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You will not do very well at the OWS protests running out the gate yelling Ron Paul, Ron Paul!

He is already labeled a republican, obviously not by choice but by the false left right paradigm. If you want to make headway and actually unite the message, remember it is the message that is most important, not Ron Paul, someday he won't be here just like the rest of us, and I hope we are going long haul here. Ron Paul does not want us to just be free for as long as he is alive.
When you go to these protests don't even mention Ron Paul at first, most people don't understand why a libertarian has to run as a republican, so don't even go Ron Paul until they understand both sides are owned. You need to go in with a sign that says..."Republicans and democrats are both liars!!!" follow it up underneath with a good old "Obama is owned just like Bush!!!". Or, you could go with, "To hell with the republicans and democrats, I am an American!!!". Things along those lines will create a unity, because you are not labeling yourself right off the rip. If you say you support Ron Paul right off the rip, just go home. No labels, no division, no names, just the entire system of corruption.
We know how to do this by now everyone, unless you are relatively new. If we want to change this country for the better, drop the labels, it was not republicans or democrats that made this country, it was Americans. Common ground is Ron Paul, but these people don't know it yet. Ron Paul would never want to shut down a bank if the free market gained that bank it's wealth. People can get wealthy in a free market, but that free market also allows for people who do not wish to become wealthy to gain at least a self sufficient life.
The key is breaking the left and right paradigm, don't we get it. The democrat leaders are swooping in to own it, and the republicans are swooping in to make sure it stays democrat by saying it is socialists, so woolah, if it ends how the elites want, they just created a tea party versus a occupy wall street party, same parties, just different names, is that the goal any of us are hoping for? We fight a system based on a two party system just to create a two party system with different names then the ones we just had. That would be quite dumb.

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I live in an area solidly dominated by

Leftists, and most of my acquaintances are fully brainwashed.

I stick to principles, explaining how those play out in real examples: Empire wars, federal corruption and elite bedfellows; the coercion underlying "Progressive" policies; undermine their faith that BigGov will give them goodies without strings of tyranny and violence; use respected Left sources for credibility, when they make valid points.

I openly identify myself as libertarian and, when openings arise, mention Ron Paul's policies of peace and freedom for consistent, long term beneficent solutions. Few approached this way put up much defense, though their knee jerk reaction often is willful suspension of reason in order to keep their BigGov faith. But these are people I see over time; in a new crowd, each RP supporter must judge opportunities and follow his/her own style. The main thing is to try not to make it easy for them to dismiss you as a simple-minded partisan.

There were some Ron Paul supporters on globalrevolution chat

last night. This is the live stream broadcast from Occupy Wall Street.

And others were quick to request the moderators not to allow Ron Paul to "co-opt the movement".

As in many instances when prople begin to talk about taboo subject the moderator shut down the chat board temporarily and asked that people refrain from talking about politics, race, beliefs, religion etc. etc. - then it was started again.

Apparently all you are allowed to do on that chat board is say "hey protests we love you!". Anything beyond that is controversial.

Well, it looks like that settles

the claims that "it's not organized", and "it has no leaders", eh?

There doesn't seem to be any limit on leftist discussion going on at OWS.

people should not identity

people should not identity with anything except the truth.

this is the problem with 98% of people. they think they are a this or a that, and therefore they do this or that. well they are wrong. they think they ARE a Republican if they vote for Ron Paul.

Well guess what. Democrats are responsible for the Fed (Republican Taft opposed it), WW1 and WW2, both scams, Vietnam and Korea. So ya, in fact the democrats are much more the party of tyranny anyways.

Who is yelling?

All I plan to do is go talk to people. I see no harm in that..

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

Well, P

you know some of us can get overexcited about Ron Paul from time to time. Let's convey the message and then hand them the prize. Let us know how it goes at whatever ralley you go to, feedback is always nice to gauge how it is going. Keep up the great work!!!!

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

That's why I will not be there

I heard Alex Jones say we need to occupy the occupiers.

Maybe he is right, but I see nothing wrong with letting them (the Marxist types that started this occupation) assemble and express their right to speech, even if I think they are ignorant.

I'm all for educating ignorance but in most cases it appears I'm dealing with some head strong Marxist here. My experience debating these types is a lot of time and effort that usually end with both parties agreeing to disagree. I do think I have left debates challenging their views leaving them thinking :D, and me leaving making sure I got my facts straight, and that's very positive. It is, however, a lot of precious time that usually results back where I started, or everyone having same ideology prior to the debate. This is certainty not always the case and if you can educate them, go for it!

I see some people getting all excited over who's movement this is as far as OWS. The fact is they (most in the OWS crowd) have their mind made up and do not appear open minded.

I have yet to decide if I want to go occupying occupiers, if I do I'll be wearing an End The Fed shirt, and have my Ron Paul sign. Ron Paul is needed to occupy Washington and has been trying to make change for over 30 years. He would be the first man I mention.

I see going to OWS analogues the OWS crowd coming to an END THE FED Rally. It's cool, and they are welcome to come from my perspective but they would be occupying and I think out of place.

I have to admit I have not been following this very close, but I am starting to pay attention as it seems I have to since I'm against the Federal Reserve system. I suppose that it is possible to make progress since there is overlap in the problems seen by OWS crowd and Free Market Types, but the solutions are polar opposites.

I am going watch this unfold more, as it is interesting, and I applaud anyone trying to educate OWS. I just don't feel like because I'm against central banking and the corporate oligarchs that I am going to get herded to to go join these people, or occupy the occupiers.

I lean towards distancing myself from OWS.

The Occupy Movement includes Ron Paul supporters, has

from the beginning. It is not a "communist" movement, not even close. That is the NeoCon Republican garbage being spewed by the same traitors that ruined Ron Paul's Tea Party. They want to keep Americans divided. Alex Jones has called the Occupy Movement "good people", if he can add to the movement, great. There is no leader, he will just be another angry American.

Ron Paul on Occupy Wall Street:
“But I think that the majority of them think government is the problem and taxes are too high and they know that the Federal Reserve plays a role in this, which, of course, is something I agree with.”

A Central Bank is in the

A Central Bank is in the Communist manifesto. if you support a central bank then you are a communist. no doubt about it.

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That kind of rigid labeling may make you

feel superior, but it wins no converts. Most people accept a central bank because the media, schools, their representatives all tell them it is necessary for modern economies. Not because they are communists personally, just because they've been duped by the status quo.

All I have seen are you tube videos

All I have seen are you tube videos from various post. I agree most folks down there are good people.

I wonder if the goal of neo-cons is to get Liberty supporters involved and use the Marxist footage and Ron Paul footage together to help swing primaries to zombie audiences.

Do you have a resource or another post worth a read as I admit I have been ignoring OWS for the most part.

It may be best to go get involved with people showing support in a common situation and debate the cause and solutions, rather than not participate. I encourage you to educate folks down there if you think you can make a difference.

It may not be the best tactic in the opinion of the original post to introduce Ron Paul, as in start with Ron Paul. If I ever decide to occupy the occupiers (LOL) I'll represent Ron Paul and Competing Currency Bills he has introduced to congress and Audit the Fed efforts. That's what it is all about in my opinion, and the OP implies not to introduce the man that has been tireless working with HR-1207, HR-4228, and more.

I will watch this unfold some more, but it is nice to see people exercising their right to assemble.

All the best, --3D

The Legions of Anonymous

This is the wonderful thing about these protests. Yes, I know large numbers of people in them have absurdly distorted understandings of economics. THAT IS NOT THEIR FAULT. It is all they have known.

But the underlying philosophy of the movement is very libertarian.

There is no offical spokesman, but anyone can speak. There are to be no divisions in the streets. No black or white, rich or poor, red or blue, young or old, worker or boss; only the 99% and the 1%. The 1% owns the banks, runs the government, and grow ever-more-obscenely wealthy by the day, while the 99% are converted into serfs. We are the 99%. We have to unite, because the game is divide and conquer.

The Paul-Kucinich compromise is to end the wars, and use half the money saved to cut spending. The OTHER half gets redirected to support social security, medicaid, and other domestic spending. Libertarians and progressives both get exactly what they want in the short run.

This is the foundation we can all agree on, come together on. What comes next can be dealt with later - AFTER the Revolution.

In the long run, they want to keep those programs, and we want to phase them out in favour of private programs that will function more efficiently. That's an argument we will have plenty of time for AFTER we get the neo-cons out of office, and our young people safely home.

Anyway, have you ever seen V for Vendetta? Many of the young people who started this and help sustain it are big fans of the movie. And if you havent seen it I would highly recommend you do.

I like the V movie.

Yeah the 1st moneybomb was inspired by that movie. It was the 5th of november, the 2nd mb was 16th of december tea party commemoration in 2007 when Ron Paul raised what 4 million for 5th and broke 6 million on 16th.

Cool movie BTW.

I agree completely.

Have faith in the message. This is what won me over. There are no other candidates that even come close to Ron Paul. By being there, acting calm and reminding them of the Fed and the importance of peace and civil liberties they will see Paul's message personified. Have faith.

Ron Paul on Occupy Wall Street:
“But I think that the majority of them think government is the problem and taxes are too high and they know that the Federal Reserve plays a role in this, which, of course, is something I agree with.”

Anyone else remember "It's not the man, it's the message?"

Time to walk that talk. Go be yourself. Speak proudly about what you believe, but OWN IT. Do not try to insert Ron Paul's hand up your butt and be his puppet, you will get no credibility with anyone, even other RP supporters. If you do this right, people will be dazzled by your knowledge of the problem and the fact you have actual ideas for solutions. When they start asking you where you get your information, then something like "Oh, the dailypaul.com" is a nice, nonthreatening way to slip the doctor's name in.

These folks are FED UP. They do not believe in politicians or politics any more. Using "Hey, this politician is different" as your opening line is a recipe for immediate failure.
Tog, thanks so much for posting this excellent advice / observation.

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.

No thanks needed fishy

you have been doing a great job at enlightening the discussion on this subject with the same approach I have towards it. Are we afraid to try and unite with half of the country? We can educate these people, they are sponges waiting for information!!!! Keep up the great work fishy!!!!

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

well said

Keep to the issues, end the fed and corporatism, end the wars.
if possible use your time to do canvassing and educating probable Republican voters in your areas. that will help in Primaries. OWS can be educated once RP gets the repub nomination.

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Dr.Ron Paul's 2002 Predictions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

Exactly right

I am going on Sunday to the OWS

I am attending the OWS for the first time this Sunday as a Ron Paul supporter. I am going with a couple hardcore lefties. We are all anti-war, anti-police state, anti-empire etc... I am making my signage tomorrow. My first sign will say
"END THE FED TO END THE WARS" on one side and
"DEFUND EMPIRE, OCCUPY AMERICA" or something like that on the other side. I will have Ron Pauls 2012 written in smaller letters or maybe wear a button. I think people at the events will be very receptive to Ron and maybe this is a good chance at advertising for him. The key is to find common ground and appeal to the common issues that almost everybody at the place will agree with. Obviously you don't want to hand out slim jims that talk about abortion and getting rid of the DOE etc.... I think the anti-war stance is enough to lure some liberals into converting into Ron Paul supporters. After all that is how I became a Ron Paul supporter, I read his stuff on Anti-war.com and became hooked completely. By the time I figured out he was a Republican I was already completely hooked to Ron's philosophy. Obama's decision to move agaist legal weed dispensaries in California will definately ripen some lefties for the picking, I think this might be a last straw issue for many, many people.

-A former liberal for Ron Paul.

They will realize when they meet YOU

how much they have in common with YOU. Our message is solid.

Ron Paul on Occupy Wall Street:
“But I think that the majority of them think government is the problem and taxes are too high and they know that the Federal Reserve plays a role in this, which, of course, is something I agree with.”

I think we should

just let people do what they want to do. Not that I don't agree with you, but if people feel they want to campaign for Paul at OWS then it's their prerogative. I don't think we should be campaigning at all at OWS and focus the protest toward the Federal Reserve & our gov't corporatism.

Ya, they are gonna do what

Ya, they are gonna do what they want to do anyway, but the OP has an excellent point. Our time is short for some of these states, now. We have to wake them up FAST, and u do not even come close to that by yelling RP< RP..u have to get their eyes open FIRST.

Weekends

are always slow.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

Testing,testing 123,

still not posting, is it because of self bumping, I will check now in case I am late to the party.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

Not posting

kind of strange.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

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If you are saying you notice a lag between

the time you post an item and the time it shows on the active forum, I've had the same experience in the past week. Something has changed in the way posts work.

and now I am freaked out

slightly.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!