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NBC Question Ron Paul About Assassination By Dictate.

FoxNation does put up online polls. That is the only reason to check them out but I did come across this!

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http://nation.foxnews.com/anwar-al-awlaki/2011/09/30/ron-pau...



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The poll: Crazy is ahead of Inspiring by 6 votes;

get in there.

Quote from today's...

... Financial Times: "Under international law, the killing of Awlaki through military force is clearly unlawful, said Mary Ellen O'Connell, a law professor at the University of Notre Dame in the US. "The United states is not at war in Yemen. This was the killing of a criminal suspect with no attempt to arrest."

Contrast this to a news item on the BBC's website: "Top Afghanistan militant captured. Nato announces the arrest of a senior leader of the Haqqani network, blamed for a string of attacks in Afghanistan, and accused of ties to Pakistan."

Of course, the neo-con mouthpiece, Wall Street Journal, uses its editorial today to jerry-rig a defense of Obama's state-authorized assassination.

[Fox won't allow me to post this.]

Plano TX

They have no totally censored me...

.. at Fox. Not only have they no respect for the 5th Amendment, nor do they care for the 1st Amendment.

Plano TX

I just sent...

... Fox an email protesting the censorship of my posts. Unreal. The one guy calls me a baby killer. how do they allow that but muzzle me?

Plano TX

I managed to slip this comment...

... through the censorship broad at Fox:

in reply to adapto1432
Read my posts below to see where I'm coming from. Since I don't follow the party-line, the moderator is no longer posting my responses. Several attempts have failed. I emailed to ask for an explanation, but to no avail.

Exposed!

Plano TX

I followed it up with this email to Fox...

I thought I'd let you know. I managed to sneak this comment onto the board:

albert.meyer 0 minutes ago in reply to adapto1432
Read my posts below to see where I'm coming from. Since I don't follow the party-line, the moderator is no longer posting my responses. Several attempts have failed. I emailed to ask for an explanation, but to no avail.

Are you going to remove my comment to hide your shame? If not, I respectfully request that you posts all my comments.

Plano TX

Posted this...

9thID "Those who condone Ron Paul's behavior should read Lord Of The Flies...

My reply:

Those who condemn Ron Paul should read the Constitution:

"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use,
without just compensation."

The 5th Amendment protects against abuse of government authority in legal procedure. Its guarantees stems from English common law which traces back to the Magna Carta in 1215, including the phrase "due process."

The 8th Amendment delegates the power to declare war to Congress. In Constitutional terms we are not at war. Our Representatives have violated their oaths of office and led us into undeclared wars.

Only one honest man, Ron Paul, unyielding and steadfast through the past 30 years stood between us, We the People, and the excesses of the ruling class.

For this he is vilified by the corrupt establishment and the lemmings who can't think for themselves.If you give me a choice between the Constitution and The Lord of the Flies, I know what I would choose! (Who currently lord's over the flies in Congress?)

Plano TX

I think that

yesterday was one saddest days I have had in while. Reading through the different blogs and comments on the internet it really showed me just how hateful this country has become. I'm not so sure anymore whether there is anything to be proud of in America. The overwhelming majority of the populace has turned it's back on the principles of what made this nation something to be proud of. The worst thing in, my opinion, about the comments were that these people know very little if anything about the man in question other than 30 second sound bites from the local news and yet are positive beyond a shadow of a doubt that he deserved to be put to death. I'm very worried about living in the same country that these people live in.

We are making...

... progress. Events like this serve as opportunity to awaken the masses.

Plano TX

They won't...

... allow me to post my replays to:

9thID writes: "Bilge. Your version is as I stated - way beyond the 10th Amendment and back to the Articles. You want everyone to do what's right in their own eyes no matter how it infrignes upon the liberty and saftey of others. Ron Paul is a treasonous sob..."

Your characterization is idiotic. You have lent your ears out to right-wing talk show hosts that carry water for the GOP Politburo. The Constitution protects our liberty and safety. Ron Paul is a Constitutionalist extraordinaire. He is the last person you can accuse of wanting to infringe upon our liberties and safety.

"Right in their own eyes'... comes from Judges. You should not be spouting scriptural references while spreading such lies and untruths. Nothing turns us against the Christian faith than those who feign to be believers but cheer state-authorized assassinations, lobby for foreign wars against oil rich nations, regardless of the loss of lives of our soldiers and hundred of thousands of innocent women and children, and incite hatred against the Muslim faith. Love your enemies. Do good to them that hate you. There is more love in the hearts of the Paulites (children of darkness) that the hoards of warmongers in the Religious Right

Plano TX

Just posted this and it was accepted:

9thID"Please spare us your hypocrisy. I will never be lectured on religion, morality, and compassion by an amoral secular humanist, and baby killer like yourself. Take your America-hating diatribes and spew them from France...
1 person liked this."

My reply to 9thID:
What's the difference? Killing babies in New York or on the streets of Baghdad and Teheran? I fight for the life of the unborn and the lives of the innocent caught up in the Bush/Cheney oil wars. My wife is a volunteer at a pregnancy resource center, every week saving babies, one baby at a time and often the soul of the mother. Your Jesus lectured the hypocrites. That's what He would be doing here today to those who spew hatred and death in the name of God.

Plano TX

I don't like how Paul

I don't like how Paul continues to associate bin laden with 911 - he was not involved with 911.

I don't like it either, but

here's the reality: our media treats 9/11 truthers EXACTLY the same way they treat Holocaust deniers. (And dare I say, for EXACTLY the same reasons?)

Paul has enough hurdles to jump without adding this one.

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition by Larken Rose

Ignorance abounds

in the comments on that board. Example: " You didn't hear Ron Paul complaining when the Bush administration was condoning torture"
Most of these people don't realize 1, This guy is only "suspected of doing these thing." 2.He or his father had asked for representation from the ACLU and the administration refused. There should be much more coming out about this story. I hope the ACLU will not let it go.

ACLU

ACLU's statement about this: http://www.aclu.org/national-security/aclu...

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He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression.
Frontline: The Untouchables

They don't want me to post this... censorship...

This type of killing just inspires more acts of terror.

Do not repay evil with evil, is the kind of rule that befits American values. We have a Constitution that prescribes the limits of the State. Those who swear an oath to defend the Constitution ought to keep that oath.

I find it puzzling that so many people cheering this assassination are what I call warmongering pro-life Christians. They want to protect life in the womb (I have no problem with that), but promote holy wars abroad that kill a million innocent people and in their pursuit after oil, for the benefit of the war profiteers and other corporate interests.

After eight years of war, we are no safer, no closer to building respect and friendship among Muslim nations, no closer to paying for the $2 trillion of debt caused by these illegal wars racked up and no closer to changing the intentions of militants to commit acts of terror against us. No, this does not send a message to terrorists. This just emboldens them.

Under the Third Reich, freedom of speech, disarmament of population, warrantless searches, the suspension of due process and the killing of citizens by the State became the norm. Our Constitution specifically protects us from such a government. During WWI and WWII many of our Constitutional rights were trampled upon, which is why Sinclair Lewis said that war is the health of the State. Under the so-called war on terror, US citizens become "people of interests" and as such become targets for State authorized assassinations. These bloodthirsty individuals with no respect for the Constitution (until their rights are violated) happily come to the defense of the State. It is incomprehensible.

Plano TX

This guy was assassinated because somebody wrote a memo.

If there is a clearer sign that we have completely devolved into banana republic status, I haven't found it.

Question

Did he pose an immediate threat? -(Tennessee v. Garner)

If not, it's a criminal act to kill him.

MSM= propaganda

When it occassionally seems to be something other than propaganda, that's only to throw people off and make them think it is objective.

Since the media is controlled by the corporatocracy, we cannot expect it to ever seriously condemn serious atrocities like this- the death of the US justice system.

The comments are

terrifying.

I know it breaks the little

I know it breaks the little bleeding hearts of you Paulistas every time an Islamofascist terrorist dies, but they want to die for their religion so they can get grapes and virgins. The guy got what he wanted, so be happy for him.

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You of the "They-Us" religion are simple

dupes of merciless murderers who front the behemoth empire for profit. You imagine a beneficent god-like Power that protects and cares for you. In reality you merely are a useful tax slave, expendable at will. Many of the Muslims you've been propagandized to fear are as duped as you, by their own overlords.

Fear is the tactic used by major religions and governments of the world, for the same purpose: keep "their" citizen-slaves passively producing wealth for the Masters.

what breaks my bleeding heart is

Our president basically just told every one of us that he can kill us anytime,anywhere for any reason or no reason at all as far as we'll ever know and is being defended for that position.

Hey fatboy...

you must have some Santorum build-up around your eyes, you cant see straight.

I'd rather have a bottle in front o' me than a frontal lobotomy
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The issue we're crying about here

is the fact that the rule of law has been trampled upon. The Justice system runs on law and precedent, and with this event, the precedent has been set saying that it is okay for the United States to call a United States citizen a criminal, and to execute him without even holding a trial to determine his guilt. Even a robber caught red handed on video gets a trial. They don't just lock him up; they grant him the assumption of innocence until guilt is proven. If his guilt is as obvious as everyone says it is, they could easily prove it in court. This is one of the principles of American justice that made this country so wonderful.

How would you feel if the cops out of the blue accused you of rape, and swept in and jailed you for 20yrs, not granting you the right to defend yourself in court, justifying it by saying that "he's a menace to society and these people don't deserve to live?" and you never had the chance to defend yourself?

If Awlaki was guilty of everything they accused him of, it would have been no problem for us to arrest him, charge him, try him, and prosecute him under the law. That would have been a true victory for America.

Now the precedent has been set that our gov't can assassinate us! US Citizens as long as they say we're guilty. The government accuses innocent people all the time for crimes! That's why we have due process so we can have a chance to prove our innocence, or show our guilt. Everyone should be concerned by this killing. Our government is OUT OF CONTROL!

Presumption Of Innocence ...

... Means the accuser ( government in this instance) bears the burden of proof to establish one guilty according to the law. The accused need not prove innocence. One may debate whether that should be the American standard of justice, but if you believe in the Rule of Law, you are not free to disregard the procedure. That is the Process Due.

The reality is that the new standard, by acquiescence, is ‘ Might Makes Right,’… the Law of Rule.