Fox has a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to exclude Paul
Submitted by Devon on Sat, 12/29/2007 - 11:06Remember that Fox is a private organization. In the U.S. private organizations have a right to free speech and free assembly on the their own property. Some of you have been claiming that this is "censorship." It's not censorship. This is the opposite. This is Fox's freedom of speech. Censorship is when the government prevents speech. In addition Fox has private property rights. Any private organization, in a free society, retains the right to include or exclude anyone from their private property and assemblies for any reason it chooses - even Dr. Paul. That's part of what libertarianism is all about.
So, protest that Fox is being irrational or are not as "fair and balanced" as they claim to be, or contact advertisers, but be respectful of the right of free speech and free assembly. Above all, don't cause a disruption in the debate hall itself to prevent the speakers that are there from talking. To disrupt it through shouting, for example, is the kind of thing that the far left is notorious for doing - because they don't respect or understand free speech. Don't descend to their level.
Descend to their level???
I am wondering just how low their level gets. I say we have been far to nice for far to long. I guess you want nice all the way to the camps. Maybe the supporters should stand out front and sing kumbylah or something. I hope thousands show up. I may be one of them. Lets all face it, we are no longer living in the land of the free. Its time to fight. Before HR1955 and S1959 goes into effect.
the fcc
is just as currupt as fox. i think fcc stands for
fascist controled communications.they wont help us.
Partially correct
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It is still possible to block a station's license renewal. Doesn't work for cable, but it does for the airwaves.
http://www.fcc.gov/mb/video/renewal.html
There have been some
good post on the FCC. If I remember what I learned in broadcast school. Fox could very well be in violation of equal time laws. Seeing that Fox is going to be broadcasting the forum and Ron is a viable candidate, this is in clear violation of FCC law. I will be calling the FCC on Monday morning to check this out. I will keep everyone posted on this matter.
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ABSOLUTELY DISAGREE!
The CONSTITUTION is for the RIGHTS OF THE PEOPLE, not the RIGHTS OF THE CORPORATION. A news organization that reports on the political situations of this country does NOT HAVE THE RIGHT to manipulate the people. NEWS should not be a "For Profit" organization but the founding fathers never faced this kind of a fight.
It's the "We the PEOPLE" for the people / by the people thing that kind'a gives it away. Its not "WE THE MEDIA - FOR THE MEDIA".
Freedom of speech is a protection for the INDIVIDUAL. Not people who report "news" and certainly not for ELECTED OFFICIALS (ie Bush or War Generals).
LIES and YELLOW JOURNALISM are also not covered under "FREEDOM OF SPEECH".
"The media has a right to be
"The media has a right to be biased"
-Ron Paul
Just like I can set up a podcast right now--call it the Djskiefer Show-and spin the news how I like. As long as it's not slander or threats. I can also exclude any presidential candidate from coming on my show.
If you don't like my show, don't watch me, boycott me, or make your own show.
The information age--modern democracy--will prevail.
i dont want ron paul on the debate now
that would be a trap because you know they would try to tear him apart or worse, ignore him throughout the entire debate. fox did thier damage so we should do ours, and say to hell with them from here on out. boycott, sell thier stock, tell thier advertisers, all good ideas. but here is another good one. the revolution is famous for all the signs we put up in the dark of night . well we can put up signs the same way everywhere against fox. put signs on your car saying "boycott foxnews!", "foxnews is a joke dont believe their propaganda!" "help us shut down foxnews! dont watch it!" this wont kill them overnight, but over time it will hurt them bad.like i said the damage is done, now its our turn. we dont need them. this will make the other news outlets think before they pull crap like this too.
FEC equal time requirements?
Doesn't this violate the FEC laws requiring that media outlets provide equal time to all viable candidates?
Yes, it is a private company...
but I believe this should fall under public domain. This is not an internal company concern but a public one that does effect the future of the people of this nation!!!
I agree.
It is their right to censor Paul (which is what they are doing) however like you said hit them where it hurts. Corporate media is interested in one thing and one thing only... Dollars! Dump their stock, notify their affiliates that you will be boycotting any company who advertises with Fox, and send them emails indicating your displeasure and disgust, but DO NOT harass them. Do not disrupt their event, do not stoop to their levels. Lets just throw a better event next door.
Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.
-- John Quincy Adams
Fox is reacting because they are scared bullies!
Bullies always get scared when those they consider weak stand up to them and hit back! Bullies are always cowards underneath.
But why are we so overtaken by Fox not inviting Ron Paul. So what? The hell with Fox.
Just make sure you don't have any of their stock directly or in some mutual fund. Dump it. Get rid of it! Don't support it. Don't watch Fox. I don't see the point. They are an opinion type news, they manipulate the news, always have. They don't do any true journalism. None of them do but Fox goes beyond any standard of decency. They are 100% New World Order, Big Oil, Big Bankers, neo-con mouthpiece!
JB
"You take the blue pill and the story ends. You wake in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill and you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes. -- all I am offering is the truth, nothing more."
Fox is not a private
Fox is not a private organization it is a public one. Check your facts before posting.
HUH?
Do you mean publicly traded?
The stock belongs to private shareholders,
It is their decision, unless Murdoch owns majority shares.
They are a broadcast Outlet ..
Last time I checked that implied that they had to file regularly with the FCC in regards to what PUBLIC services they were fullfilling.
Usualy some effort at keeping the public informed would suffice.
However with Fox, this becomes questionable ... but as they are a cable outlet and not an airwaves media I think it gets even hazier.
If they pass a radio signal through my person than they better have a good reason.
If however the signal travels over a cable wire ... well, I think none of this applies in the same way that the pervert channel skirts the pornography laws. Faux news is basicaly pornographic.
Don't look to the FCC for help.
They won't let us see Janet Jakson's fake titty, let alone Dr. Paul's revolutionary ideas.
Devon is Right, However
It is very interesting to remember the original intent of Fox was
It was a culmination of INDEPENDENT broadcasters across the nation.
Now it is a conglomerate of formerly independently owned stations.
And What of Our Rights?
We have the right to sell their stock, boycott their advertisers, and block them off our cable channels. No one is suggesting violence against Fox. No one is suggesting government intervention. The right to "buy something" or "not buy something" is at the core of free-market thinking.
I for one am done with the pompous windbags and pro-torture deviants that populate that company. Let them rot in obscurity and let any company that seeks to do business with me know that I insist they not do business with Fox.
Vote with your dollars too.
Announce your displeasure with civility then BOYCOTT!
Here is the letter i sent to:
yourcomments@foxnews.com
Please be informed that I will be participating in a complete boycott of Newscorp, its subsidiary companies, and any advertisers should Dr. Ron Paul be excluded from the NH forum.
I, as well as my compatriots of the Ron Paul rEVOLution will also urge our families, friends, and associates to dump Newscorp stock and do all in our power to affect the value of your organization. We are watching (for now) and you are in our sights. Welcome to the revolution!
Faux news and "freedom of the press"
Freedom of the press is not supposed to include the freedom to lie. By excluding Dr Paul they are lying by omission. I think that it is also stealing. I pay for Cable service, so indirectly I pay for Faux news. BY lying to me, they are stealing the truth. I think that boycotting advertisers is great, but there is more to be done. Complain to the FCC. Be polite, but point out that they are not serving the public interest by censoring candidates for office. This is an important criteria when broadcast license renewal time rolls around. The other thing is to hit them in the ratings. Don't watch any News Corp owned stations. Google news corp and see what media they own where ever you are. They own many TV stations, many cable stations, publishing houses etc. If we boycott them all, that will hurt them. Advertising revenue is charged based on ratings. If we lower the ratings, we hurt their revenues. None of this will matter Jan 6th, but we might be able to prevent it from happening again. Lastly, GET OUT AND VOTE/Caucus or whatever. The best revenge will simply be WINNING!!!!!!!
And we have a constitutional right to tell them where to go!
:-)
Ahhh, the wonderful FCC. We
Ahhh, the wonderful FCC. We dealt with this last year in the gubernatorial campaign I was involved with.
I called the FCC and was told that debates are considered "On the spot" news events.
Read section 315 of the Communications Act it's on page 167:
http://www.fcc.gov/Reports/1934new.pdf
Also check this out in regards to the way the FCC does as it wishes:
http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/E/htmlE/equaltimeru/equalt...
And this:
http://www.rtnda.org/pages/media_items/legal-notes-bona-fide...
Here's an idea. Everyone in
Here's an idea. Everyone in the audience take off their shirts at the same time. LMAO!
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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore
People have constitutional rights, corporations don't.
Corporations owe their existence to government. It is a priviledge and not a right to be a corporation. Corporations have no inherent rights except those granted by "We the people". It was the 14th amendment that has been used to give corporations personhood and now because of corrupt judges have great influence over the government and freedom of information.
This post is 100% wrong and shows no understanding of history and constitutional law. Corporations are granted the right to exist by the government. The government is granted the right to exist by the people.
The people have all the rights, corporations only have those rights we give them.
UGGGG! People Have NATURAL Rights!
The Constitution is an enumeration of powers for the Federal Government. The Constitution doesn't grant rights! Nobody has "Constitutional Rights" -- that's a misnomer.
No. I can form a
No. I can form a corporation right now in my back yard.
"The media has a right to be biased"
-Ron Paul
Fox does not own the college, do they?
Fox property rights do not apply when they are on the College property.
glmeadors
Good point!
Anyone know?
RP FOX censorship
the NWO/murdoch controls many if not all major media outlets in world.. but... that will not stop me from emailing them....great idea..
randy n.
And We Have a CONSITUTIONAL RIGHT to Protest & Boycott
Both of which I intend to do.
And if I held any Newscorp stock, I'd dump it.
Paleoconservative
Fox News
You are correct, Fox News has a right to invite whom ever they wish to their debate, but they don't have a right to a broadcast license. The FCC issues broadcast licenses for the purpose of "serving the public". I don't think excluding a legitimate candidate, the most popular candidate on the Internet, the candidate who raises more than any other candidate, serving the public.
When Fox News relinquishes their broadcast license to the FCC, they can promote whatever causes they wish. As long as they have that license, they cannot censor views they disagree with.
FCC, please take note. I am protesting Fox News' broadcast license. I am saying that they are not serving the public. They are promoting the views of the Council on Foreign Relations.