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Proposed List Of Demands For Occupy Wall St Movement!

A guy named Lloyd J. Hart proposes a list of DEMANDS the Occupy Wall St. protestors might make, assuming they succeed at, well, I’m not exactly sure what they are trying to accomplish, though I sympathize with the impulse. The demands are listed here. Iam going to take the bait and critique each demand. Please feel free to add to, replace, discuss, debate any and all of my answers, I am crossposting this at libertyguys.org as well, so I will post any good critiques;

"Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending “Freetrade” by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr."

This is actually two or three demands, as far as I can tell. The first demand, a high, protectionist tarriff, has an easy answer – Mr. Smoot, meet Mr. Hawley ( from the US State Department website); “U.S. exports to Europe fell from $2,341 million in 1929 to $784 million in 1932. Overall, world trade declined by some 66% between 1929 and 1934.” Also a $20 minimum wage, which will have the immediate effect of rendering everyone whose marginal revenue product is less than $20 unemployed and unemployable forever, or at least as long as it takes for the stupidity of said law to become grotesquely apparent.

"Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors."

Actually, the only effect medical insurance would have in a completely free market for medical care is that people who have uncertainty about the likelihood of future major medical medical expenses purchase inexpensive catastrophic coverage, and the provider of said coverage makes a profit. Otherwise, everyone else enjoys cheap, freely-available healthcare, unburdened by the awful AMA and FDA.

"Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment."

Extends demand 1A to people who cannot or will not produce a marginal revenue product at all. As if subsidizing unemployment has ever done anything but create more of it.

"Demand four: Free college education."

Already done. You can get the very best college education imaginable completely free ,well, almost. You have to have a computer and an internet connection to access MIT’s entire curriculum for free, on line. Beats the hell out of spending $250,000, and six years at a shitty state school, drinking beer and hooking up, doesn’t it?

"Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand."

Already well underway. The rise in price of fossil fuels (when you tease out Fed inflation) is moving slowly and steadily upward. Or, at least it would be without massive government subsidies to fossil fuel industries such as pollution permits, tax policy, and direct military intervention. Nuclear power has an even worse government subsidy regime. And as for current alternative energy policies, they only serve to subsidize old tech, are economically dubious at best, or, as in the case of Solyndra, ethanol, and other boondoggles cross the line into criminality and fraud.

"Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now."

Again, mostly done. the Obama Stimulus spent, what, $750 billion on exactly that. And as you can see, all of our pressing infrastructure needs are completely resolved.

"Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America’s nuclear power plants."

7a) Give all federal lands back to nature and allow anyone to homestead them. 7b) End the TVA and BPA, here and all other monstrous Federal Dam authorities. 7c) End Price-Anderson, The Department of Energy, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, and all state Public Utility Commissions, and make the contractors who built them and the companies that run them fully liable for any damage to persons or property.

"Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment."

8a) Done, see the 13th amendment. 8b) Tried that, almost passed until women realized what a raw deal it was for them.

"Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live."

Easy enough. End the Drug War and the Welfare state, or at least put a time threshold on collecting benefits, say 5 years. Then an open border would be welfare-neutral. Small side-effect though – immigrants will work you out of a job, kinda neutralizes Demand 1A.

"Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system."

Not sure how this helps, when there is no real choice in US elections, but OK, I’ll give you that one.

"Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the “Books.” World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the “Books.” And I don’t mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period."

11a) Forgiveness of sovereign debt – Well, finally a demand we wholeheartedly agree with! I didn’t consent to any politician running up a debt, I damn sure don’t want me, my children, or my great-great-great-great grandchildren held responsible to pay for Bush’s and Obama’s wars; 11b)Commercial loans already have a forgivenness provision, it’s called BANKRUPTCY; 11c) Ditto for individuals; 11d) I told you you can get a college education for free, why the hell did you take out crushing loans?; 11e) See 11a); 11f) Are you sh!tting me? Letting the BANKS out of their obligations? They have already been bailed out tho the tune of $TRILLIONS. You sound like a corporatist! I assume this was an oversight.

"Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies."

Tough to do, we do have a thing called the First Amendment.

"Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union."

DONE. Any worker can sign any paper at any time now. Oh, you mean then that an employer has to recognize said paper as a legal binding obligation on him under penalty of law! Um, that’s going to be difficult to do. There are a lot of unemployed people already who will not likely favor this idea once it becomes apparent that this will make unemployment worse.

"These demands will create so many jobs it will be completely impossible to fill them without an open borders policy."

A complete non-sequitur, but OK, let’s see how it pans out.

But come on, people, where is the radicalism? Where are the demands to End the Wars, End the Drug War, and End the Federal Reserve? Too busy grabbing socialist loot I guess.

That’s OK – Ron Paul has got you covered.

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That's too bad

I hope this doesn't represent the majority view of people out there. I'd hope they're becoming a little disillusioned by the State. It'd be great to merge momentum with them, but obviously with issues like these it'd be a non-starter.

Ha! Demands: More Loot Please!

In typical fashion, the media

In typical fashion, the media first ignored the protests and have now been trying to marginalize the efforts by either constantly stating that the protestors have no goals or by stating the goals in outlandishly ridiculous fashion, as you see here . To the contrary, there have been a number of General Assemblies and online polls where the people have been voting on which issues are most important and which specific demands rise to the top. This is a lesson in true Democracy, something that we haven’t seen on Capitol Hill in quite some time.

The following list of demands is much closer to the truth, and represents a platform that we should be able to agree with, at least as a starting point. We need to remember that, in order to work together, there must be a starting point. Otherwise, the PTB have succeeded in their mission to divide us.

7 Core Demands from the Occupy Wall Street Movement

1) End the Collusion Between Government and Large Corporations/Banks,
So That Our Elected Leaders Are Actually Representing the Interests of
the People (the 99%) and Not Just Their Rich Donors (the 1%).

2) Investigate Wall Street and Hold Senior Executives Accountable for
the Destruction in Wealth that has Devastated Millions of People.

3) Return the Power of Coining Money to the U.S. Treasury and Return to
Sound Money

4) Limit the Size, Scope and Power of Banks so that None are Ever Again
“Too Big to Fail” and in Need to Taxpayer Bailouts

5) Eliminate “Personhood” Legal Status for Corporations

6) Repeal the Patriot Act, End the War on Drugs and Protect Civil

7) End All Imperial Wars of Aggression, Bring the Troops Home from All
Countries, Cut the Military Budget and Limit The Military Role to
Protection of the Homeland


"Stand up for what you believe in. Even if you stand alone."
~ Sophie Magdalena Scholl
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."
~ Ron Paul
"You must be the change you want to see in the world."
~ Mahatma Gandhi

obviously, this is one,

obviously, this is one, single, solitary person with his own demands. i don't see how one person can wave a magic wand and come up with the collective demands of thousands of protesters. this is about awareness, and hopefully that awareness will lead to something good. most everyone at any angle already knows simply making "demands" to a corporate infested government isn't going to get you very far without raising awareness among the population which in effect accepts its legitimacy.

Oh those Commies...

They no not what they say or do...

Tough set of demands.....

Not much ground to negotiate with that.

Who made this list ?