is definitely a better idea.

Edit: I have a quote to one of my vendors for the duplication. We'll see what they say on it as well.

It'll be a complete package deal except the mailing.

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Film watching parties...

I agree. The thing that pulls people to the Ron Paul campaign is the message - but only when people understand it. Clearly explaining the evidence and logic underlying Dr. Paul's arguments is the way to garner support. The 30-second ads and lawn posters are good for increasing name recognition, but if people naively associate the Ron Paul name with an unrealistic foreign policy or don't seek out his message on their own, name recognition is not enough.

We have to explain his platform, explain that the ideas are both factual and viable, and explain that Paul is the most informed, educated and consistent option in the race. That requires more air time than a leaflet provides. The short soundbites, ads, etc are good for those of us willing to do the research on our own, but the DVD would be a great tool for those people who won't likely spend time surfing the web to understand the history of blowback or fiat money. Is there a video that explains the facts behind Dr. Pauls' positions moreso than just explaining how the Revolution came about?

***You know it would be really great if we were able to organize some community hall or neighborhood viewings of the film! Plus targeting a larger amount of people per film would cut down on costs.

Wonderful idea

How many people though do you really think would show up for it that weren't already Dr.Paul supporters.

This is why shotgun mailing, cold calling and various other inexpensive marketing works.

It might be better if people personally purchased the DVD's and felt a person out, THEN gave them their personal copy to borrow.

My take on it.

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emailed the RevolutionPac

emailed the RevolutionPac also to see if they're interested in funding this...

BUMP!!!!

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the 2 guys who directed the

the 2 guys who directed the movie, are board members of the RevPAC

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Well then

That could shed a different light on things.

I'm always leary of people suggesting things on the internet especially when there's a lot of money involved and or some other possible gain.

Call me paranoid. :)

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For Liberty is for CURRENT or close to being ron paul supporters

that is NOT a good dvd for the 50+ crowd at all. How do I know? I tried it plenty of times. You want to know what does work with them, someone talking about things that are important to THEM.

Get a dvd on social security, investment strategies (gold and why other metals make more sense than any paper or digital investment and why) as well as why our foreign policy does NOT work.

This age group TRUSTS the media and gets the news in that picture box in their living room and takes EVERYTHING as fact. This is of course from my own personal experiences trying to "educate" those older than I.

Showing a video about how ron is building will not do anything to those who have been a republican since the early 1900's and believe that ANY republican is better than a democrat and will vote for ANY republican who their news tells them can beat the current democrat.

Its not the easiest sell and I think ron is doing things a better way by getting into the COLLEGES and that age group. Those will be the next voters and leaders of our country after we go and those who are holding fast to the b.s. dem and republican 2 way/1 one party will be LONG GONE soon enough.

We can't be 95% free, it just doesn't work that way SO our foreign policy and the Israel connection needs to be removed.

You cant be free to believe as you choose but then tell others that they cannot. It does not work that way no matter how RIGHT you think YOU are.

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Netflix

It's listed on Netflix but it isn't available.

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Anyone know who made "For Liberty?"

I called Netflix and they said that they are waiting for an agreement with the studio that made "For Liberty." I was told that a representative from the studio can call 1-866-716-0414 and ask for the supervisor.

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Well let's see

if we can get someone to do that it would be great. I have a feeling though it's BS and they just aren't showing it but I say let's find out.

It'd be a whole lot less costly for the campaign if we could just say.. Go to Netflix and watch this movie or "Come over next Friday for movie night..I'll make dip!" Then invite the whole community! :)

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i believe the guys who made

i believe the guys who made For Liberty, Chris and Cory are on DailyPaul, and both of them are Board Members on the SuperPAC

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