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Stay Skeptical! Anonymous Could Be Federal Agents

Think about it, we all know how pissed off this nation is at the Federal Government. It makes perfect sense that the Federal Government needs to be the "answer," or our "hero." When the government needs an enemy, they create one. And it all results in more power.

My point is, stay skeptical. All we can do is speculate at these theatrics. Be careful about jumping on this bandwagon. If this is "the collapse," as another DP member questioned, then the Bilderbergers are no doubt behind it.

Also, I mean no offense to the "reasonable" protesters out there (because I know it is a somewhat diverse group), but from the videos I've watched, these protesters (generally speaking) appear as though they had not bathed in weeks, and that was on day one. They at least appear to fit the term "useful idiots" quite well.

...And one more observation... Has anyone else noticed that these protestors are protesting "greed" rather than the loss of our individual liberties at the hands of a powerful government? There are two options in this world: Capitalism and Government. They're protesting Capitalism (or, their perverted understanding of it), thus they must default to believing the government is the solution.

(Please understand that I am using great generalizations here. I know that not all protesters and protests around the nation would fit this. That being said, I have noticed that the End the Fed protests are being grouped in the same camp as the Wall Street protest by the media. So all of you Liberty minded activists be careful and watch out!)




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COINTELPRO operates a certain way

Please see here.

They are not hard to spot once you get the hang of it.

http://www.dailypaul.com/123770/fbi-cointelpro-infiltrators-...

reedr3v's picture

I am skeptical. For all I know YOU could be

a federal agent.

You have too much

faith in Federal bureaucracy. I can't image any agency competent enough to successfully pull off what what a bunch of teenagers have......

Yeah you're probably right

The government isn't capable of much of anything at all... not of slowly taking our rights away, not of spying on us and getting away with us... let alone convince us that it is better for us to be spied upon..., not of expanding out military beyond that of any other nation in the history of the world... or actually be able to convince us that it's in our best interest...

Not to mention the purity of our our government's motives... I think you're right, I tend to think they're a little more incapable of ruining lives than they really are.

...Please forgive me for the way I'm speaking, but I'm a littler irritated at many of the sarcastic comments below. While yours was less insulting, it just kind of topped all the rest off.

"He did not come into the world to condemn it, but to save it." - John 3:17

"Well, you know it's like I always say 'it ain't government work if you don't have to do it twice.'" - Jerry Gergich

(accidental repost)

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"He did not come into the world to condemn it, but to save it." - John 3:17

"Well, you know it's like I always say 'it ain't government work if you don't have to do it twice.'" - Jerry Gergich

Back in the '70's the Rand Corporation

was commissioned for a study to answer the question, "Under what conditions would the American public accept a police stat?". The answer they came up with: There would have to be simultaneously a severe economic crisis and a horrific internal enemy against which only the government could protect them.

How convenient it would be if the enemy was invisible and the attacks were cyber-crimes. That way the "protector" could also be the attacker.

New Hampshire and Ecuador.

Naomi Wolf wrote a book

entitled "End of America" where she goes through the 10 steps that close an open society.

In step 5 she warns us about those who will "infiltrate citizen’s groups".

Be wary of agent provocateurs.

I think most folks are not afraid

of government anymore. Things are coming to a head now and those that have mistreated the populace are about to have the worm turned on them. I think that I would start obeying the constitution or start answering to it later. I think the people are FINALLY hungry enough now to stand up to fear mongering! We can start with King Obombya and work our way through congress and all the way down...

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves." William Pitt in the House of Commons November 18, 1783
"I have one word for you...predator drones. Oh, you think I'm kidding?" Obombya

Wouldn't it be best if..

they'd do whatever their gonna do in "secret"? Why announce it, why the attention seekin'.. ploy? Are they insecure? Prove whatever their gonna do 'n get it over with! Can they play?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3lEqVAroX4&feature=related

technically anyone can play

all you have to do is find the anon ops IRC on the internet. That's why they announce everything they believe in absolute transparency. Actually their structuring could be reproduced in a business setting and would likely result in a strong company with no power structure. The major deficit of this strategy is size, technically there is an absolute limit to the number of people who's wishes can be served by any group depending on the availability of resources that the group has to satisfy the wishes of the members of this group. A decentralized group can only grow to the extent that members can find resources to help themselves advance and gain the assistance of others in the event it becomes necessary. Anonymous always fractures into new groups then merges groups into new groups whenever this deficiency occurs essentially restructuring resources to fit it's current needs in a very short time. I estimate that currently less than 5% of anons are not active and there were somewhere around 3.8 million active anons worldwide at the peak of the 2008 anti-Scientology worldwide protests. Currently there may be as many as 32 million anons worldwide, most concentrated in western nations.

Fine line between skeptical and paranoid

What I choose to to is a decision based upon what is the best opportunity for educating people who are FED up. Who starts any particular movement or protest or nonprofit or church is of little to no interest to me, the people who show up hungry for truth and liberty are my neighbors, my friends, my allies.
Being skeptical is a good idea, I remain skeptical that Ron Paul would actually be the president we all hope he would be, even if elected in rigged elections. As you pointed out, they do create their own "enemy" and Ron Paul has been part of the political machine for 30 years... Maybe he is the ultimate "set up" for us rabble rousers. So what if he is? We rabble rousers still need to get together, and once we do, WE can stand together for what is right.
It is about learning as much truth as you can get your brain around, then acting on it as an example and a teacher.
These protests are calling out the bankers, that is hacking at some serious root.

This is the article that got my posting privileges revoked:
http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2013/05/12/18212165-dr-stan-...

Anonymous is not only comprised of Federal Agents

They are in reality all bankers sit on the board of directors of the Federal Reserve, AIPAC, and Monsanto.

Their mission is to infiltrate the liberty movement, and secretly vaccinate them with nano-weaponized influenza vaccine, add fluoride to their raw milk, and pervert the libertarians to a socialist agenda.

They are also an interesting shade of mauve.

I heard that the "Anonymous" videos on YouTube

are played at special frequency that gets embedded into your subconscious memory and then streams all your dreams and inner thoughts straight to the CIA's "Streamed Thought Database".

Between this and the OWS commies that have taken over the DP, I now know the End Times are finally here.

That's ok

It only becomes a problem if you always let them lead. At the end of the day WE still outnumber them. Let them create their theme or movement, then take it over and make it yours. Just like the OWS. Obviously someone was either lucky or brilliant in how they set this up to get so many involved. If we were smarter we would have went and co-opted a part of it for ourselves. I guess at a level we are with setting up now at the Federal Reserve. Now is the time though to be trying to come up with something new and exciting to get a lot of attention. The country is turning it's eyes on all the protests going on. If they keep getting bigger, just imagine how crazy it's going to be around the time of the elections. There have been many on here that have been saying to not pay attention to the protests and just focus on the campaign. True, but at the same time we still need A LOT more people willing to vote for Ron when it is time and their focus right now is watching the protests or getting involved with them. You don't have to join their protests. START YOUR OWN!! Be creative. Here is an Idea! Would it not be a serious head spinner for us Libertarians/Republicans to put together the largest antiwar protests this country has ever seen? HELLO!! This would be a serious knock to the left that is protesting right now crying about money and greed while there are people still dying in the wars being waged. What should take the Lead in attention? Money or Life? I think most would agree that the biggest and most broad reaching philosophy Ron has is his foreign policy. This is where the power is to win this. I am not downplaying the importance of the economy, but at the end of the day, I have a hard time getting all fired up over funny money when our Mothers and fathers, sisters and brothers, sons and daughters and our neighbors are being killed in these endless wars. Michael Nystrom just posted saying that it's time to stop preaching to the choir. He's right. Right now the choir is screaming about the economy and bailouts and Money. So all this has become is who can scream louder about Money problems. Let us lay on the guilt thick when we start yelling and reminding everyone that we are still at WAR and there are still people needlessly dieing!! What Say You?

"I have found that being rich is not about having the most but about needing the least"

Someone just released an Anon

Someone just released an Anon video saying that someone was putting out fake Anon vids.

yeah so

That's been going on since they were protesting scientology.

So what?

COINTELPRO have repeatedly started brushfires that have consumed them. This is yet another opportunity to advance the cause.

Billy Jack's picture

I could not agree more. I'm

I could not agree more. I'm skeptical of Anonymous, Julian Assange, the "Occupy Wallstreeters," and Herman Former Fed Director Cain.

Cos Cob, CT

all right, I'll . . . ask--

who IS 'anon' or 'anonymous'?

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

In short,

anybody and everybody who chooses to be.

IIRC it originated as mostly a 4chan thing, back when they'd go around attacking sites and arrogant/stupid/pathetic people "for the lulz".

Nowadays, who knows really. But the general direction of Anonymous seems to have changed since April...

A signature used to be here!

What happened in April

Anon was reborn through blowback. Oldfags (people who have been anons for a long time) were rounded up and vanned by the FBI, to my understanding the FBI has been keeping their computers in pieces since April. When that happened it created a power/experience vacuum. Newer members ended up picking up the reigns who were more brazen as well as inexperienced. This is why there has been more pushing for physical protests since then. Some members were disaffected with the inefficacy and lack of safety with their current system of LOIC attacks and went on to other projects such as anonnews.org, whatistheplan.org, A99, LULZSEC or Anonymous Analytics. This explains why there was such a shift in paradigms, the most experienced members were removed and the group grew so big it had to break into several others.

Hmm,,.

I had heard about that, but I didn't think so many oldfags got rounded up. Figured it was just a handful who weren't being careful. Well, it does explain some things...kind of anyway.

I had heard about Anon breaking up into two groups as well, with each still flying the same flag, so to speak. I know there were/are other 'affiliates' as well but yeah, it's a lot to keep track of. I haven't really kept tabs on those corners of the internet for awhile.

A signature used to be here!

lots of oldfags

were vanned. Not only in the US but in the UK and all over Europe. I had heard rumors of quiet killings in addition to arrests the east, but to my knowledge only Japan has made Anon arrests that could be verified so net rumors were probably a lie.

yes, o.k.--

*mumbling and scratching my head*

I guess I'm more lost than I realized! LOL!

Thank you--though . . . :)

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Weareanonymous

Is an Alex Jones youtube channel. So the now he is anonymous. Anybody can claim to be anonymous. The tricky part is to figure out which groups or people have the expertise to infiltrate and trash systems. Alex Jones as usual want to be the gatekeeper. Just like he did with 911.

hmmm . . .

well, I am getting different opinions and perspectives. I asked for it! :)

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

this goes over my head . . .

or . . . my historical education doesn't embrace this, but it is interesting to read.

I need to study Guy Fawkes, I suppose.

I am wary of blaming one 'bad guy' for all of the world's woes, however--

I do not know who 'anonymous' is--but I clicked on the link about BG--

ghastly stuff--

*shuddering*

I don't respect Druidism, and I know little about it anyway, but I think this would embarrass them--

I think it would embarrass any ancestral philosophy!

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Welcome...Jeff.

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"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves." William Pitt in the House of Commons November 18, 1783
"I have one word for you...predator drones. Oh, you think I'm kidding?" Obombya

Anonymous part of Homeland Security?

Good points. Been wondering myself. Anyone remember back in 2009, when "U.S. seeks hackers to protect cyber networks.
Homeland Security wants someone who can 'think like the bad guy'"?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30280436/ns/technology_and_scien...

What ever happened to this group of hackers?

Actually....

Guy Fawkes Night originates from the Gunpowder Plot of 1605, a failed conspiracy by a group of provincial English Catholics to assassinate the Protestant King James I of England and replace him with a Catholic head of state.

While taken as a single isolated event it doesn't mean a whole lot, but taking into account the vast amounts of data pinning WW2 satanic sacrifice of 18 million souls burned to death by the "invisible hand" of the papacy, we begin to get a picture of why history is being re-written. Even the idea of people being gassed to death in WW2 is a fake historical fact. The difficulties of arranging that sort of death is very difficult with only a couple people let alone hundreds at a time. They were only knocked out, then burned alive.

The Roman Catholic Church is covering up its massive massive crimes through re-education. They want world dominance at any cost

Why go to the expense in building railroad lines? Building prisons in specific places that were more expensive and labor intensive than a number of other locations? Why didn't they just shoot them all and bury them in a big ditch? Why go to all the trouble? Could it have something to do with "ley lines" and harnassing the negative energy of 18 million dying souls into some sort of satanic power center? I wonder.....