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Ron Paul and the Occupy Wall Street protest by Doug Wead

Now what are all of those people doing camped out on Wall Street? Are they socialists? Commies? Anarchists? Left, right? For some reason the television news people don’t like them, which makes me sympathize. What’s going on?

I’ll explain.

Let’s say you are a young couple, newly married, anxious to get your piece of the American dream. And let’s say you decide to open your own hamburger stand.

Your first obstacle will be a maze of federal regulations. They are all well intended, helping out the disabled, protecting the environment, providing for workers’ health. The problem is that there are too many of them and they cost too much.

http://dougwead.wordpress.com/2011/10/03/ron-paul-and-the-oc...

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iT IS THIS SIMPLE

Restore the Constitution and the money would take care of itself. I hear NOTHING from wallstreeters about restoring the Constitution. END OF STORY for a Ron Paul supporter.
They do not get my sympothy, for the BAD decisions they personally made.
The FIRST thing a person has to learn is to THINK for themelf and their situation BEFORE they go into DEBT.
Grow up and take responsibility for YOUR own actions.
It's the STRONG HOLD of Capitolism.
Otherwise you want Socialism.
If you WANT independance then ACT like it.

Wall Street Protesters

If the protesters aren't protesting the actions of the Federal Reserve, then they're wasting their time and breath. The Fed rules Wall Street, so that's where the focal point of the protests needs to be. The Wall Street protests are well-meaning but misguided.

do you? do you feel like we do?

use all of the non-violent tools at your disposal.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7rFYbMhcG8

Just a bunch of stinkin commies here

Occupy the FED!

Beware of wolf in sheep's clothing

I'm not hitching my hopes to this train. Over on the OWS forum they're is a list of demands that included $20 / hr minimum wage, $1 trillion in infrastructure spending now!, Free college education...

The core of the movement as I see it is tax the rich. I think this is flawed ideology and I explained why yesterday here http://www.dailypaul.com/181139/my-thoughts-on-the-occupy-to...

End the Fed!

Right. The majority of these protesters are pushing Obama's agenda for more taxes on the middle class along with a VAT... a pure globalist agenda. The majority of these protesting stooges are from MoveOn.org and sponsored by Wall Street hacks like Soros who's pushing Obama's agenda. With that said, our movement has a great opportunity to redirect these calls for taxes on the middle class ("wealthy" in Obamaspeak) to a verbal assault on the real culprit of this economic mess, the Federal Reserve. End the Fed!

wow only $20 / hr minimum wage?

I need to approach them with my $1,000,000 / hr min wage idea. That way we only need to work one hour a year and we'd all be rich! It'd give these hippies even more time to spend protesting for more free stuff from the Gov't.

HHHeeyy..those ain't hippies.

HHHeeyy..those ain't hippies. Hippies are mostly gone. Hippies did not want welfare and government gifts. They wanted waaay less laws, peace, love, and to be left alone! These people want BIG government daddies.

Don't worry!

With the way they plan to spend money, printing up a trillion for this and a trillion for that, like they say in their other "demands", inflation will have that minimum wage up to a million per hour in no time!

I'm waiting for their next "demand", which will probably be free X-Boxes for life, and get paid for playing them.

Paid to play Xbox.....

Be careful BigT you might give them some ideas. lol

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/27/chinese-prisoners-f...

Most! But not all at WallStreetRallies are Uneducated!

I was Watching the news a couple days ago. And I noticed that there was ONE person in the protest holding a "Ron Paul/END THE FED" sign. I'm surprised the camra man didn't zoom away!

I saw some "End the Fed" signs, too.

But I think this is a big socialist protest. There might be a few Ron Paul supporters there, but I think there are a lot of confused people out there, being used as pawns in a globalist agenda.

Ann in Florida

If the TV News Indoctrinators Don't Like Something

The viewers can generally bet that something has merit. LoL! I, too, tend to sympathize with a view largely opposing the one expressed by anchors of the mass media. Personally, I evaluate each incident on it's own merits, but a viewer will be generally correct if he simply takes a view opposite from the one being promoted by the mass media.

Not to undermine Doug's

Not to undermine Doug's point, but it isn't like there aren't 100s of family-owned, small burger joints around the US.

When it comes to regulations like environmental regulations, that is just protecting the environment. No one has the right to pollute. In fact, regulations allow companies TO pollute...in a free market, they would have no right at all. This would hamper every company, big or small.

When it comes to helping out the disabled, the regulations are so minor that they are not worth mentioning. Seriously, demanding that businesses have wheelchair access or are non-discriminatory towards crippled people is hardly a burden on business. There are no statistics to back this up, but I think this makes sense from a logical standpoint.

Worker's rights: So let us say that the government demands that companies give health insurance and provide a minimum wage. The argument is that small companies cannot pay for these things, and therefore, go out of business. However, without government intervention, what would prevent big companies from acquiring those workers in the first place? If a big company can offer higher wages, better healthcare, etc. it is going to be very difficult for the smaller companies to compete anyways.

White collar jobs already, by the market, demand much more than what government mandates companies pay.

One could argue that government still plays a role in hampering businesses that hire mostly blue-collar workers. They could hire some very unskilled workers that are not desired by big companies for lower wages. But look at a company like McDonalds, which is not the worst-paying company (starting average pay is over federal minimum wage, for example). The average cost for non-managerial employees who work 40 hours a week is US$27,000. That includes salary, benefits, payroll tax match, sick leave, cost of building operations, insurance, etc. And, it doesn't include tax breaks that companies get for hiring people who are disabled, rehabbed criminals, etc.

That comes down to 13 dollars an hour for each worker. If you can't manage to pay your workers 13 dollars (including EVERYTHING, like the cost of maintaining bathrooms, safety training, their uniform) an hour, what kind of business are you?

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

I agree and disagree

While its definitely not a high priority the Americans with Disabilities Act is an extremely bad piece of legislation. Makes everyone a walking lawsuit. People call me uncompassionate but I've dedicated my entire career to the Deaf population so I've seen the damage and I'm in a position to criticizes.

Yeah, BUT....

...how many of those burger joints were established in the last year? With all of the new "food safety" regulations that were just passed, (and I'm sure there are umpteen others that would make it exponentially harder to start a business and keep it going), I'm sure it is a lot harder today than it would have been 15 years ago or more to compete with the likes of McDonalds. For PETE"S SAKE. Today you can't even have a lemonade stand without a f#####g permit!

In regards to food in

In regards to food in particular, it is harder today because demand is lower, commodities prices are soaring high (not just due to the federal reserve, but due to problems in Europe and the Middle East), and people with fewer dollars in their pocket are choosing bang-for-buck over niche (which is where small places can often beat larger places).

What specific food legislation are you talking about? At the state level, there have been regulations against HFCS and trans fats (as well as other things), but if anything, those bans should hurt big food companies since they thrive off serving food loaded with fats, sugar, and salt. Healthy food is more the business of smaller companies.

The biggest legislation hurting business growth is Obamacare, which forces employers to pay for health insurance (since workers are not skilled enough to demand healthcare at this point). However, especially for a small company, that can't be a significant cost.

Ultimately, it is harder to form businesses in this economy because the economy sucks. Under Clinton and Bush, we had a growing and thriving economy; people spending all their money, the federal reserve pumping money into the economy; everyone having fun at the party. Now that party is over, and everyone is feeling the hangover.

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

You DO have a moral right to

You DO have a moral right to pollute your own property, not the property of others.

What?

How can it be moral to pollute anyone's property?

Uh, if you own your property

Uh, if you own your property shouldn't you be able to do anything you want to it? If your pollution spreads to affect another then you should be held liable.

Yeah, but what kind of

Yeah, but what kind of pollution only affects you in the boundaries of your property, and not others?

Especially industrial pollution; smoke, smog, etc. These affect the air of every living creature on this good Earth. The same with pesticides, fertilizers, etc. Sterilizers, slug, waste, etc. all cause pollution.

My point is, the vast majority of pollution that we realistically encounter does not fall under your definition.

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

A Word of Caution

Here is one of the comments to Doug's article, which I believe is at the crux of the situation. The organizers of OWS are in no way sympathetic to our cause.

"Doug, I’d like to share an exchange with you from earlier this morning on facebook. It was between a girl I know from the ‘punk rock’ scene in NYC. She is one of the main organizers of Occupy Wall Street. She invited me to help with this months ago. After doing my own research, I declined.

Brent Davey
Hey Occupy Wall Street– The fascists and oligarchs appreciate all of the work you’re doing for them.
Like · · 3 hours ago

NAME WITHHELD·
Care to explain?
3 hours ago ·

Brent Davey
Because although crime is rampant on Wall Street, no one is asking what these specific crimes are or how they work. Greed is not just a quality of Wall Street, we all share responsibility for this mess we’re in. You want the government to protect you from big business. That won’t happen because they live in a symbiotic relationship with big business. Fascism, if you care about accurate definitions. But to the people down there that I interviewed, anyone that makes money is evil. That is intellectually sloppy and counterproductive to freedom. If Apple and facebook operated like that you wouldn’t be able to use their products to spread your message. To make everyone economically equal through democratic means is their goal. Egalitarianism. The fascists and oligarchs benefit from this kind of sentiment because they are in the position to provide goods and services with little to no competition. You get what you get. You pay what it costs. Occupy Wall street wants guaranteed things. They don’t care what that does to prices, because everything is “free.” Well nothing is free unless you advocate slavery. And then it still isn’t free. The situation in the economy is going to get much worse, and too many people think this is because of capitalism. It’s not. Privileged corporations and massive government agencies (that were instituted under the auspices of protecting people from the very things they’re doing) are the cause. The Federal Reserve and the Pentagon are on the top of that list, but there and many, many other Praetorian agencies are rampant criminals and are sucking us dry. Occupy wallstreet wants fairness. That is a subjective and childish demand. What you should be demanding is rule of law. If you want more government to protect us from the obvious ills that’s just asking for more foxes to protect the hen house. Theft, coercion and murder need to be outlawed. You and I probably disagree on how to bring fairness and a fighting chance back, but i think there are more pressing matters that we will agree on. I will get down with your cause if you support the Ralph Nader, Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich coalition. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLdcB0ln9t8&feature=player_em...
Nader, Ron Paul, Kucinich Speak to Occupy Wall Street
http://www.youtube.com
Ralph Nader, Ron Paul, and Dennis Kucinich offer words of wisdom to the Occupy Wall Street movement. The Occupy Wall Street movement has tremendous potential…
2 hours ago
NAME WITHHELD
good luck with that! You missed the point! I should have gone with my gut on you! Now I will. Where can I send cookies for your tea party? Your response was rude and winded there for went in one ear and out the other.
about an hour ago · Ps its not a cause its a reality and its growing and you are not the only one it scares.
about an hour ago · Like

Brent Davey
My intention is not to be rude, and I really don’t think I was. I’m just calling it like I see it, on my own facebook page. I’m not a part of any party. I just believe in freedom. Majority rule does not work in mental institutions.
about an hour ago · Like · 1 person
Brent Davey And by the way, I advocated a coalition of three people. Ralph Nader, who ran for president in the Green Party. Ron Paul, a republican. And Dennis Kucinich, democrat. But you want to label me a member of the tea party. Who’s the one that thinks on party lines? That type of attack is called ad hominem. It is a logical fallacy, and strangely enough, widely considered rude."

If we all realize that these people are not interested in deep understanding of the cause, they prefer knee-jerk reactions and the least amount of thought. I thought we were supposed to be the intellectually superior of politician supporters; wasting time with these individuals would be just that; a waste of time. I cannot help but to be reminded of the adage, "If you dance with the Devil the Devil doesn't change, the Devil changes you."

OK, I give in..

I suppose I'll have to go along with this DP consensus here that turning communist is the only way forward, that we better all get behind this Occupy Wall St and Occupy the rest of the world for the betterment of communism.
I admit I had trouble with forcing business to pay $20 per hour wages to worthless help, stealing tax money to give "free" college educations to people who can't spell "I", and the trillion dollars in "infrastructure" payments to unions, and the whole "command economy" thing, etc.
But, you all have shown me the errors of my ways.
Communism is the way.

Ya got me.
I give in to your peer pressure.

We want an intellectual revolution right?

I don't know about you but I wasn't always libertarian, I had very different idea's on many things. The point is we can reach some of these people maybe change peoples minds about being commies. If not libertarian help them become kucinich and Nader style greens and democrats, people we can unite
with...

The point is that wall street aught be protested but not as it's capitalist as it's a crony corporatist corrupt system, it's a Fed funded, easy money fuelled casino where the house always wins...

Many of them aught be in jail for their role in the financial scams that were exposed in the collapse.

I agree

that these banksters should be in jail.
Is there some reason that it's preferable to "reach out" to these hard-leftists as some sort of "hail Mary pass" where maybe 1 out of a million might think about liking us?
I thought RP was running for the Republican nomination, but I might be wrong. Maybe he's actually running CPUSA?
It's not really the masses of leftists in the protest that concern me, because it's a leftist protest.
What worries me is the amount of leftist promoters here on the DP. The left is NOT pro-freedom in any way.
If Rick Santorum and Rick Perry were doing this fake protest routine, would anybody be recommending that we all go show "solidarity" with them, and see if we might convert some neocons? Something tells me, no.
Yet, these people are no better than neocons, and perhaps worse.

Nice to see you accepted the error of your ways...

Here's the Occupy Wall Street Anthem for you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkq3Y2vRpv8

Just because these OWS people are ignorant in economics, liberty, and our republic doesn't mean we all shouldn't join them in their ignorance. Just pick up a gun and put it to your neighbors head and force them to pay for your healthcare, education, or whatever else you think you need. We are the 99%(whatever the f... that means).

I would be with them if I could

Marched against the Vietnam war in Champaign,Il. I wish all of us Ron Paul supporters had the courage these people do!

Jim Rogers

I guess we differ on our definition of courage...

I see nothing courageous about forcing another individual(though Gov't violence) to pay for your healthcare or your college tuition. OWS people are just little ignorant children crying for more free stuff from their Gov't masters.

Doug Wead has been just a gem

to have in the RP tool box. Even better that his editorials appear in Newsmax.... an REAL Neocon rag!! Changing hearts and minds is where it's at, ladies and gentlemen!

Thomas Jefferson: “Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever."

Viva La Revolucion!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmaTNf4YhEs

Great Article!

Every Liberal Democrat should Read this Article! It very Clearly, and Simply, Explains what it is like for a small buisiness Man (Like Myself) to Run a Company.