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*update, Elite want to label Occupy movement "Communist" so you stay away. Don't be fooled.

Wow, there seems to be a small hardcore group here who is being a little dishonest. They are advocating the Liberty movement stay away from a massive protest against corporate greed and THE FEDERAL RESERVE. Why? Why would some NOT want you to join forces with other Americans and demand change? How did these individuals NOT know the Occupy movement has been protesting THE FEDERAL RESERVE for WEEKS in other states, long before Alex Jones. Ron Paul supporters have been at these protests educating folks and getting well received, yet some here ignore ALL this and claim this is a "commie" plot. I suggest you watch these folks very closely. Dividing us now is EXACTLY what the 1% needs to break the resistance. This is OUR movement and we need numbers to win. Please watch this new video about Occupy Wall Street.

http://youtu.be/Tj8UlxhfJLw

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They are commie if they attack capitalists and not Congress.

Congress gave Federal Reserve members special privileges and they destroy member's competitors with regulations.

Who forced Congress to borrow $17 Trillion and waste it buying votes and favors?

Government is the culprit and OWS is a clueless misdirection.

Free includes debt-free!

There are a lot of misguided people at OWS events.

I have watched so many videos, and have come to the conclusion that they are angry, but they don't have all the facts, especially the younger activists.

But I guarantee you that this movement will be co-opted by the democrats, unless we get down there and respectfully offer the point of view of Dr. Paul.

Peter Schiff, did a great job engaging the crowd.

I would bet many members of this forum, could do just as well as Peter did.

they are there because Americans have

been abused for generations. It is to be expected. Our job is join the Occupy space with our fellow Americans and take a stand. Occupy is not separate from us. Occupy is an opportunity to come together.

Ron Paul on Occupy Wall Street:
“But I think that the majority of them think government is the problem and taxes are too high and they know that the Federal Reserve plays a role in this, which, of course, is something I agree with.”

OWS Threat & much more

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yzXqR...

This week Max Keiser and co-host, Stacy Herbert, talk about the European penny drops as more banks need more bailouts while the public debt clock ticks up to $40 trillion. In the second half of the show, Max Keiser interviews Michael Betancourt about the threat that Occupy Wall Street presents to our modern form of capitalism that relies on ignorance and passivity in the population in order to operate schemes of fraud and bubbles.

OWS Not Commie, but definitely Socialist here

I gave our local OWS a chance by attending multiple meetings and even camping out only to find it's a 80/19 split of less than knowledgeable socialists and anarchists with maybe one or two "End the Fed" bright bulbs in the mix.

There are OWS chapters out there that have a heavy libertarian presence, just not near me so I'm putting the bulk of my focus into our local RP2012 chapter.

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Occupy is really about space

and providing a place for discussion. You should fill that space with your presence and information. More will come.

Ron Paul on Occupy Wall Street:
“But I think that the majority of them think government is the problem and taxes are too high and they know that the Federal Reserve plays a role in this, which, of course, is something I agree with.”

My Time (as an investment) is valuable

Looking at it from a cost/benefit analysis, time spent with my local OWS chapter will have smaller yields in promoting Liberty and End The Fed versus going other routes I'm currently pursuing.

Especially considering that other routes will trickle back to OWS through local discussion.

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list of grievances

Here is a link to the list of grievances...

https://sites.google.com/site/the99percentdeclaration/

Here is Denninger's analysis of the document...

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=196201

Their list should be four or five demands such as:

Bring all the troops home from everywhere (Foriegn policy)
Shutdown the Fed and return the issuance of currency to the Treasury (Monetary policy)
Trade policy
Immigration policy

Then we would have something to unite around.There are some things on the list I can get behind but nowhere in their list is their a desire to shut down the Fed. It is a Progressive era institution. Know your history.

I don't blame you for getting excited. Things are so bad that people are looking for answers. They claim to be nonpartisan but their list suggests otherwise.

that is NOT an official declaration. Occupy has no leadership.

You have an opportunity to meet with your fellow Americans and discuss solutions, etc or you can stay on the internet and watch your country continue to start wars and get taken over. Occupy has created a moment. Occupy has created a space. NOW you must get involved and help shape the solutions or as the owner of this website put it, "you can sit here and jack off together on the DailyPaul". Stop looking for excuses not to get involved and help.

Ron Paul on Occupy Wall Street:
“But I think that the majority of them think government is the problem and taxes are too high and they know that the Federal Reserve plays a role in this, which, of course, is something I agree with.”

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I for one thank you for your

continued efforts to educate OWS and to open better dialogue between the protesters and the Liberty movement. I wish you all success. It is an opportunity many of us who can't get to an OWS event to help educate diverse, confused protesters are sorry to miss.

thank you reed,

I understand some can't get to events. I find it repugnant that some here on the DP have made a choice based on internet videos and neocon propaganda. I have talked with some of these Americans at Occupy. They are good people and they simply want there to be a discussion. They have taken a stand and they want our input. They are us. Americans.

Ron Paul on Occupy Wall Street:
“But I think that the majority of them think government is the problem and taxes are too high and they know that the Federal Reserve plays a role in this, which, of course, is something I agree with.”

Sorry to disappoint

I believe it is an official declaration I'm sorry to say. Just because you say it's not does not make it so.

You must be a woman...

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I accidentally pushed the up arrow instead

of the down on your statement. Your beliefs are not really the issue, and your negative reference to women is uncalled for.

no Clint I'm not a woman and

you are not very bright. There are many bs Occupy websites. The name of the game is to divide and conquer. They are counting on zombies to pick up the "commie" nonsense and break the movement. Same thing they did with Ron Paul's Tea party. Label it racist and full of militias and watch it break up. Pathetic. If this works again, America deserves everything it gets.

Ron Paul on Occupy Wall Street:
“But I think that the majority of them think government is the problem and taxes are too high and they know that the Federal Reserve plays a role in this, which, of course, is something I agree with.”

Be Careful

I have tried to be patient and understanding with you. You talk a lot of smack... I assure you, if you were in front of my face you would not be so bold.

It is you who is exposing themselves as incompetent. Do not tell people what to do. Make a sound, intelligent argument and leave it at that. I have presented you with proof of the Movement's Marxist tendencies and all you come back with are dictates and insults.

ah Clint baby, I'm a veteran and I

currently fight in amateur mma events at 205lbs, so I assure you, Clint, I would be very bold if I was in front your face. I can guarantee that, Clint. You have provided nothing but NeoCon propaganda. I have been to Occupy and have enormous respect for the brave Americans holding that space. They are on the front-lines of this Revolution. You are not.

Ron Paul on Occupy Wall Street:
“But I think that the majority of them think government is the problem and taxes are too high and they know that the Federal Reserve plays a role in this, which, of course, is something I agree with.”

lol internet tough guy

Seriously, STFU. You've done NOTHING besides harp on people and demand that they to go to OWS, and berate and insult anyone who dares to disagree with you.

Many people do not want to get involved with OWS for various reasons, but mostly because the Occupy movement is filled with whiny, uninformed, demanding twits much like yourself.

I'm not even going to pretend to be civil with you anymore, because there's no getting through that thick, yet empty skull of yours. You're here for no other reason than to order people around and you piss and moan whenever someone isn't in lockstep with your delusional view of OWS.

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oh, I'm also a real tough guy. I promise. Guess that's why

I'm still here exposing your ignorance. Makes sense. I was attacked by the same handful of zombies here that attack others. You are one, three or four others. That's it. You attack people, belittle them, call them commies, etc. Most leave the DailyPaul. Not me. Your behavior is a cancer in the Liberty movement. Exposing it, helps correct it and allows others that visit the DP to see that most of the members here disagree with you and your little gang. Even Mike, the owner of this website, has asked you to stop labeling Occupy "communist" and to stop discouraging people from attending. It is counterproductive and hurts our movement. You disregard his request and you continue to attack members. Your behavior is disgusting and a weakness in the Liberty Movement.

Ron Paul on Occupy Wall Street:
“But I think that the majority of them think government is the problem and taxes are too high and they know that the Federal Reserve plays a role in this, which, of course, is something I agree with.”

Douche Bag

It has been my experience that those who run their mouths are pussies. You are no different.

No one is attacking you in this thread. They are simply disagreeing with you.

You don't seem to know many libertarians... we don't like being told what to do.

Clint, sweetheart, I have been called a "commie"

since I posted this thread and others. I was attacked immediately. It's disgusting behavior and a stain on the Liberty movement. I suspect some here are really tea party neocons stalking the DP. Oh and Clint, I smell insecurity in your posts. Like a little, scared child. I didn't mean to scare or upset you. I want you to emerge from under the bed and join us. You seem to be at a special turning point. I encourage you to make the transition from boy to man. I will help you. Peace brother.

Ron Paul on Occupy Wall Street:
“But I think that the majority of them think government is the problem and taxes are too high and they know that the Federal Reserve plays a role in this, which, of course, is something I agree with.”

Innocence lost

Ooooh, you were called a commie. Gosh, that's horrible. You embody everything that is wrong with the youth at these rallies. Little know-it-alls who actually believe that this movement is organic and does not have benefactors and organizers. How do you think the whole thing came to be in the first place?

You then come on here and demand that we support you and your cause. When presented with documents that back up our assertions, you conveniently disregard them like a stubborn child and refer to us as neo-cons, which is quite amusing.

It is the youth like you that lead me to believe that our country is doomed. You have no idea what you are talking about, yet you believe you have all the answers. This is very dangerous and disconcerting.

I realize this is your first rodeo which is why I am sympathetic to your naivete. Time will prove me right as this sort of thing has occurred throughout history many times.

One day when you grow up and have completely lost your innocence you will come to realize the fool that you have been and you will learn from it... well, one can only hope.

In the mean time, continue to beat your toy drum.

this former Army Sgt. thinks your

diaper is full again, Clint. Change it and get back to us. The big boys have a Revolution that needs some attention.

Ron Paul on Occupy Wall Street:
“But I think that the majority of them think government is the problem and taxes are too high and they know that the Federal Reserve plays a role in this, which, of course, is something I agree with.”

If being a mouthpiece of OWS is one of your two jobs

I suggest you tell your boss to send someone else who can at least make a point such as socialism is superior to capitalism, or do a better job pretending to be libertarian.

I don't want to offend you, but normally people with 2 jobs don't have so much time on internet.

that's your comment? Americans are sleeping

on concrete and facing rain and cold weather in an effort to bring public focus on the corruption in the system you live under and this inspires you to attack me? You have NO idea how significant and courageous their actions are. These Americans have done this for you. Not Obama, not marx. You. Yes, I find this really important and when I have a day off, especially since I was just at Occupy Wall Street, I will write about it. I also recognize the obvious and sophisticated effort to divide Americans once again. I experienced what they did to Ron Paul's Tea Party. It broke my heart and I watched as it was destroyed by lies and false stories. I had to listen as friends recited what they heard on TV and the reasons why they couldn't support a racist Ron Paul, etc, etc, etc. The Revolution has started. There are Americans in the field suffering for you and facing severe consequences. Stop degrading them and help.

Ron Paul on Occupy Wall Street:
“But I think that the majority of them think government is the problem and taxes are too high and they know that the Federal Reserve plays a role in this, which, of course, is something I agree with.”

Your inspirational rally speech doesn't work here

Learnt from your comrades?

Sorry, no hothead teenagers here.

I, as one stay behind computer, only respect facts and logic. Not misleading rhetoric.

Guess it is better for you to spend your time elsewhere.

Occupy Pros & Cons

Just trying to get a better grasp on what's going on here by condensing it down to it' basics. I guess this is gest of what I hear the posters on this thread saying:

PROS
We are supposed to go there to educate, convert and gain numbers.

CONS
OWS is a diverse group but composed of many kinds of people but many their are very to hard to reach and some are actually insiders.

I know this isn't the whole deal but I think this is the main divide? If this is the case, then what's the remedy?

The way I feel about it is, do what you believe you should be doing. If you think this is what you're supposed to do, then do it, if not don't. I know it's not all bad, I've seen some very good videos come out of this.

Because: Some animals are more equal than other animals. -Animal Farm-

What the? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MTIwY3_-ks

Occupy is

simply Americans that have occupied a space as a symbolic gesture. An action that has let the ruling class know we recognize the massive fraud and corruption in the system they were hired to operate. Now we have a "space" to openly meet and discuss solutions to the problem. We are doing this in the open to show our courage and commitment. Like Mike said, it is an open vessel and now is not the time to be shy or a coward. They/we are holding this space and there may be severe consequences for those at the protest sites. Don't let this opportunity go to waste. Help.

Ron Paul on Occupy Wall Street:
“But I think that the majority of them think government is the problem and taxes are too high and they know that the Federal Reserve plays a role in this, which, of course, is something I agree with.”

Occupy is simply an opportunity. Mike was right.

He owns this website and his credibility is extremely solid.

"The protests are empty vessels
Submitted by Michael Nystrom on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 00:01.

Like the GOP and the tea party. It depends on what you fill them with.

Whoever says they're communist operations and stay away - stand down.

These are the masses. Like it or not, these are the people we need to convert.

You think we're going to win by jacking off together here at the Daily Paul? Get real.

The movement needs to EXPAND. Go forth and multiply.

Check back here ONLY to let us know what works, then keep doing it."
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Ron Paul on Occupy Wall Street:
“But I think that the majority of them think government is the problem and taxes are too high and they know that the Federal Reserve plays a role in this, which, of course, is something I agree with.”

here you go

I think I found the perfect theme song for OWS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in8MuHJCXdI

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Here is my take. I have read

Here is my take. I have read MANY experiences and seen footage of this OWS movement and I am very dismayed. In my day we had peaceful demonstrations and we were beaten, arrested, and ultimately SHOT and KILLED, and we never even demonstrated for more than a few days. I do not understand why this sudden "change of heart" for these people. We always had flowers and promoted love. These people do not. We were against an illegal war, and these people are not. There is something inscrutable about this demonstration. There is something sinister behind the scenes. That is all I can say.