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Occupy DC Adam Kokesh video should make RP supporters wary of the "Occupy-" protests



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The thing I'm trying to bring

The thing I'm trying to bring out is that many Paul supporters are just as guilty of the same behavior they repeatedly lambast neocons and liberals alike for. It's pure hypocrisy and tarnishes our movement. And, as you can see, calling people out on it isn't very popular either.

But, if we want to sincerely follow Paul's philosophy, then we have to start being honest with ourselves.

Never forget:

To disagree, one doesn't have to be disagreeable.


- Barry Goldwater

Not All

People out there know whats going on. I think Ron Paul Supporters should be out there leading them in the right direction.

That's a good way to get

That's a good way to get hurt. And the marxist leaders will look for a way to specifically get *you* in trouble, while using it for press for them.

They did that constantly through the 60s.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

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These statists youngsters that Adam K interviewed may not be

typical participants at the OccupyDC rally, but Adam did a great job of drawing out their beliefs in allowing government to wield force to get what THEY want.

Here are some of Adam's own thoughtful comments and probing questions.

* What would impeaching Obm accomplish? It would remove a "dangerous violent extremist" from the White House.
* (@ 5:23) "I believe force against another human being is always morally wrong no matter what the excuse. . . Any initiation of force is inevitably detrimental to human happiness."
* (@5:53) "You don't induce maximum corporation (of a wealthy powerful class to maximize social justice)". "Persuasion and peaceful corporation is the only sustainable way to get past these problems with the society today."
* "Why do you support the second term for the most pro-war president?"

Hope to see many more piercing citizen journalism at AdamVStheMan.com.

All the signs I saw on video

All the signs I saw on video were worse.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

I think it comes down to the same old lemming-like

behavior that drives people to vote Democrat or Republican when there's no actual difference between the candidates, or "occupy" a public space because all of your unemployed Facebook buddies are doing it... why, exactly? Well, let's not think too critically about it, shall we.

Ohhh this is big

they have no one there and many fed plants. This could easily be turned into a pro Ron Paul rally.

You can believe that if you

You can believe that if you want, and try to lead if you like, but I doubt that is true. Know your enemy before you go charging in.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

They remind me of some my

They remind me of some my friends around the 08' election, alot of them now are Ron Paul all the way even though they disagree with Ron Paul on some issues. When people learn what the federal reserve is & what the federal reserve does a fire is lit in there minds!

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So dumb its painful

Then educate them.

Then educate them.

Never forget:

To disagree, one doesn't have to be disagreeable.


- Barry Goldwater

But the issue is

that many don't seem to want to be educated. That goes for more than just the OWS protestors, though.

Most of the protestors I talked to seemed convinced that Obama was doing the best he could, that it's all the Republicans' fault, that Capitalism is evil, etc. Most of the people I encountered seemed beyond any help I could give them, honestly.

I'm not saying that others shouldn't try (just be careful), or that everyone there is hopeless (though most seem to be), but really, I feel it's a wasted effort trying to convince 99% of the current protestors that the government is anything but all-knowing and the best thing to ever happen to mankind.

The amount of doublethink displayed by many of them is frightening, and honestly I don't think reasoning with them is going to do much good. They're mostly idealists, and idealists, in my experience, cannot be reasoned with because they think with their hearts, not their minds.

My main concern isn't with the hardcore statists and such though, it's with the on the fence types who're looking for answers and may fall into the "government should oversee everything" spiel. I want to help them, but not at the expense of helping Dr. Paul.

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I want to help them, but not

I want to help them, but not at the expense of helping Dr. Paul.

I don't see why they need be mutually exclusive. If you asked me, I think we're not that much better off than they are.

We have the same kind of people here paralyzed by hatred of the other side and of the very notion of working with them, because they have bought into this left-right, "us-vs-them" paradigm. People like Pow, MaxK, Big T... they all may be strong, fervent Ron Paul supporters, but that's not enough.

I think the problem is we, as a movement, are too easily handicapped by ourselves because we automatically assume that Ron Paul will convert other people the same way he did us. By giving the same speeches, by touting his 30-year record, by keeping this unpolished and raw and borderline eccentric image...

I see the appeal to the already-converted, but I don't see the appeal to everyone else. Just because WE think that these traits make Paul the most authentic politician in Washington, and therefore the best choice for presidency, doesn't mean that everyone places the same kind of value on these things.

Now, at this point, we have had two different opinions on how to deal with this. Either we can ignore them and dismiss them as part of the "lost masses of sheeple" as many people here seem content to do. The second opinion is that Paul should tone down his message and moderate his platform.

But there is a THIRD opinion, which I believe captures the best of both worlds. We don't ignore these people, we don't tone down our message, but we work to emphasize the parts of our message that can get us a foot in the door.

This means little details, attention to the traits that can compensate for Paul's "rough-around-the-edges" look, NEED action.

This means changing some of our rhetoric to clarify things. And yes, this may be an example of moderation, but I do NOT think that it means we are moderating what Paul stands for.

I ALSO don't think that this means we need to lie to people. I simply believe that when it comes to getting more of these people to at least be receptive of Paul, that the best we can do is to plant a seed.

I have a friend that it took 2 years to at least come around to the idea of supporting Paul. He's still a dyed-in-the-wool liberal, and I'm not all the way there yet, but it took TWO YEARS of refining my rhetoric to get him open to the idea.

The Ron Paul movement as a whole is not perfect. We have a small portion of unsavory elements. But because we are still a minority, their numbers are exaggerated and their opinions receive greater traction and less diffusion than it would if we were in the majority.

This is why this concerted effort of "fighting back" really strikes me as juvenile. Fighting back from who I ask? "Fighting back against the media, the establishment, the global conspiracy..."

And how do they mean to do this? Simple. By flooding online polls to give the illusion that Paul's support is bigger than it really is. By taking a hypersensitive approach to everything posted about Paul (I do of course sympathize when an author calls Paul an isolationist instead of a non-interventionist) and trolling message boards and various forums where the "mainstream" politicos congregate.

These things suppress our intellectual gifts and our logical consistency. This is what makes us into a personality cult, and that is the very last thing I think Paul would want us to be.

Never forget:

To disagree, one doesn't have to be disagreeable.


- Barry Goldwater

Education costs, even if they

Education costs, even if they are demanding college tuition should be free..

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

It should be clear what

It should be clear what meaning was intended there.

Never forget:

To disagree, one doesn't have to be disagreeable.


- Barry Goldwater

It all comes down to force of government

These guys just want to use government force to do the things that they want. To them, freedom isn't going to work because they don't think people will do the "right" thing. So they want to use the force of government. This is far from my idea of the freedom movement.

Adam did a great job of making them think. The thinking hurt so much for the young lady that she had to walk away because her brain hurt so much. It's a slow process, but that kind of discussion is how we slowly wake people up and change the nation's thinking.

Tim Maitski
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The left are faux-intellectuals.

They assign themselves the "intellectual" moniker in an attempt to be more influential.

But it is readily apparent, and pointed out by Adam, that they really don't "think", they "react to stimulus by their leftist handlers" to use force of gov't to enslave Americans.

"Thinking" goes beyond their capabilities.

The Left are the reminate liberals who libertarians left behind

back in 1900-1930's --- Liberals fell head over heals in love with Marx & Engles and the few left over liberals who kept their Adam Smith 'Wealth of Nations' books went on to call themselves libertarians. In sum, they are our fellow brothers and sisters, still passionate about political justice, fairness, equality, and freedom.

Unfortunately, untangling those concepts from the pollution of the remaining vague communistic influence upon those words is still a challenge today. To bring them under the libertarian umbrella requires ...

1- Repeated convincing that you CARE about EVERYONE
2- Repeated convincing that you CARE about those concepts of political justice, fairness, equality, and freedom.
3- Repeated mirrored concerns: What do you care about? answer-high cost of education. YOU-- ME TOO!
4- Repeated questions to define the goal or vision of what it would look like, ie. top notch education for a fraction of the cost and open and available to anyone who wants it, young or poor, old or rich, local or worldwide. That is, share a vision.
5--Repeated Answer of the Free Market gives us 1-4 above.

Yes, please BUY this wonderful libertarian BOOK! We all must know the History of Freedom! Buy it today!

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For once I agree with you...

But why is "anti-intellectualism" of the right better than "pseudo-intellectualism" on the left? Just riddle me that one.

Never forget:

To disagree, one doesn't have to be disagreeable.


- Barry Goldwater

I never said it was.

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true words BigT

It takes more than writing "Intellectual" on a piece of wood, and putting it on your desk, to make you a true thinker.