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Can we influence Occupy Wall Street to endorse Ron Paul?

Can we influence Occupy Wall Street to endorse Ron Paul?

There is much common ground between Ron Paul's message and the passion behind the protesters. However they are calling out "Corporate Greed" without realizing the "standard" solution to this is more government power! We all know that Ron Paul's solution of smaller government is the antidote to the kind of "Corporate Greed" they are angry about.

So, those who know some protesters or can attend is it possible that Ron Paul's message can be spread through the crowd? Perhaps the ideas can spread fast enough to get a vocalized endorsement!

www.occupywallst.org

UPDATE: Thanks 'dogster' (re: "Ron should show up") I reckon that's brilliant. He won't be preaching to the choir but many people will connect with much of his message!

dogster: "Ron should show up and shake hands
He could urge people to register as Republicans for the NY primary (deadline Oct 14). He might even get national coverage.
Bad coverage is better than no coverage.

He should also do an interview with Max Keiser."

Please vote this up! Imagine Ron Paul there how huge the effect could be! Whether the media covers it or not. Why shouldn't a Presidential candidate address a group of distressed people in the streets?

It would seem to me to be a high priority duty of a representative perhaps especially a presidential candidate.

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On his way to an Occupation of Federal Reserve Bank ;))

It might be good for Ron Paul to show, and make an educational statement, informing them that the source of the problem is not wall street, but the Federal Reserve bank, and then ask them to follow him there, to continue to Rally to Audit the IRS.

Considering how wacky things are in America,

I wouldn't want Ron Paul to show up there. Police might club him, too, and the media wouldn't even mention he was there.

Ron needs to go there and ask for their support.

The sooner the better. The deadline for registering as a Republican is October 14. I'm afraid Ron is relying on his old friends for advice again and will blow a perfect opportunity.

Famous Quote from Justice William O. Douglas

"The Constitution is not neutral.
It was designed to take the government
off the backs of people."

NO! For Pete's sake, it is not a PAC.

These people are sick of BOTH PARTIES and they understand the elections are rigged (a fact the dear doctor seems to not quite grasp.)
Can you get some or maybe most of the INDIVIDUALS involved to embrace the liberty based ideas that Ron Paul supports? Probably. But it is NOT an "organization." It is a realization by the masses. There is no one voice of OWS, it is the splendid assimilation of the dissimilar.
Go join your peeps, there are a LOT of people down there just like you, even if they are not like you at all.

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.

I think you nailed it.

I have never supported the status quo, I have always voted independent.

When you say, "Its a realization by the masses", I have to agree.

Get out and meet your neighbors. Get out and discuss our future.

Find common ground, and resolve to work towards that common ground.

Occupy Toledo

I'm putting together a group of people to hand out RP literature at the October 10th Toledo rally. Anyone is to join us in extending a olive branch to our progressive friends. While I may not agree with all of their talking points, people are rising up because something is rotten in the state of America. We should do our best to spread the message of Liberty to them, if the only talking points they ever hear are from the far Left then how can they ever be enlightened. An energy of youth is building in this country, lets not let it be hijacked by the uber Left.

RON PAUL!!!!

These people are looking for a leader. Please go tell them the truth and bring our sides together to win.

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

People on this forum are blind.

To not see those who would help us.

Occupy Wall Street and The Daily Paul have much in common.

See post below.

But what is the most offensive entity on the planet today?

I would argue, that it is the Federal Reserve.

And the protestors in Boston apparently agree.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpbhRVKwvBA&feature=feedu

I just posted my thoughts the Occupy movement

Responding to a FB friend regarding the Occupy Together Movement...

I just read a little bit about the Occupy Together movement and it seems to be what I thought it was. Tax the rich, give to the poor (a very left idea that makes no sense). There is no such thing as a tax on the rich. Any tax increase to business is simply passed on to the consumer. So when government raises taxes on corporations they simply raise prices, kill job growth, move overseas, and reduce sales. Everyone ends up in a worse position than they started.

Read more...

http://www.dailypaul.com/181139/my-thoughts-on-the-occupy-to...

Occupy Wall Street was encouraged by "Adbusters"...

..who are against these stupid wars we are involved in. They are against corporate corruption. Actually, when you think about it, a "corporation" is a government created entity that goes against Liberty and Freedom, because it shields individuals from being liable for their wrongdoings and poor choices. If you had no corporations, the owners would be liable; they would then hire good people and train their help better to avoid accidents, mishaps, corruption, theft. lying, etc.. The way I see it, there is no place for a "corporation" in a truly Free Market environment. The playing field should be level and equal, where nobody can buy themselves an elevated position, where they are protected by the government for their wrongdoings and mishaps.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adbusters

"I support the Declaration of Independence and I interpret the Constitution."

agree

The corporation is a relic of the power grants from feudalism and not an agent of individual rights.

Won't work

It's impossible to control anonymous. Trust me I've known pre-image board members and they are the ones who tell you that. You might be able to convince individual protesters to support Ron Paul but controlling the protest is an absolute impossibility, only a madman would even try. Basically with anonymous you can make a suggestion but people have to support it including people with technical skills to make it happen. Really, no one will even notice the idea is there if no one else likes it. These protests are like a physical extension of anonymous' body.

Convincing individuals

yes, that's the plan. If they were the type who just went along with the masses, they'd be watching Dancing With the Stars instead of hitting the streets. "Control" is what the bad guys do. We don't want to do that. We want to influence and educate.

Defend Liberty!

Bingo

Maybe not so much influence as educate. But yeah basically that's it. Also another note, timing matters, you can show up early while there are still a lot of govt plants and talk to passers-by or you can go after blowback has occurred from using govt plants. Same as EHM theory, the amt of violence used by the govt will increase the less that their plants can exert social force on the crowd.

Distorted changed coverage of mass arrests by the NYT aka

the yellow whore:

http://freakoutnation.com/2011/10/02/new-york-times-edits-th...

Highlighted portion on the left is the true story, dissappeared down the memory hole.

WINSTON SMITH LIVES and is a tool of the NYT.

The stench of fear, even from the left wing establishment, is strong.

YES! If we are goingto make a

YES! If we are goingto make a change, we MUST do it via 99percent and the occupywallst. THIS is going to be a HUGE movement as was teh Tea Party, except there won't be any co-opting of it, as it is EXACTLY what the folks in control want.

We need to FLOOD this place with pics so they can become educated.

http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/submit

Go here, submit a picture and follow their rules, but INCLUDE references to Ron Paul and things like this:
http://mises.org/daily/4213

WE MUST EDUCATE THE PEOPLE!!!

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From the outset this Occupation was already

co-opted, since the sole target was Wall Street instead of a combo WallSt/Fed/D.C. protest. The Communist and organized socialist cadres are always working to co-opt every segment of political organization.
But their very authoritarian basis may trip them up, our libertarian message may have a chance. It will take brave, strong efforts to influence the masses toward rational, productive protest of the full alliance of culprits.

Not sure why you were

Not sure why you were downvoted. Perhaps you ought to turn down the enthusiasm a bit. Although, personally, I suspect it's because you're actually comparing this movement to the tea party (which the parallels are certainly there) and several RP supporters are still bitter about how that was hijacked.

Never forget:

To disagree, one doesn't have to be disagreeable.


- Barry Goldwater

I am so jaded

Radiohead? Michael Moore? Roseanne Bar? Public Unions?

This revolution is brought to you by Subway, "eat fresh!"

SKEPTICAL!

I never got an email about occupy wall street, or saw a facebook ad, or saw a meetup thing or anything. It was all started by public unions, and it just seems like a bunch of liberal douchebags trying to dress like Che Guevara bragging about how late they stayed out the night before. Beware of false revolution.

And yet, 2 years ago, I'm

And yet, 2 years ago, I'm sure more than few liberals were reading about the nascent tea party protests thinking almost the exact same thing:

"Glenn Beck? Ted Nugent? Koch Brothers?

This revolution is brought to you by Chamber of Growth.

SKEPTICAL!

I never got an email about the tea party, or saw a facebook ad, or saw a meetup thing or anything. It was all started by corporations, and it just seems like a bunch of bigoted white people trying to dress like Thomas Paine bragging about their home-made picket signs. Beware of false revolution."

Own up to it. If THEY accused the tea party of being rigidly partisan and close-minded, how are we proving them wrong by treating them the exact same way?

Someone always has to sacrifice the last word if it means breaking the cycle and lifting ourselves out of this base, partisan atmosphere we're in. Wouldn't that be real change for once? But from what I'm seeing around here, most RP supporters would rather indulge in the same circle jerking that the other side does.

Never forget:

To disagree, one doesn't have to be disagreeable.


- Barry Goldwater

You would have found out if

you didn't use these services to interact on the internet

http://anonops.blogspot.com/

This is where most of the protesters came from originally. Now people who just want to protest are jointing.

This has links to various articles that covered the formation pre-protest. You'll have to dig in the latest external news sources.

http://anonnews.org/

I hear you

Not saying it would be a pleasurable job in the least but a useful opportunity nonetheless.

Ron and Ralph Nader should attend together

Solidarity against the machine!

History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.
Dwight D. Eisenhower

Ralph Nader summary?

Can anyone create a new topic which summarized what Ralph Nader is all about relative to Ron Paul? I've scantly followed Ralph's message I have little idea about him.

Ralph Nader isn't a message man

Ralph Nader is an activist, a consumer advocate, author, and four time presidential candidate. His latest book is, "Only The Super-Rich can save us". He took an interest in politics when Ross Perot bought (consumer) a soap box for the 1992 election.

Jimmy Carter was interested in Nader, but Nader, "sold out" to Nixon. Nader's brillant idea was consumer advocate businesses.. Nixon "bought" the idea and that's where the EPA, OSHA, some 31 organizations Nader "invented".

Nader was for decades, esteemed for his problem solving, and trhen in Y2K, Democrats blamed Nader, saying he "spoiled" the elec tion for Gore. The loathing remains from the Democrats... Nader is also remembered for claiming, "There is no difference between the parties". He has never joined a political party.

POINT of ORIGIN matters.

It does not originate with Ron Paul. He cannot claim what is not his, or he defeats himself. That is precisely what these communist leaders want.

They want to claim the middle class, not for Ron Paul but for Obama. It is classic Communist tacktic, to bait and switch. They creep themselves in unaware to claim the prize.
SERPENT LIKE. It is from the serpent who watches over with the great Horned Owl. He wears the colors green and white because he wants to look pure and bright, but he is full of ENVEY.

Ron Paul doesn't want to claim them

he wants them to claim him - as their representative. I know what you are saying many of them won't budge a little and will try their best to spin it against him but (imho) there are many genuine folk out there who will listen and subsequently join the RP revolution.

I'm not going to go into similarities because

there are non. Our most basic premis is to take responsiblity for one's own actions and decisions.

The people and demands of this group clearly want to transfer what they did as a pre-collapse economy adult and transfer it to someone else. They feel wronged for borrowing on what they had not thought through. Now they want to blame the rest of us who saw it coming. It is all liberal ideology at work. They have beaten themselves up with their own actions. Of course some people were scamed but they let themselves be scamed.

So do what you think you need to do, but don't call it DR. PAUL.

Michael Moore and AL Sharpton a spokesman for Liberty and Freedom, similar to Ron Paul? I don't think so.

The people and demands of

The people and demands of this group clearly want to transfer what they did as a pre-collapse economy adult and transfer it to someone else. They feel wronged for borrowing on what they had not thought through.

Isn't this one of the whole overriding themes of Austrian economics and praxeology as a whole though? Or more specifically, the notion that perverse incentives can cause a normally well-adjusted person to make irrational decisions? Isn't this a textbook case of moral hazard?

Let's face it: these people are like prospective patients. Paul is a doctor. What you are suggesting is that those who got sick are already a lost cause, which if that were true, I'd be surprised if more than half of Ron Paul's base of support would even exist today. So by all accounts, why shouldn't we get involved somehow?

We don't have to endorse their message anymore than Ralph Nader or Noam Chomsky has to endorse Paul's views on entitlements or abortion. That is not what we are there to discuss. And all three of those guys know it. Maybe you should ask yourselves why it always takes someone of Paul or Nader or Chomsky's age to figure out that you can build coalitions without being in perfect agreement.

Sure, Moore is a tool, but you know what? He's a tool the same way Glenn Beck is, and I don't remember anyone quitting the tea party (even though Paul's supporters were on board before he was) over that alone.

The point is, by giving into this whole notion that these are partisan movements, we are essentially allowing it to become a self-fulling prophecy. If you remember, the people who initially coalesced under the tea party banner didn't do so purely in the spirit of being taxed too much, but of a whole list of other offenses perpetrated by the federal government.

Granted, there weren't many liberals involved in those initial protests to start with. But where are they now? All gone. The liberal tea partiers are all extinct, because that's precisely what the establishment wanted. It cleans up the narrative much nicer that way.

Now, we have the benefit of hindsight. Yes, it's all policital theater for the most part for some large unions and it's probably a ready-made gift basket for the DNC... so what? If we are to TRULY follow Ron Paul's examples, isn't this naturally the best place to do so?

I don't think Paul need make an appearance himself, but that's more for pragmatic reasons regarding his schedule and his focus on courting GOP voters right now. But that doesn't mean WE can't be an active voice in this movement and help diversify it.

Be careful now and reflect once again on your stern opposition. Because whether you realize it or not, what you are saying ("I'm not going to go into similarities because there are [none]"..."It is all liberal ideology at work") is exactly the kind of rhetoric that makes progressives leery of supporting Paul in the first place.

Therefore, unless you are against organizations like Blue Republicans or Democrats for Ron Paul, what you are doing here can at best be written off to your inconsistency, or at worst, a dark example of how much hypocrisy there is within our movement.

Never forget:

To disagree, one doesn't have to be disagreeable.


- Barry Goldwater

WE HAVE COMMON GROUND !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

People are fed up with the Federal Government, and as you say for different reasons. You say, as do I, that the government does too much. They say that in some instances, the government doesnt do enough.

But it is intellectually dishonest to say that our group and their group have no common ground.

The full text of their demands is listed in another comment below.

But how about this:

They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.

LEGAL QUESTION

They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses.

THE DAILY PAUL HATES THE BAILOUTS

They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one’s skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation.

INDIVIDUALS HAVE RIGHTS GIVEN BY THEIR CREATOR

They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.

FLOURIDE, GMO'S, anybody?

They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless animals, and actively hide these practices.

I EAT MEAT, BUT I DON'T WANT ANIMALS TO LIVE IN CRUEL CONDITIONS.

They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions.

EMPLOYEES SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO NEGOTIATE FOR BETTER PAY.

They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.

I DISAGREE WITH THIS "RIGHT". NOBODY IS HOLDING THEM HOSTAGE, THEY KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING, WHEN THEY AGREED TO TAKE THE LOAN.

They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers’ healthcare and pay.

THE JOBS LOST WON'T BE COMING BACK WITHOUT SOMEONE LIKE DR. PAUL AT THE HELM.

They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility.

CORPORATIONS HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS AS CITIZENS?

They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance.

TRUE.

They have sold our privacy as a commodity.

TRUE.

They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press.

"FREE SPEECH ZONES"?

They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit.

THE GOVERNMENT IS OWNED, HERE I DISAGREE WITH THEM, THE GOVERNMENT IS BEING CALLED ON TO PROTECT US IN OUR PURCHASES. I SAY, LET THE BUYER BEWARE, AND HONEST LITIGATION CAN DESTROY OFFENDING MANUFACTURERS

They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce.

END THE FED

They have donated large sums of money to politicians, who are responsible for regulating them.

EXPOSE THE PUPPETS

They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil.

ENCOURAGE INVENTORS

They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives or provide relief in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantial profit.

MEDICARE AND MEDICAID COST SO MUCH BECAUSE THE DRUG COMPANIES HAVE PAID OFF OUR GOVERNMENT TO PASS LAWS THAT FORBID COMPETITION IN THE SOURCING OF DRUGS.

They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit.

WE NEED A REAL JUSTICE DEPARTMENT

They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media.

CONTROL OF THE MEDIA? ANYONE?!?

They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt.

TORTURE, RENDITION, ASSASSINATION? ANYONE PAYING ATTENTION?

They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad. They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas.

ENDLESS WAR? ANYONE AWAKE HERE?

They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts. *
.

MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX.

So how many of these items do you disagree with?

IT IS INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST TO SAY THERE IS NO COMMON GROUND.

REACH OUT AND GROW THE RANKS.

BUT I GUESS SOME PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO GET INVOLVED, THEY JUST WANT TO SIT ON THEIR COUCHES AND SPOUT NONSENSE, INSTEAD OF ACTUALLY GETTING UP AND DOING SOMETHING.